Masajid before the Messenger

Grourself

Peace,

Masjid is not a place of worship or rituals but there certainly were masaajid before the messenger.

The Bani Israel had places of submitting. These were the places where the message from God was rehearshed to the people. This is not the mosque of the Arab religion they call Islam.

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And those who took a place of submitting (as a tool for) harming, and disbelief, and separation/distinction between the trustine ones, and (as) a watch/observation/ambuscade (ambush place/shelter) to who battled/fought God and His messenger from before, and they swear/take oath "That we wanted/intended except the best/goodness ." And God witnesses that they truly are lying. Do not stand in it ever, a place of submitting founded (established) on the fear and obedience from (the) first day (is) more worthy/deserving that you stand in it, in it (are) men they love/like that they clean themselves, and God loves/likes the clean .

Masjid before the messenger

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And we carried out the Bani Israel?s record that you will corrupt the earth/land twice and you will become high and mighty (insolently).
So, when the promise of the first one comes to pass, we would send against you servants of ours who are very powerful, so they went corrupting/destroying in between and around the dwellings and this was a promise done. Then We returned to you the repeat/second time/repetition over them, and we extended/spread you with properties/possessions/wealths, and sons and daughters, and we made you more (a larger) supportive tribe/family/group.

If you did good, you did good for yourselves, and if you did bad/evil/harm so for it (your selves), so if the last's/end's/other's promise came, they will cause evil/harm (to) your faces/fronts, THEY WILL ENTER THE PLACE OF SUBMITTING (MASJID) like they entered it the first time , and they will destroy/ruin/break what they rose over (with) destruction/ruin/breakage.

Nouns of place

A noun already denotes a person, place or thing.

There are PARTICULAR TYPES OF NOUNS called nouns of place. They describe the PLACE WHERE AN ACTION HAPPENS.

The patterns are these maf?al, maf?il and maf?ala.

Kataba he wrote maktub office, place of writing

Jalisa he sat, majlis place of sitting or council

Sajida he submitted masjid place of submitting

The passive participle is the maf?uul pattern. This is the person/thing that THE ACTION HAPPENS TO. Sajana to imprison, Masjuun imprisoned.

The active participle is the faa?il. This is the person/thing that DOES THE ACTION Kataba becomes kaatib writer

It is not just the prefix ma alone that forms a noun of place.

For example the verb ka-ta-ba

In the mafil, maful, mafal, the prefix ma is added but the first consonant is attached with a sukun, without a vowel.

Mak-tub . ka-ta-ba (fatha on middle consonant, past perfect=he wrote) becomes mak-tub.

sa-ji-da (this has kesra on the middle consonant, is the past perfect=he submitted) becomes mas-jid.

There cannot be any other vowels other than the pluralization as in masjid is singular and maSAjid is plural.

mash-hid (sha-hi-da=he witnessed, past perfect) would be a place of witnessing.

When the vowel is lengthened with the "waw" it is a different part of speech such as the act of witnessing is an active participle mashuhuudun.

Again there were masajid before the messenger.

JHamza

Peace Grourself,

So basically masjid can mean any place that you prostrate to worship GOD in submission..

This can be any place that one happens to fall down in submission;in the backyard,in the living room,bedroom,office etc and even a place that was built primarly for worship hence al Masjid" the Place of Submission/Worship".

This is how I see masjid,am I correct?

unknownuser

Hi Gourself,

I think They are any place where you carry out an acceptance.

Sharibu = they drank.
Sharibeena /sharibuna = drinkers.
Ma-shariba = a Drink.
Ma-sharabun = Drinking place.

Sajida = He accepted.
Yasjadu=He will accept.
Isjadu = you accept.
Sajiduna/sajidina = Acceptors ,those who accept.
Masajid = various acceptances.
Masjid = An acceptance.
Masjadun=place you put your acceptance into action.
Sujda = accepting,
Sajadun/sajadan /sajadin = acceptance.

i think so.

bmbmm

Ma-sjid simply means state of submission. Such as Masjid-al-haram.

Restriction/forbiden things (haram) in the state of submission (Masjid)!

