How Did it Come to This? (Part 2)

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HOW DID IT COME TO THIS? (PART 2)

INTRODUCTION

In part 1 (http//www.free-minds.org/articles/history/ayman1.htm ) we saw that billions of sectarian Muslims across generations idolize the symbols of the Arab pagan goddess Allat and perform rituals that are meant for celebrating the rebirth of the fertility idol. In this part 2, we will be looking at a possible explanation from the great reading itself of how this (and all such lies) happened. When I started writing this article, it was solely about the location of where the great reading was originally revealed and exposing the sectarians' pagan rituals and symbols. As The God helped me progress, I realized that "what happened" or "where it happened" is not as important as fundamentally "how it happened". I am writing this introduction about half way through Part 2 and there are some unanswered issues still remaining. I would venture to say that, even at this stage, I feel that the findings here are far more important than Part 1. It is as if through the billions of sectarian Muslims who committed unforgivable idolatry, The God somehow provides guidance to us.

WHAT IS ALLAT?

Let's look in the great reading for answers. Since as we saw, the symbols and rituals are connected with the idol Allat, let's find out what information we are given about her in the great reading. In chapter 53 we hear about the belief of the pagans in Allat, Aluzza and Manat

5319-28.
Have you seen Allat and Aluzza and Manat, the third one?
Do you have the male and He has the female? This is a false division.
These are but names that you and your forefathers named. The God never authorized such. They follow conjecture and what the selves fantasize, while the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
Or will the human have what he wishes for?
To The God are the ending and the beginning and how many controllers in the heavens their intercession doesn't benefit anything except after The God permits for whom He wills and approves.
Those who don't have faith in the ending have named the controllers feminine names and they had no knowledge about this. They only follow conjecture and conjecture doesn't benefit anything of the truth.

From the above passage, we can see that those who believed in Allat and her consorts thought that they were controllers ("malaika"). We know from archeological evidence that Allat was a fertility goddess. So the prophets' people specifically believed that Allat controls fertility. We also hear that they were following conjecture and their own fantasies. In reality they were not serving the controllers but they were serving the "jinn" as we are told here

3440-41. And on the day He gathers them all and then He says to the controllers "Were these serving you?" They say "You be exalted, you are our ally without them, they were serving the "jinn", most of them have faith in them.

Those who serve Allat by venerating her symbols and performing her rituals are actually serving the "jinn". So Allat is actually a "jinn". This is further confirmed by the following passages

And they made for The God partners the "jinn" and their creation and they made up for Him sons and daughters without knowledge, be He exalted and He is above what they describe.

37158-159. And they made between Him and the "jinn" a kinship while the "jinn" know that they are summoned. The God be most exalted above what they describe.

We also hear from other passages that the "jinn" are the fuel of fire

And as for the deviators, they are the fuel of hell.

By connecting 7215 and 3440-41 to 2198, which says that the gods that the idolaters serve are the fuel of hell, we can see that people who serve the "jinn" take them as gods

You and what you serve other than The God are the fuel of hell, you are entering it. Had those been gods, they wouldn't have entered it and all are forever in it.

But we by applying 1736, we know from our empirical observations that Allat is nothing more than the figment of imagination of people. In other words, she is just someone's fantasy. So now we can empirically verify that 2543 and 4523 are connected to 2198 and 3440-41 and complement them

Have you seen the one who took his god as his fantasy? So would you be a guardian on him?
Have you seen the one who took his god as his fantasy and The God misguided him despite his knowledge and sealed his hearing and his heart and distorted his sight? So who guides him after The God? Don't you remember?

WHAT ARE THE "JINN"?

By putting all the above passages together, we can clearly see that the "jinn" are in fact equivalent to the "fantasy". This is confirmed by 671

Say "Do we call upon other than The God what doesn't benefit or harm us and we get turned on our heels after that The God guided us? Like the one who those exceeding in rebellion fantasized him in the earth, confused he has companions inviting him to guidance "Come to us."" Say "The God's guidance is the guidance and we are commanded to comply to The Lord of the worlds."

As we can see above, it is those exceeding in rebellion ("shayateen") that fantasize humans in the earth. So now we can go back and translate "jinn" in the above passages as "fantasies" and see if it fits

3440-41. And on the day He gathers them all and then He says to the controllers "Were these serving you?" They say "You be exalted, you are our ally without them, they were serving the fantasies, most of them have faith in them.

And they made between Him and the fantasies a kinship while the fantasies know that they are summoned.
And they made for The God partners the fantasies and their creation and they made up for Him sons and daughters without knowledge, be He exalted and He is above what they describe.

Notice that in 6100, the partners that the idolaters made are said to be the fantasies and their creation. This is exactly what Allat is. It is someone's fantasy and the physical idols (the stone cube and the Black Stone in its corner) are the creation of that fantasy. This is confirmed by 2917 where Ibrahim describes a situation similar to that of present day sectarians

But what you serve other than The God are idols and you create falsehood. What you serve other than The God do not control for you any sustenance, therefore seek the sustenance at the God and serve Him and be grateful to Him; to Him you shall be returned.

Notice that Ibrahim in 2917 says that those idols do not control any sustenance for his people. So clearly his people believed that those idols control for them their sustenance, in other words, they believed that they are controllers exactly as 3440-41 was describing. There is no doubt that similar to what Ibrahim faced, anyone who destroys Allat's stone cube and Black Stone will face painful torture and probably death at the hands of the sectarians.

So for all intents and purposes a "jinn" is our hidden fantasy, our imagination. Our purpose both is to serve The God

And I didn't create the fantasies and the humans except to serve.

Controlled fantasies drive beautiful designs and beneficial inventions. On the other hand, if we let our fantasies have power over us, then they become exceeding in rebellion ("shaytan") and they misguide us away from the path of The God. As can be seen from passages such as 718, 11119, 3213, 3885, both the humans and the fantasies that are exceeding in rebellion will fill hell. Stone idols such as Allat are the physical expression of those exceeding in rebellion fantasies. Hence, we are also told that humans and stones are the fuel of hell (see 224. 666).

The story of Solomon gives us an example of what happens when fantasies are made to obey The God and are properly controlled.

Assembled for Solomon were his soldiers from the fantasies and the humans and the flying creatures and they were organized.

3837-38. And those exceeding in rebellion every builder and excavator and others who are linked in chains.

In the same way that uncontrolled fantasies make people create stone idols such as Allat, when chained (controlled) they can also make people create building and excavation machinery. In the same way that stone idols are the physical expression of the fantasies that are increasing in rebellion, beneficial inventions such as building and excavating machinery are the physical expression of the controlled fantasies. We can use those building and excavating machineries to make useful things

3412-14. And for Solomon the wind, its coming one full-moon and its going one full-moon and we flowed for him the fountain of molten metal and from the fantasies are those who work within his power with the permission of his Lord and whoever deviates from our order, we make him taste from the torment of burning. They make for him what he wills from private rooms and models and containers like deep wells boilers built into the ground. "Work appreciatively family of Dawood and a small number of my servants are appreciative." So when we decreed death on him, nothing showed them his death except a creeping creature of the earth eating his staff so when he fell the fantasies realized that had they known the hidden, they wouldn't have remained in the disgracing torment.

Another passage that we can now better understand is 2739

One from the fantasies who stirs up the sand said "I bring it to you before you cease from your situation and I am on it strong and trusty."

According to Classical Arabic dictionaries, the Arabic word /"3afar" means "to stir up the sand". Therefore, the word "3ifrit" in 2739 would mean something like "one who stirs up the sand". We know from other passages that Solomon was taught the logic of flying creatures

And Solomon inherited from Dawood and said "People, we have been taught the logic of flying creatures and we were given from everything, indeed this is the revealing favor."

By connecting 2716 and 2739, we can see that Solomon combined the knowledge about the logic of flying creatures with controlled fantasies to perhaps create one from the fantasies who stirs up the sand (this could be a flying machine, perhaps some kind of a helicopter, a rocket, or a hovercraft that stirs up the sand as it takes off or moves). The lesson learned here is that by combining knowledge with controlled fantasies, we can produce beneficial things. For all intents and purposes, such inventions can be considered the physical representation of the fantasies.

On the other hand, when we follow our fantasies without knowledge, in other words we let our fantasies and the fantasies of others have power over us, then we are misguided

But those who are unjust followed their fantasies without knowledge, so who guides the one who The God misguides and they don't have supporters?

Our hidden fantasy is linked to us. On the day of the account, people's hidden fantasies that are linked to them will be readily apparent to everyone.

And The one who is linked to him said "This is what I readily have."

If we don't control the hidden fantasy then it becomes exceeding in rebellion and we will go astray as we saw above in 3029

5027-29. The one who is linked to him said "Our Lord, I didn't cause him to transgress but he was far astray". He said "Do not quarrel at Me and I had already gave you the warning. The saying is not changed with me and I am not unjust to the servants." And We say to hell "Are you full?" And it says "Is there more?"

See also 438 and 4125

And we assign to them linked companions so they decorate for them what is between their hands (the present) and what is behind them (the past). And the saying is true on them in nations that passed before them from the fantasies and the humans that they are losers.

We control the fantasy by remembering the Almighty

4336-38. And whoever withdraws from remembering The Almighty, we assign to him one who is exceeding in rebellion so he becomes linked to him. And they hinder from the path and deduce that they are guided. Until when he comes to us, he says "I wish the distance of the two sunrises was between you and me (i.e., you were on the other side of the earth), what a miserable one who is linked."

The Arabic word "jinn" is also related to the word "majnoon", which is used to mean "crazy", in other words, someone whose mind is in the fantasy world and detached from reality. The word is used in two passages that talk about what the prophet saw at the highest/revealing horizon, namely 531-18 and 8122-23. The passages share a particular refutation for the companions of the prophet

532-3. Your companion did not go astray and deviate and he doesn't speak from the fantasy.

Your companion is not crazy.

Notice that the first passage starts with saying that "your companion did not go astray and deviate and he doesn't speak from the fantasy" and the second passage starts with "your companion is not crazy (his mind is in a fantasy)". Now we can see that those two passages are actually refuting an overlapping assertion by the companions of the prophet. This is because speaking from the fantasy is related to being crazy/"majnoon" (someone whose mind is in a fantasy).

As further confirmation of the present understanding, let's apply the same meaning of "fantasy" in different kinds of occurrences of the word "jinn" and its derivatives. For example, here we apply it to 1527

And the fantasy, we created it previously from smokeless fire (energy?).

Scientists have learned for sometime now that there are certain dominant brainwave patterns associated with imagination. Brainwaves are energy. The information given to us in 1527 and 5515 could perhaps be interpreted to mean that the fantasy was created from energy.

Another passage where "jinn" is mentioned in a different context is 2710

And throw your staff, so when he saw it shake like a fantasy, he turned back...

In 2831 and 2710, we are told that Moses saw his staff shake as if it was a fantasy. One can readily see that the meaning of "fantasy" fits in those passages as the staff was shaking as if one is imagining it.

Now when we read passages such as 5556 and 5574, it can be understood that they are giving allegories of things in heaven that no human or fantasy has ever touched (i.e., has ever been able to understand). In other words, they are things that are far better than what we can comprehend in the familiar physical world and even what we can imagine and fantasize about

No human or fantasy previously touched.

Similarly, 1788 can be understood as saying that something like this reading cannot be produced by humans and their fantasy/imagination.

Say "If the humans and the fantasies assembled together to bring the like of this reading, they wouldn't bring like it, if even had they been supporters for each other."

In chapter 72, we hear that a group of the fantasies listened to the great reading. Since, as we saw above, fantasies are inherently linked to humans, so this means that those were the fantasies of a group of humans that were listening. The fantasies are paraphrased as saying that they were amazed by the reading and realized upon hearing it that The God did not have a female companion or children. They continue by saying that they believed that the humans and the fantasies would not say lies about The God (i.e., that the humans would not fantasize lies about The God). The same event is recounted differently in 4629-32 so we know that those descriptions are not literal quotes but are paraphrasing what is to be learned from the passage. Now, one might ask how can our fantasies listen, have conversations and so on? It is in the same way that mountains can choose (3372) and our hands and legs can talk and testify (3665). All creatures have a hidden side that we are unaware of. We are only aware of mountains and brainwaves but not their hidden side. Interestingly, 1778 gives special importance to reading at dawn by saying that it is witnessed. Scientists have found out that when we had just woken up at dawn, the associated brainwave pattern (called Alpha) is a state of relaxed alertness that is good for inspiration and learning.