People have corrupted this and changed it to a building/idol etc.

Salam

unknownuser

Ma-sjid simply means state of submission. Such as Masjid-al-haram.

Restriction/forbiden things (haram) in the state of submission (Masjid)!

People have corrupted this and changed it to a building/idol etc.

Salam

Peace bro

Sijood is the one the means state of submission and its singualr form is Sajdah , Masjid is any place where Allah is worshipped and sure Allah is worshipped by performing Sijood as He told us, no corruption here bro, the arabic wazn of the words is clear, Sijood is different to Masjid

peace

Grourself

Correction

sa-ji-da (this has kesra on the middle consonant, is the past perfect=he submitted) becomes mas-jid.

sajada is perfect past he submitted

bmbmm

Salam all,

A word derived from the root word ?Sajada? which means ?To Submit? has been twisted to become a mosque. There are several verbs generated from this root to become the ground forms which does not change the meaning of the root. In the Quran the ?Sajadu?, ?yas-judun?, ?usjud?, ?Sujud?, ?Sajid? and ?ma-sajid? are derived from the same root word.

A simple comparison with other verses in the Quran will show the violation of linguistic discipline by the Arabs regarding the usage of the prefixes and suffixes. For example we see in the Quran the following words-

The root word ?Sahara? means ?To cast a spell or to bewitch?. When somebody is bewitched a prefix ?Ma? is appended to the root, which becomes the ground form of the verb ?Mas-hur?. ?Mas-hur? is not a place or a physical building but the state of being bewitched is ?Mas-hur?.

In chapter 15 Verse 14 it says, ?If God opens up the gate to the sky through which we can climb we will say our eyes are being bewitched?.

The root word ?Satara? means ?To inscribe or to write?. When God?s scripture is prescribed with His permanent decrees a prefix of ?Ma? is appended to the root to become the ground form of ?Mastur?. The book is not the ?Mastur? but what was prescribed or what was inspired is the ?Mastur?.

In Chapter 52 Verse 2 a verse refers to Moses and it says, ?And a book inscribed?, which means God?s commands is prescribed in the book.

The root word ?shahid? means ?To witness?. When it is intended to show that the people are in the state of witnessing, a prefix ?Ma? is appended to the root and it becomes the ground form of the verb ?Mashud?. The place where the event took place is not the ?Mashud? but the state of witnessing is ?Mashud?.

In Chapter 11 Verse 103 it says, ?Indeed this is the signs for those who fear the punishment in the hereafter. That will be the day the people will be assembled and they will be witnessing/Mashud.

The root word ?Sajana? means ?To imprison?. ?Mas-juni? signifies the serving of the imprisonment. ?Masjuni? is not the ?Prison.

The root word ?Sakana? in the Quran means to ?inhabit or to dwell?. The act of dwelling is ?Mas-kuna?. The building where he is dwelling is called ?Buyut? or the house and NOT ?Mas-kuna?.

You commit not error if you enter the ?houses? (buyutan) which is uninhabited (ghoiro mas-kuna)?. (ghoiro literally means ?not?) (Chapter 24 Verse 29)

Similarly, the word ?sajada? in the Quran means ?submit?. The word ?Ma-sajid? is simply a derivative from the root. It does not represent ?a place where people go to submit. ?Ma-sajid? simply means the people who are observing the ?submission?.

These are the few comparisons from the long list of examples in the Quran. The words ?mas-hur?, ?Mastur?, ?mas-kuna?, ?ma-sajid?, ?mas-hud? and ?mas-juni are verbs appended with the prefix of ?Ma? before their respective root words. They refer to the continuous state of be being of the active participles or recipients of the doers. Simple examination from the Quran can easily expose the unnecessary distortion perpetuated by the Arabs to change the meaning of simple words in achieving their ends.

All in all, why one needs a house to find Allah? it doesn't make sense. All I see there is a lot of shirk/politics/greed where people have decided to build a house where one finds Allah.

Peace

unknownuser

Salam all,

A word derived from the root word ?Sajada? which means ?To Submit? has been twisted to become a mosque. There are several verbs generated from this root to become the ground forms which does not change the meaning of the root. In the Quran the ?Sajadu?, ?yas-judun?, ?usjud?, ?Sujud?, ?Sajid? and ?ma-sajid? are derived from the same root word.