The passage continues in 726 by paraphrasing the fantasies as saying that men from the humans used to seek refuge in men from the fantasies so they increased them in hardship. This is what one would expect since unlike "one who stirs up the sand from the fantasy" in 2739, "men from the fantasies" like an imaginary friend cannot be realized and really help with anything and if one seeks help from them as if they are real this will likely lead to psychological disorder.

The next part is perhaps one of the most puzzling in all of the great reading. It talks about the fantasies "touching" the heaven and finding it filled with guards and bombardments. A similar passage is in 5533-35 and 377-10 so perhaps those can shed light on this puzzle.

5533-35. O consorts of fantasies and humans if you can pass through the casings of the heavens and the earth, then pass through. You will not pass through without authority. So which of your Lord's marvels do you deny? He sends on both of you projectiles from fire and sparks so you don't prevail.

We can see from 5533-35 that The God sends on both (dual) the fantasies and the humans projectiles of fire and sparks if they try to pass through the casings of the heavens and the earth. Since given our present state of knowledge, scientists haven't been able to know what would happen to an object that passes through regular space (into what is commonly known as hyperspace), let's focus on what we know, which is the earth. We know that even with all the scientific advancements today, no one has ever been able to penetrate beyond a few miles into the earth. Scientists predict that in the earth is encased an inner core that has a temperature of 7000 degrees Celsius and a pressure of 45 million pounds per square inch (or about 3.5 million times atmospheric pressure). So indeed passing through the earth would be impossible for humans and the fantasies. The immense pressures and temperatures will surely destroy anyone or any creation of our fantasies (such as an earth penetrating machine) that tries to pass through.

The passage in 3414 makes it clear that the fantasies do not know the hidden

So when We decreed on him death, nothing indicated to them his death except a mover of the earth eating his staff. So when he fell, it was revealed to the fantasies that had they known the hidden, they wouldn't have stayed in the degrading suffering.

Perhaps we can understand the suffering of the fantasies in 3414 by understanding the opposite of their suffering, which is their enjoyment

And at the time when He gathers them together, "O consorts of fantasies you took a lot of the humans" and their protectors from the humans said "our Lord, we enjoyed one another and we reached our term that You appointed for us." He said "The fire is your abode, everlasting in it, except what The God willed, your Lord is wise, knowledgeable.

We know that for humans uncontrolled fantasies are indeed enjoyable. People generally enjoy indulging in uncontrolled fantasies about wealth, power, and lust. So according to 6128, humans enjoy uncontrolled fantasies and likewise the fantasies get enjoyment when the humans let them be uncontrolled in that way. So Solomon has caused the fantasies that were exceeding in rebellion to suffer by the degradation of controlling them and preventing them from getting enjoyment. It is interesting to note that shortly upon the death of all prophets, most of their people have returned to their misguided ways.

Let's continue to apply the same meaning of "fantasy" in other kinds of occurrences of the word "jinn"

And like this we made for each prophet enemies, those exceeding in rebellion from the humans and the fantasies, they inspire one another with fancy sayings out of arrogance and had The God willed, they wouldn't have done it. So leave them and what they make up.

We can now see that 6122 is talking about an empirically verifiable fact. Namely, false but "fancy" sayings come from the inspirational interaction between humans and their fantasies/imagination.

A certain antecedent fantasy is described in several places in the great reading as taking part of an important turning point

And when We said to the controllers "Obey Adam so they obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?" refused and was arrogant and was from the unappreciative.
And we had created you then shaped you then said to the controllers obey Adam so they obeyed except Iblis/"iblis" was not from those who obey.

1530-31. So all the controllers obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?" refused to be with those who obey.

And when We said to the controllers obey Adam so they obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?", he said "Do I obey who you created as mud?"
And when We said to the controllers obey Adam so they obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?" was from the fantasies so he deviated from the command of his Lord. So do you take him and his descendants as protectors other than Me while they are your enemy? Miserable is this substitution for the unjust.
And when We said to the controllers obey Adam so they obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?" refused.

3873-74. So all the controllers together obeyed except Iblis/"iblis?" was arrogant and was from the unappreciative.

As can be seen from the above, Iblis (which as a common noun means "one who is stuck") was supposed to obey the human Adam. In the same way that we are descendants of Adam, our fantasies are the descendants of Iblis/"one who is stuck" (see 1850).

Another piece of information that can be seen from the above passages is that this antecedent fantasy was one of the controllers/"malaika". Contrary to popular belief, the word "malaika" doesn't mean "angels". The Arabic word "malaika" is the plural of "malak". The word "malak" means "one who controls/owns", i.e. a controller. According to 326, "mlk"/control is a status that can be given and taken away by The God

Say "O The God, controller of control, You give control to whom you will and take away control from whom you will and you give power to whom you will and you make powerless whom you will, goodness is with your hand (i.e., your power), You are capable over everything.

From 326, it can be seen that control is given to anyone and taken away from anyone by The God at any time. 326 makes it clear that being one from the "malaika"/controllers is a status, not some kind of mythical creature flying around in a white robe with a halo over the head. Thus, the controllers can be any creature that The God gave this status to. As long as they obey The God, they remain in that status. If one of them chooses to disobey The God, as Iblis/"one who is stuck" did, then The God takes from him this status and he is no longer a controller.

Connecting the passages such as 234 above with what we learned so far about controlling the fantasies and not letting them control us, we can see that if we make the fantasies obey us as their ancestor should have done in the above passages then we both can fulfill our purpose to serve The God as stated in 5156.

And I didn't create the fantasies and the humans except to serve.

CONCLUSION

We started out this article by asking "how did it come to this?" We tried to get to the root cause of the symptoms that we can see around us. The great reading provides a unique link between symptoms and hidden root causes. Those are links that we can all empirically verify and personally relate to. Going through the process of getting to our findings is at least as important as the findings themselves. Personally, going through this process has had a profound effect on me and my life and has increased my trust in The God's message.

In this process, we examined empirical observations in the world around us. For example, we looked at what sectarians do today at the place that their predecessors named Mecca and we looked at physical archeological evidence. We then looked at the evidence from the great reading and compared it to empirical observations. It is thus that we were able to find out what "jinn" means.

We can even test our understanding with any such "symptom", past or present. For example, sectarians today fantasize that the prophet can intercede on their behalf and can control who goes to heaven. Thus, one may think that they idolize the prophet. However, upon closer examination of the root cause of this symptom, one can see that they are in fact not idolizing the real prophet but they are idolizing an imagined prophet, i.e. a fantasy. So when they implore this fantasized prophet they are in fact serving nothing more than a fantasy. Another example is Jesus. What Christians actually idolize and serve is not Jesus but in fact is an imagined Jesus, i.e. a fantasy. In fact, you can test this understanding by applying it to all such symptoms of setting partners with The God and you would always get to the same fundamental root cause. It is also a fact that in all such tests, you would never get to the root cause as being reptilians/snakes as the Bible contends or ghosts as sectarian mythology contends.

As a side note, the word "jinn" is also related to the word "jannat", which means a garden. However, one can now see that it is not just any garden but a fantastic garden. As an interesting side note, while the "jinn"/fantasies are the fuel of hell, there is no evidence in the great reading of any "jinn"/fantasies in the fantastic garden ("jannat"). Those who go to heaven, by The God's mercy, will have free will. As we can see from passages such as 1631, they simply will something and they get it

Gardens of residence, they enter it, the rivers flow beneath it, for them in it what they will, like that The God reimburses the forethoughtful.

Of course, if someone simply wills something and gets it then there is no need to fantasize it. So fantasies become unnecessary and are not needed in the fantastic garden/"jannat". On the other hand, "jinn"/fantasies being the fuel of hell would imply that hell is the realization of our worst fantasies or the worst thing that we can even imagine.

With this understanding we can see how everything in the great reading including Iblis and the "jinn" interrelates to our lives and the empirical realities that we can observe. Moreover, we can now see that the great reading provides us with simple yet extremely powerful guidance. We can see that we simply have to control our fantasies and not let them or those of others control us. There are so many new doors that open as a result of this improved understanding of "jinn" and if The God willed, this will help us to better understand the great reading and the world. For example, we can better understand the following passage

478-79. Wherever you are, death will reach you even if you were in fortified towers. And if good comes to them, they say "This is from The God". And if bad comes to them, they say "This is from you". Say "All is from The God", so what is the matter with those people they almost can't understand any saying?
What comes to you from good is from The God and what comes to you from bad is from yourself and We sent you to humankind as a messenger and The God suffices as a witness.

We can empirically see that what bad that may come, for example the death of a loved one, although it may be bad for you, it is actually good when we look at the big picture. Death in general serves as a good reminder that this low life is not important and that it is the hereafter that matters. If the person served The God, The Truth, then they will enter the fantastic garden and this is good. On the other hand, if the person served the fantasies then death would indeed have been a bad thing for him/her but the badness came from him/herself not from The God. Indeed, when we hear that all comes from The God and good comes from The God, this means that all that comes from The God is good. Also, we can now see from the first chapter of the great reading that The God can guide us to the straight path (a good thing) by contrasting it with the path of the strayers. So, in a way, The God can accomplish good even from the strayers who spin seven times around an idol and kiss the crown of the re-born idol head. Perhaps, without their misguidance, we wouldn't have improved our understanding of what "jinn" means.

Guide us the straight path, the path of those You bestowed Your favor on, those who have not earned anger at them and not the strayers.

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
22. This is the book no doubt in it, a guidance for the forethoughtful.

This article reflects my personal interpretation of the passages of the great reading and of physical archeological evidence as of February 18, 2006. I will try to improve my understanding of the great reading and the universe, except if The God wills and perhaps my Lord guides me to what is nearer in rationality. Please verify all information within for yourself as commanded in 1736, and remember that simply "none" is the forethoughtful answer to 456. If The God willed, the outcome of this article will be beneficial.

unknownuser

Peace ayman. Your ideas on the jinn and fantasies are very interesting.I believe that incorrect thinking(illusion) can cause suffering. And correct thinking(rationality) can ease suffering. I believe however that every person fluctuates between these two states to some degree. The more rational a persons thinking(included in this thinking, is actions) the more likely they are to be happy,the less rational, the less happy. Humans having incomplete knowledge there will always be some illusion.(or irrational thinking),conversely there will always be some understanding or correct thinking.(as a logical consequence of having awareness,will and life).
I have one final point to make which is that one has to be very careful in branding billions as sectarians and idolators.(if you are not saying this or i have misunderstood your post then i apologise in advance.) There is no clear evidence of everybodies intentions and it is highly offensive. By the same logic some 'quran only' muslims could be said to be idolising the quran. Is not the methodology of 'quran' only sectarian and inclusive? If not can you explain how its not? I feel your intepretation(which im glad you stated is your opinion and could be wrong) has the potential to be divisive and irresponsible by encouraging a mindset of us and them(arbitrary,opinionated view of idolator and muslim),which in the climate of the world at present is possibly the last thing we need. Are we not supposed to be one ummah?(community) How are you making things better(more peaceful) with your view on sectarianism?
Peace and respect.

bmbmm

Interesting article Aymen! I hope eq's question could be answered as well.

Peace

ayman

Peace Enquirer and BM,

Thank you for your comments.

Peace ayman. Your ideas on the jinn and fantasies are very interesting.I believe that incorrect thinking(illusion) can cause suffering. And correct thinking(rationality) can ease suffering. I believe however that every person fluctuates between these two states to some degree. The more rational a persons thinking(included in this thinking, is actions) the more likely they are to be happy,the less rational, the less happy. Humans having incomplete knowledge there will always be some illusion.(or irrational thinking),conversely there will always be some understanding or correct thinking.(as a logical consequence of having awareness,will and life).