A simple comparison with other verses in the Quran will show the violation of linguistic discipline by the Arabs regarding the usage of the prefixes and suffixes. For example we see in the Quran the following words-

The root word ?Sahara? means ?To cast a spell or to bewitch?. When somebody is bewitched a prefix ?Ma? is appended to the root, which becomes the ground form of the verb ?Mas-hur?. ?Mas-hur? is not a place or a physical building but the state of being bewitched is ?Mas-hur?.

In chapter 15 Verse 14 it says, ?If God opens up the gate to the sky through which we can climb we will say our eyes are being bewitched?.

Peace bro, I was reading your comment then just stopped here after discovering a major flaw in that part

you said "The root word ?Sahara? means ?To cast a spell or to bewitch?.", which I agree

then you said "When somebody is bewitched a prefix ?Ma? is appended to the root, which becomes the ground form of the verb ?Mas-hur?.", this is totally wrong

to express that somebody becomes the ground of any verb it must be on the following wazn "Maf'ool", in Arabic it looks like this "", this will make the "Sahara" verb looks like this "" and pronounced as "Mas-hor?", as you can see I replaced the U with an O and this makes it pronounced properly

Now Masjid is NOT on the wazn "Maf'ool" it is on the wazn "Maf'al", which looks like this "", please go and ask all the Arabic speakers in the world whom you know and trust, but possibly you won't because you think that the arabs manipulated the language hey lol

now if you can also manage to ask them how to derive a noun for a place from a root, they should tell you it must be on the wazn "Maf'al" "", EXACTLY AS THE WORD MASJID

you got it totally wrong bro

I rest my case, but I will still look at the rest of your comment

peace

bmbmm

Salam,

Thanks bro for your somment, however I will not ask the Arab speaking people, because I do not think they know the Quran nor the Arabic language much better. I think Masjid is the state of submission. e.g. If masjid is a mosque, then why there is a haram mosque? What is a haram mosque anyway? Masjid-al-haram=the restriction in submission make perfect sense for me, unless you explain what a haram mosque is .
I don't think we need places for worship in Islam.

Also we are to Serve Allah not to Worship him. To serve is more clear as Islam is the way of life! How do you serve Allah in the mosque/a building? Please check out the following

SERVE GOD THROUGH COMMITMENTS

Again, this is a frighteningly simple concept. We are encouraged to remind ourselves that,

Our commitments, our sacrifices, our life and our death are FOR God the Lord of the universe. (Chapter 6 Verse 162)

People by nature tend selfish. It is strange that animals do not hoard food but humans alone have developed coping skills that drive them to accumulate wealth and resources. It is our lot in life to remember that Islam is a way of life that espouses sacrifice for the benefit of all those around us. This goes against the base instinct of man and thus man finds it against his nature to commit himself to God?s prescribed way. Man is not willing to sacrifice ego, greed and arrogance by observing their obligations to do the good deeds among themselves, their associates, their close or distant neighbors, their relatives, the poor, the needy and the oppressed.

The Lord of the universe did not reveal His scriptures in vain. The revelations are His signs, His good news, and His guide to mankind. The scripture is non-negotiable and cannot be manipulated like a current/checking account. There is no over-draft facility.

These are the signs of the reading, a profound scripture, a guide and good news for those who believe. They uphold the commitments and to keep them pure. And they are positively certain about the hereafter. (Chapter 27 Verse 2-3)

Those who recite God?s scripture and uphold the commitments and give to charity from our provisions, publicly or secretly they seek a trade that never loses. (Chapter 35 Verse 29)

Charities, donations, amicable treatment among the people, equitable trade, moral discipline, fulfilling of promises are just some of the guidelines encompassed in God?s way. It is, ultimately, the perfect recipe for man. Unfortunately, man has not embraced these prescribed values.

Those who disbelieve among the followers of the previous scriptures and the idol worshipers will never believe even after the proof come to them. (Chapter 98 Verse 1).