I think the key is to not let "illusions" have control over us. We need to have control over them and make them obey The God, The Truth.

Fantasies (or as you say "illusions") are useful and The God did not create them in vain. Think of it like our hands and legs. The God created them for a purpose. One can use his hand to build and do beneficial things or can use it to hit people and do bad things. The same thing is true with our fantasies. We can control them with the truth and build and invent beautiful and beneficial things or we let them be exceeding in rebellion and they will misguide us away from the truth and we will cause bad things.

I have one final point to make which is that one has to be very careful in branding billions as sectarians and idolators.(if you are not saying this or i have misunderstood your post then i apologise in advance.) There is no clear evidence of everybodies intentions and it is highly offensive.

I think that one of the implications of the findings in the article is that we need to revisit the definition of idolatry. We need to see that idolatry is not just the obvious act of taking a statue and worshiping it. We are clearly told in the great reading that the idolaters serve the "jinn", which we know now are the fantasies. Those who go to Mecca to spin seven times around the cube and kiss or wave to the Black Stone fantasize that by doing so their sins will be forgiven. They think that the cube and the stone have some kind of control in that matter. They are also propagating such exceeding in rebellion fantasies to their children and others. So by doing the above they are in fact serving the exceeding in rebellion ("shaytan") fantasies instead of The God. This is the very definition of idolatry.

By the same logic some 'quran only' muslims could be said to be idolising the quran. Is not the methodology of 'quran' only sectarian and inclusive? If not can you explain how its not?

There is no such thing as "quran only". The God's signs are not just in the great reading, they are all around us and within us. In fact, we cannot properly understand the great reading without putting it in the context of all those signs. I think that what most people mean when they say "quran only" is that the great reading is a unique book of guidance to be read.

I feel your intepretation(which im glad you stated is your opinion and could be wrong) has the potential to be divisive and irresponsible by encouraging a mindset of us and them(arbitrary,opinionated view of idolator and muslim),which in the climate of the world at present is possibly the last thing we need.

I agree that my opinion may seem a little harsh, however if one accepts the main premise that "jinn" = fantasies then one needs to revisit many other concepts and especially the concept of setting up partners/idolatry and reexamine it with this new understanding in mind.

Are we not supposed to be one ummah?(community) How are you making things better(more peaceful) with your view on sectarianism?

No, we are not supposed to be one "ummah". This is just an empty slogan that puts the cart before the horse. The God tells us that we are supposed to hold on to the rope of The God and not seperate. If we do that and hold on to the rope of The God, The Truth, then real unity will come naturally. Unity is a byproduct of this goal NOT an end itself. There are many people who are united on falsehood. Their unity doesn't help them and in fact it hurts them.

I hope this helps.

Peace,

Ayman

savage_carrot

Peace bro Ayman,

Finally! Excellent article, this and the previous one...as I remember you were working on the previous article last year around the same time. It has been a long year D . I am studying this further but at the moment have some questions/observations...

Would imagination be a better word for replacing fantasy in some places? Example 1527, 1788. Is there a reason for using fantasy consistently instead of the other?
5533-35 is confusing. I find it hard to understand the 'consorts' of fantasy...why 'consorts'? Why not just fantasies and humans?
3414 is just beyound me at the moment. Why would fantasies/imagination suffer or enjoy? Do they have 'feelings'? That would mean they are seperate entities? Or if we replace the meaning by saying, 'it was revealed to the imagination that had they known the hidden, they wouldn't have stayed in the degrading suffering'...whose imagination? Whose fantasy? Do fantasies have a mind/life of their own? They are a part of humans yet seperate? Is imagination/creativity a part of humans yet separate? Just rambling here I guess, but I would like to know why they are addressed as if they are different from humans, or a seperate part of humans?

The last question above is once more the separation as in the last verse in your article 5156. Humans have 'fantasies', (I would like to use the word imagination once again as it just sounds better ) ), and these fantasies and humans are created yet separate? Or they are part of each other yet separate? Humans must control these fantasies or call upon themselves their own doom? Can humans make their own fantasies? I think the answer is yes, but we have to control these fantasies we make? I think I'm getting a bit confused because of the number of understandings I have read regarding the subject aka jinn are thoughts (good and bad and interchange randomly or unless controlled) then the jinn are men yet wild! (not urbane) school of thought, lest I forget the jinn are human leaders aspect of it.

Would appreciate any clarification you can give...and I for one truly appreciate your contributions to the forum, your understandings and help are the major reason that have kept inspiring me to study further!

Best Regards,
Nadia

Wakas

peace brother Ayman,

Thanks for sharing. Overall it (part 2) is ok, really good in parts. I take ages to verify things (unless its clear), so I dont want to give a detailed response just yet.

It seems you are implying "jinn" to mean "fantasy" in all its occurrences. If so, providing people with the chance to cross-reference this claim would have been beneficial. Here it is from PRL

= Jiim-Nun-Nun (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.
Spiritual beings that conceal themselves from the senses (including angels), become weak and abject, greater part of mankind, devil/demon, people who are peerless having no match or equal, a being who is highly potent, sometimes refers to Kings because they are concealed from the common folk

676

1527, 5515, 5539, 5556, 5574

156, 2627, 3736, 4414, 5139, 5152, 5229, 549, 682, 6851, 8122

5332

2710, 2831

225, 235, 282, 2111, 2214, 2221, 2265, 2266, 315, 3133, 3136, 3142, 3185, 3195, 3198, 413, 457, 4122, 4124, 512, 565, 572, 585, 5119, 699, 6141, 719, 722, 727, 740, 742, 743, 744, 746, 749, 750, 921, 972, 972, 989, 9100, 9111, 109, 1026, 1123, 11108, 134, 1323, 1335, 1423, 1545, 1631, 1632, 1791, 1831, 1832, 1833, 1835, 1839, 1840, 18107, 1960, 1961, 1963, 2076, 20117, 20121, 2214, 2223, 2256, 2319, 258, 2510, 2515, 2524, 2657, 2685, 2690, 26134, 26147, 2958, 318, 3219, 3415, 3416, 3416, 3533, 3626, 3634, 3655, 3743, 3850, 3973, 3974, 408, 4040, 4130, 427, 4222, 4370, 4372, 4425, 4452, 4614, 4616, 476, 4712, 4715, 485, 4817, 509, 5031, 5115, 5217, 5315, 5454, 5546, 5554, 5562, 5612, 5689, 5712, 5721, 5822, 5920, 5920, 6112, 6112, 649, 6511, 668, 6611, 6817, 6834, 6922, 7035, 7038, 7112, 7440, 7612, 7816, 7941, 8113, 8511, 8810, 8930, 988

6100, 6112, 6128, 6130, 738, 7179, 1788, 1850, 2717, 2739, 3412, 3414, 3441, 4125, 4129, 4618, 4629, 5156, 5533, 721, 725, 726

11119, 3213, 37158, 37158, 1146

7184, 2325, 2370, 348, 3446

5816, 632

Lane's Lexicon, Volume 2, page 98, 99, 100

I feel the most important part of your article was connecting related-points together allowing us to analyse the links between the concepts more closely. This is often difficult when casually reading 'al quran' ('the reading').

Wakas

darcus

Peace be upon you Ayman

Thank you for your hard work. It truly was an enlightening read. I had never channelled my thoughts in that direction.

I am gobsmacked by how well it fits and it seems to me that your understanding of the 'fantasies' and their subsequent control may also have an impact on salaat. I have yet to make the complete connection and do further analysis, but this idea seems right.

Thank you again for your work, and thank you Lord of the Worlds for allowing us to be guided.

d

ayman

Peace sister Nadia,

Finally! Excellent article, this and the previous one...as I remember you were working on the previous article last year around the same time. It has been a long year D . I am studying this further but at the moment have some questions/observations...

Would imagination be a better word for replacing fantasy in some places? Example 1527, 1788. Is there a reason for using fantasy consistently instead of the other?

I think that both can be used and you can use "imaginaion" just as well as "fantasy". I used fantasy because its verb "fantasize" has some overlap with the verb "desire". Humans tend to fantasize about what they desire.

5533-35 is confusing. I find it hard to understand the 'consorts' of fantasy...why 'consorts'? Why not just fantasies and humans?

The word "ma3shar"/consorts implies that the fantasies and the humans are linked together. This is in line with other passages that talk about the "jinn" being "qarin"/one linked to humans.

An interesting question would be, what if the human is without the fantasy? Can they pass?

3414 is just beyound me at the moment. Why would fantasies/imagination suffer or enjoy? Do they have 'feelings'?

From my understanding of the great reading, yes they do have feelings.

That would mean they are seperate entities? Or if we replace the meaning by saying, 'it was revealed to the imagination that had they known the hidden, they wouldn't have stayed in the degrading suffering'...whose imagination? Whose fantasy? Do fantasies have a mind/life of their own? They are a part of humans yet seperate? Is imagination/creativity a part of humans yet separate? Just rambling here I guess, but I would like to know why they are addressed as if they are different from humans, or a seperate part of humans?

In 3665, we are told that our hands and legs will testify on us. In this passage, like our fantasies, our hands and legs seem to be part of us and at the same time separate. We know that humans get pleasure from fantasizing about things such as wealth, power and lust. So perhaps the pleasure is two way.

I think that perhaps we need to look at it in the same way we look at everything. Take for example our hands, they are in turn made of cells that are made of molecules and those are made of atoms that are made of subatomic particles (electrons, protons, neutrons) and so on. Are the electrons seperate from us or part of us? They are both.

The last question above is once more the separation as in the last verse in your article 5156. Humans have 'fantasies', (I would like to use the word imagination once again as it just sounds better ), and these fantasies and humans are created yet separate? Or they are part of each other yet separate? Humans must control these fantasies or call upon themselves their own doom? Can humans make their own fantasies? I think the answer is yes, but we have to control these fantasies we make? I think I'm getting a bit confused because of the number of understandings I have read regarding the subject aka jinn are thoughts (good and bad and interchange randomly or unless controlled) then the jinn are men yet wild! (not urbane) school of thought, lest I forget the jinn are human leaders aspect of it.

Would appreciate any clarification you can give...and I for one truly appreciate your contributions to the forum, your understandings and help are the major reason that have kept inspiring me to study further!

I think that you are asking the right questions and thinking along the right direction for answers. I think that everyone who wrote about this subject was close to the answer but for some reason couldn't see it. It is like when one has something right in front of them and they can't see it (I know because I was there myself).

The idea about "thoughts" is close to the findings here. But even ideas such as leaders and the sectarian idea of ghosts. Think about it, leaders are people who have grandiose visions (i.e., fantasies). Similarly, ghosts and the such are the imagined products of our own fantasies. Interestingly, so-called haunted houses are mostly old houses that are made of stone. Friction between stones produces electromagnetic energy and thus old stone houses give higher than normal readings on magnetometers. To varying degrees, this electromagnetic energy seems to induce a strong feeling of a presence, disorientation, and perceptual irregularities in some individuals. It is as if their imagination plays tricks on them.

So far, only the meaning of fantasy/imagination fits and best links the ideas in the great reading to all the things that we can empirically verify.

As I said in my conclusion, there are so many new doors that this understanding opens, for example this has significant impact on our understanding of heaven and hell and so many other concepts.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brother Wakas,

Thanks for sharing. Overall it (part 2) is ok, really good in parts. I take ages to verify things (unless its clear), so I dont want to give a detailed response just yet.

Thank you brother, I really appreciate you being patient and careful in verifying the information in it. We are to seek help with patience and the learning connection (patience is mentioned first). Please share your detailed response when you can.

It seems you are implying "jinn" to mean "fantasy" in all its occurrences. If so, providing people with the chance to cross-reference this claim would have been beneficial. Here it is from PRL

I agree. People shouldn't accept anything without verification and thank you for providing the occurences. I hope that we can reach a better understanding as a result of people cross-referencing. This understanding is still in its infancy and I am sure it can be improved.