All that is enjoined upon them is to believe in God by devoting themselves to SERVE God?s deen with sincerity, and uphold the commitments and keep them pure. That is the Way of uprightness (Dee-nan-hunafa). (Chapter 98 Verse 5)

The way of uprightness is measured by personal commitments to the deeds as detailed in His scripture. We know this because of Chapter 98 Verse 5. One recommended way of upholding the commitments is to observe-

Your Lord has decreed that you shall NOT SERVE except Him, and honor your parents for as long as they live, one of them or both of them. You shall not speak harshly to them, nor mistreat them; you shall speak to them amicably, and lower for them the wings of humility and kindness and say, ?My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have brought me from infancy?. (Chapter 17 Verse 23-24)

If we serve God and keep this one simple covenant, try to imagine the global impact of such a movement. This is the world that Islam is meant to envision. Thus, in the drive to achieve this ideal, we are required to submit to what He has prescribed, then we must uphold our commitments and keep them pure. This decree is not a new revelation to the last prophet because the same decree was given to Moses for the Children of Israel. They were told to uphold their commitments and to keep them pure when the same decrees were prescribed to them.

We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, ?You shall NOT SERVE except God. You shall regard the parents, the relatives, the orphans, and the poor. You shall speak to them amicably. You shall uphold your commitments and keep them pure. But you turned away, except a few of you, and you became averse?. (Chapter 2 Verse 83)

In a similar tone, we are expected to uphold our commitments if we submit to God by observing-

You shall observe God, whom you swear by, and regards the relatives. God is watching you. You shall give the orphans their due properties and do not substitute the bad for the good, nor shall you consume their money by mixing their properties with yours. This would be a gross injustice. (Chapter 4 end of Verse 1 and Verse 2)

Whatever decree revealed by God to the Children of Israel is again revealed to the last prophet and those who submit are reminded to uphold their commitments and to keep them pure. He repeats in many places in the Quran that those who believe in Him should SERVE Him and observe Him through their commitments and they should keep them pure. God?s covenants are the things what He prescribes in the scripture. He reminds us about his servants? obligations to fulfill the covenants every now and then-

You shall not touch the orphan?s money, except for their own good until they grow up. You shall fulfill you covenants. You are responsible for your covenants. You shall give full measure when you trade, and weight with an equitable balance. This is better and more righteous. Do not accept anything if you are not sure. You are given the hearings, the eyes, and the mind to examine and verify. (Chapter 17 Verse 34-36)

The Muslim claims of submission to God can therefore be put to the litmus test by observing their commitment to their covenants. Islam is by the creator?s design, a Way of Life characterized by deeds and merit, and by those deeds you shall recognize them.

The Arabs who insist that their followers should continue to recite God?s scripture in Arabic will have them parroting the verses of the Quran without fulfilling their commitments or gaining any merit. Praying ritually is not the Islam revealed by God. His prescribed way demands a price of service and sacrifice. Anyone can pray.

The innovators of the Arabic religion insist a good Muslim must pray ritually five times a day facing Mecca. This is the most important commitment and the first pillar of their faith. That this is true remains to be proven to this day. The Quran does not state a need to fulfill commitments by prayer. It never has, it never will.

Thus, they have corrupted one of the most important words in the Quran and subsequently one of the most important concepts in Islam. They prevented the people from upholding their commitments according to the covenants prescribed by God in the scripture. They twist the word Sol-laa that means commitments to become ritual prayer.

Before exploring the misrepresentation of the word Sol-laa, let us explore the Quran and its instruction regarding worship. The author trusts that the reader is fully capable of drawing his or her own conclusions from a book with a higher pedigree than his.

GOD IS NOT TO BE 'WORSHIPED'

This concept makes the Torah, Gospel, and the Quran different than any book authored by men.

All humans need to lead a righteous Way of Life according to the prescribed covenants by upholding their commitments and to keep them pure. None of them can fulfill these commitments through the act of worship or ritual prayer. They have to observe their commitments through the individual act of submissions to SERVE the Lord of the Universe.

(Wama qolaq-tul jin-ni wal-ain-sa il-laa li-ya?budun)

(Chapter 51 Verse 56)

And I did not create the jinns and the humans except for Serving Me.