I feel the most important part of your article was connecting related-points together allowing us to analyse the links between the concepts more closely. This is often difficult when casually reading 'al quran' ('the reading').

This book is a guide like a map is a guide. If we just look at connections on a map without looking at the road or the signs around us, we will still get lost.

I think the most important part is connecting concepts in the great reading with what we can emprically verify in the world around us. This is such a powerful approach that enables us to reach a state of "yaqin"/absolute certainty. It is this "wow" or "aha" feeling that one gets when those connections are revealed and one sees that there is no way that this great reading came from anyone other than The God.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brother Darcus,

Thank you for your hard work. It truly was an enlightening read. I had never channelled my thoughts in that direction.

I am gobsmacked by how well it fits and it seems to me that your understanding of the 'fantasies' and their subsequent control may also have an impact on salaat. I have yet to make the complete connection and do further analysis, but this idea seems right.

Thank you again for your work, and thank you Lord of the Worlds for allowing us to be guided.

Thank you for you kind comments. I agree that this understanding opens new doors and may also have an impact on improving our understanding of concepts such as "salat". If The God willed, the outcome will be beneficial for everyone.

Peace and best wishes,

Ayman

savage_carrot

Peace bro Ayman,

I think that both can be used and you can use "imaginaion" just as well as "fantasy". I used fantasy because its verb "fantasize" has some overlap with the verb "desire". Humans tend to fantasize about what they desire.

Yes, I think I shall need to go through every occurence and check how it fits...sometimes I think it might just be referring to something that is around the 'creative'/imaginary aspect.

The word "ma3shar"/consorts implies that the fantasies and the humans are linked together. This is in line with other passages that talk about the "jinn" being "qarin"/one linked to humans.

An interesting question would be, what if the human is without the fantasy? Can they pass?

I do think that there is absolutely a link there, thats what I always got during the study of this particular subject. Hmm, can a human be without fantasy/imagination? We are so used to relying on that in everyday life, I know I'm a dreamer but then creativity could be different from inspiration?!? Creativity would rely on both the human and imagination while inspiration would be that jolt out of the blue that ties it all in...I think this might lead us to new uncharted space, it is food for thought.

From my understanding of the great reading, yes they do have feelings.

I agree, I do think they are seperate in that sense.

In 3665, we are told that our hands and legs will testify on us. In this passage, like our fantasies, our hands and legs seem to be part of us and at the same time separate. We know that humans get pleasure from fantasizing about things such as wealth, power and lust. So perhaps the pleasure is two way.

I doubt that our hands feel differently about us and hate what we do? I understand the verse though and agree. Thoughts/imagination are a different thing I think. They come and go, sometimes when we silence ourselves enough and think, there is just us. Other times, there are these thoughts that are present buzzing and through all of it, yet we still know what is us. That leads me to think thoughts/imagination/fantasies are seperate yet a part.

I think that perhaps we need to look at it in the same way we look at everything. Take for example our hands, they are in turn made of cells that are made of molecules and those are made of atoms that are made of subatomic particles (electrons, protons, neutrons) and so on. Are the electrons seperate from us or part of us? They are both.

Definitely.

I think that you are asking the right questions and thinking along the right direction for answers. I think that everyone who wrote about this subject was close to the answer but for some reason couldn't see it. It is like when one has something right in front of them and they can't see it (I know because I was there myself).

Indeed, that is true. To some extent I have always felt that they operate on a person through his mind. Some explanations had a hard time fitting though and this seems quite promising.

The idea about "thoughts" is close to the findings here. But even ideas such as leaders and the sectarian idea of ghosts. Think about it, leaders are people who have grandiose visions (i.e., fantasies). Similarly, ghosts and the such are the imagined products of our own fantasies. Interestingly, so-called haunted houses are mostly old houses that are made of stone. Friction between stones produces electromagnetic energy and thus old stone houses give higher than normal readings on magnetometers. To varying degrees, this electromagnetic energy seems to induce a strong feeling of a presence, disorientation, and perceptual irregularities in some individuals. It is as if their imagination plays tricks on them.

Exactly. Ghosts and jinn were always intermingled. I remember reading about the occult and especially these 'perceptions' that people had about certain areas and came to the conclusion that it's all in the mind, also of course depending on triggers in the environment.

So far, only the meaning of fantasy/imagination fits and best links the ideas in the great reading to all the things that we can empirically verify.

As I said in my conclusion, there are so many new doors that this understanding opens, for example this has significant impact on our understanding of heaven and hell and so many other concepts.

I agree, and will get right on the research aspect of it, as I think it is a very interesting insight. I will be sending you my questions/comments as always

Best regards,
Nadia

ayman

Peace sister Nadia,

I agree, and will get right on the research aspect of it, as I think it is a very interesting insight. I will be sending you my questions/comments as always

Great, I look forward to your questions/comments.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman

Someone

Peace ayman, all

How can we tie the findings of your article with words like ("ins", "jinn") and ("insane", "jann")?

I think that "ins" is the plural of "insane", and "jinn" plural of "jann".

While writing this post, it occured to me the thought of "ins" and "insane" could come from the root "nassaa" or "nassia" which translate as "to forget", but I should verify this. Until now, I was thinking that it comes from the root "aanassa" which translate as "to socialize".

Peace upon you brother

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Brother Ayman!

How did I miss this one!!

Fantastic as always brother. I have only read it once, but I am sure you already knew i would enjoy this article. There are some things that I will comment on that I think will clarify things even further, but I need some time on this one. I browsed through the responses and I wanted to agree with Darcus that this understanding shed PLENTY of light on salaat.

Now that brother Ayman has fantastically pulled all the verses together, something he does so well, the clarity will come as a result of proper orientation.

I will have much to add once I go over the article and responses again tonight.