Thus, simply, the Quran has explained our purpose here on earth. We are created to serve, not to worship. We have been created in the grand design that we serve by deeds, not by thought. The misrepresentation of the word SERVE (ta?budu) to mean worship has had dire consequences on the Islamic landscape.

The word serve ta?budu or ya?budun derived from the word ?Abd which means servant NOT worship. All the humans are servants of God. Therefore they have to Serve and be Subservient or submit (sujud) to Him Alone. There are several derivatives from the word ?Abd (servant). For example, the following verse is in reference to Jesus the son of Mary and the angels closest to God.

Laiyas-tabkifu masih?u ai-yakuna a?bdan lil-lah wa-lal-malaikatu muqor-robun. Waman yas-tankifu ?an-?ibada-tihi was-yastakbir fa-sayah shuru-hum ilai-hi jami?an (Chapter 4 Verse 172)

Never will the Messiah disdain from being a Servant (a?bdan) of God nor the close Angels. Anyone who refuses from Serving (ibada-tihi) Him and turned arrogant, surely He will gather them to Him, all of them.

The Messiah was pure but he was not disdainful to be a servant to God, It is the duty of a servant to SERVE his master. The duty is to serve and not worship. It would seem strange for any household to have a platoon of servants worshipping their employer. Where is the logic in that?

God is Omniscient and Omnipotent. I would venture that He does not need anything from us. He does not need our petty sacrifices of food or self-imposed pilgrimages. He does not need our promises. But if we have pledged a promise, it is our duty to fulfill our promises. He wants us to put His Words into action and Just Do It. A servant has to observe his commitments or become useless.

Similarly there are angels who are close to God and they also SERVE their master. The word Abdan in this verse means servant. The same verse also uses another derivative i.e. ibada-tihi to mean doing the serving to Him. The Messiah and the closest angels did not worship their God. They were too busy doing His work and SERVING Him.

Here is another derivative from the root word 'Abd written in the Quran which means Serving and not worship-

(Wa-nah-nu lahu a?bidun) (Chapter 2 Verse 13

And to Him we are Serving (Chapter 2 Verse13

(Was-alman arsalna min qoblika min-rosulina aj?alna min-dunir-rohman ali-hatan ya?budun.) (Chapter 43 Verse 45)

And ask those whom We have sent from before you among the messengers if We have set other than the Merciful as gods for them to be Served.

Simply put, all service must be revealed through deeds. The world is full of good intentions.

There is a verse in the Quran, which is chanted daily by the followers of the Arabic religion during their ritual prayers. The Arabs deceived them by saying the word na?budu (Serve) a derivative from the word ?Abd means worship. Each time they pray they declare, ?You alone we Worship and from you alone we ask for help?; despite the fact that God has never told anyone to worship Him, everyday the masses keep chanting, You alone we Worship. What was ordained actually, we are encouraged to remind ourselves constantly that we are serving the one who created us and we are seeking the grace and pleasure from Him alone.

Eiya-ka-na?budu wa-eiya kanas-ta?ain. (Chapter 1 Verse 5)

You alone we Serve and You alone we ask for help.

We cannot butter up the God by performing rituals. There is no barter system. We receive the guidance from God due to his Mercy we do NOT deserve. In order to qualify, we are simply required to SERVE Him by fulfilling our covenant with GOD. That is the contract.

Bro I can't worship God in a building/structure; I'd rather serve God.

Peace

bmbmm

Salam,

Sorry repeated so all deleted lol

unknownuser

Bro bmm

I skimmed through your comment quick as I'm at work

bro you got me wrong, Masjid is a place where you worship Allah, now if you want to worship in a corner in the street then that corner is a Masjid

no tricks here, i will show further compelling examples

Masjid does not mean building, I never said that actually, IT MEANS ANY PLACE WHATSOEVER WHERE PEOPLE PERFORM SIJOOD TO ALLAH, even if you did it in a plane then the plane becomes a Masjid, NOT FOREVER rather during the time of Sijood only

do you get it bro?

peace

unknownuser