Ayman, thank you greatly for the patience you exert to be able to take the time to put everything together the way you do.

thegod

ayman wrote...
I will try to improve my understanding of the great reading and the universe, except if The God wills and perhaps my Lord guides me to what is nearer in rationality. Please verify all information within for yourself as commanded in 1736, and remember that simply "none" is the forethoughtful answer to 456. If The God willed, the outcome of this article will be beneficial.

much of what u have written is based on ur assumptions, which u have not proved in the entire length of the article, except by making some more assumptions! moreover, instead of establishing a thing and then concluding u have concluded and then tried to establish ur point! -)

darcus

peace be upon you

idolfree The article awoke something inside concerning the salaat issue. I have recently had much confusion regarding salaat and whether or not I am correct in my own understanding. However, the pieces fit together nicely and it feels right. I know it is not the negative satanic influence whispering this - but the positive. It also leads me to a renewed awareness of what I am doing, in the context of polarity - negative to positive 'emotions' fuelled by 'fantasy'. It helps to control fear of the irrational and strengthens love. I sound like I am babbling, its because I am giving myself free-reign here. Something that feels natural to do.

thegod a very short sharp reply like yours needs more explanation. Please show me what you are thinking so that I can understand what you mean by the assumptions which were made throughout the article. I dont see them as clear assumptions - maybe I am wrong. Do go on.

Peace
d

ayman

Peace brother,

How can we tie the findings of your article with words like ("ins", "jinn") and ("insane", "jann")?

I think that "ins" is the plural of "insane", and "jinn" plural of "jann".

While writing this post, it occured to me the thought of "ins" and "insane" could come from the root "nassaa" or "nassia" which translate as "to forget", but I should verify this. Until now, I was thinking that it comes from the root "aanassa" which translate as "to socialize".

The root of "INS" is "AaNaS", which indeed means "socialize". So I don't think that it has to do with "forget".

Peace,

Ayman

ayman

Peace brothers Darcus and Kyle,

I would be very interested in learning your insights about how this affects our understanding of "salat" and other concepts.

Peace and all best wishes,

Ayman

darcus

Peace brother Ayman

In regards to the 'salat' issue, it is more a personal understanding. I cannot provide clear evidence from the quran yet, but will do so after I have completed my research. My thinking lies along the following lines

For me salat is a two pronged thing - physical and non-physical. The good thing with the small details of the quran regarding what it is, is that it can fluctuate between the two as the needs of the individual dictate. The best point would be to find the middle road - the median point of the two, and this cannot be prescribed because it depends upon the individual. Many people argue here that it cannot be physical. I disagree with the phrase 'cannot', as this implies that the pinnacle of understanding regarding this has been achieved for all humanity - uncertainty is the best policy. It is certainty that leads to sects forming.

The way in which you describe the 'fantasy' and it's role in our lives sounds about right, because by keeping these 'fantasies' in check and maintaining the balance between negative and positive leads to a remembrance of Allah. It works for me, as it helps me to achieve this remembrance. It has awoken the thing inside so that I open my eyes and then open them again. Each layer of conciousness can impact the next, so in a way it 'reprograms' the method in which I perceive reality, my part in it and how I need to progress.

I may be rambling again but this is also how I see one of my 'fantasy's working through me. I tend to type more or less what I think. (Im a fast typer by the way - so no comments on my speed of thought!)

When my research is complete and I can collate it together into something readable, I will post it on the forum. That is if it does make sense.

peace out
d

unknownuser

Salaamun alaikum Ayman, all,

A fantasy is clearly a thought and not a being. In my understanding "jinn" could mean "fantastic/hidden beings" or "fanciful/hidden beings" rather than "fantasies", as its usage in the great reading indicates a "being" rather than a "thought". For example

37158 And they invented a kinship between Him and the Jinn. But the Jinn know that they will be gathered.

Here Jinn appears to be "beings" rather than "thoughts". How can a "fantasy" know that it will be gathered ?

5156 I did not create the Jinn and the humans except to serve Me.

How can a "fantasy" serve The God ? Here Jinn and humans are used in the same context as "beings" rather than "thoughts" with the ability to serve.

2717 And Solomon's soldiers were gathered, comprising of humans and Jinn and birds, for they were to be spread out.

How can "fantasies" be soldiers ? The context clearly indicates they are "beings" rather than "thoughts".

3412 And for Solomon the wind was given, traveling one month coming and one month going, and We caused a spring of tar to flow for him. And from among the Jinn are those that worked for him by his Lord's leave; and any one of them who turns from Our commands, We shall cause him to taste the retribution of the Fire.
3413 They made for him what he desired of enclosures, and statues, and pools of deep reservoirs, and heavy pots. "O family of David, work to show thanks." Only a few of My servants are appreciative.
3414 Then, when We decreed death for him, nothing informed them of his death until a worm kept eating from his staff, so when he fell down, the Jinn realised that if they had known the unseen, they would not have remained in the humiliating retribution.

How can "fantasies" work ? (3412). How can fantasies make statues and pots ? (3413). How can fantasies realize ? (3414)

2739 A powerful being from among the Jinn said "I will bring it to you before you rise from your station. For I am strong and trustworthy."

How can a "fantasy" talk ?

4125 And We assigned to them companions who adorned their present and past actions. Thus, the retribution has been deserved by them the same as previous nations of Jinn and humans; all of them were losers.

How can there be a nation of "fantasies" ? Jinn here is used in the same context as humans being nations, clearly indicating "beings" rather than "thoughts".

2710 "And throw down your staff." So when he saw it shake as if it were a Jinn, he ran away and would not turn back. "O Moses, do not fear, for My messengers shall have no fear from Me."

How can one compare a physical object to a "fantasy" ?

5533 O tribes of Jinn and humans, if you can penetrate the outer limits of the heavens and the Earth, then go ahead and penetrate. You will not penetrate without authority.

How can there be a tribe of "fantasies" ? Here again humans and Jinn have the same context of "beings".

6128 And the Day We gather them all "O tribes of Jinn, you have managed to take many humans." Their supporters from the humans said "Our Lord, we have indeed enjoyed one another, and we have reached our destiny to which You delayed us." He said "The Fire is your dwelling, in it you shall abide eternally, except as your Lord wishes." Your Lord is Wise, Knowledgeable.

How can fire be the dwelling of a "fantasy" ?

Electromagnetic waves are "hidden" but can now be detected by various technologies. Perhaps in the future when people will have the technology to detect the presence of Jinn, they will not be as fantastic/hidden any more !!

Peace,

Tanveer