Who is the Messenger in 81:19 ?
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Peace bro
it is prophet Mohammad 100%
Allah does not need to praise Gebril that much really, especially we can't see him, we only required to believe in his existance without seeing him, therefore it must be about Mohammad as Allah clearly is encouraging us to follow him by prasing his qualities and telling us about His favours given to Mohammad, we also know that we are required to OBEY the prophets and clearly it says in 8121 that he is OBEYED, logically speaking we are not required to Obey Gebril
as well 8121 described him as Honest "Amin" and we know that Mohammad was given the title Al Amin
Peace
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Kindly explain the following, please
8123
And he saw him by the clear horizon.Who saw whom on the clear horizon??
Thanx.
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Kindly explain the following, please
8123
And he saw him by the clear horizon.Who saw whom on the clear horizon??
Thanx.
Peace
This is a confirmation from Allah that what Mohammad said about seeing Gebril in the horizon during the Wahi time is true by Mohammad
i.e. Mohammad saw Gebril in the horizon during Wahi times, 8122 confirms this context as 8122 tells us "and your mate is not hulicinating"
peace
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Also bro
I believe that anyone who believes that these verses are about Gebril is wrong as we are not required to obey Gebril therefore to describe Gebril as being obeyed and honest does not make sense because Gebril is not unique within the angels in his honesty, I bet all are as honest lol also humans don't obey the angels as I said, so who is obeying Gebril you reckon?
well, other angels might be obeying him, but why we need to know that?
ironically most sunni believe that these verses are about Gebril, but the truth as I see it that Gebril was only mentioned in 8123 when Allah told us that Mohammad is not crazy when he said that he saw Gebril in the horizon
peace
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peace ahmed,
you wrote
This is a confirmation from Allah that what Mohammad said about seeing Gebril in the horizon during the Wahi time is true by Mohammad
i.e. Mohammad saw Gebril in the horizon during Wahi times, 8122 confirms this context as 8122 tells us "and your mate is not hulicinating"
brother ahmed just to satisfy my curiosity i want to know why others couldnt see gebril when he appeared in the horizon?
peace.
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peace brother Ahmed .
Peace bro
it is prophet Mohammad 100%
Allah does not need to praise Gebril that much really, especially we can't see him, we only required to believe in his existance without seeing him, therefore it must be about Mohammad as Allah clearly is encouraging us to follow him by prasing his qualities and telling us about His favours given to Mohammad,
we cant see Muhammad either .
we also know that we are required to OBEY the prophets and clearly it says in 8121 that he is OBEYED, logically speaking we are not required to Obey Gebril
we are required to obey the messenger , not the prophet . i think . i ll check .
verse 69 40 makes the same statement , but there is no problem in accepting the messenger as Muhammad . but the reason for asking this question was verse 8120 which says
With power and influence from the One of the throne.which sounded more like refering to Gabriel .
what do u think ?
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Salamun alaikum
I have been thinking about 8122 for a few weeks now " and Your Companion is not One Possessed " . ( Y.A ). The Question That's been hammering my Mind is.............Who was Allah talking to in 8122 ??? Allah Could not have been addressing Prophet Muhammad then Or Could He ???
" and Your Friend is Not Crazy "..............Now , If Allah was talking To Muhammad The Messenger , Then Who Was This Friend ??? This Friend Could not have been Muhammad ......Please brothers and Sisters, could you Please Logically Explain To whom was this Verse Addressed ???
Thank you and God Bless You All , Cheers
almarh0m
" In the Assembly of Truth , Beside God the Omnopotent "
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Sura relationships or rather bridges;
8123//537
8122//5325318//171,2
5316//2830So sura 17,28,53,81 and the last 7 are actually talking about the one and the same person.
I THINK.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Do you realize what you are saying? That GOD ALMIGHTY praises some mere human being?
Whats wrong with that picture?
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peace ahmed,
you wrote
This is a confirmation from Allah that what Mohammad said about seeing Gebril in the horizon during the Wahi time is true by Mohammad
i.e. Mohammad saw Gebril in the horizon during Wahi times, 8122 confirms this context as 8122 tells us "and your mate is not hulicinating"
brother ahmed just to satisfy my curiosity i want to know why others couldnt see gebril when he appeared in the horizon?
peace.
Peace mate
simple bro, if the angel are visible to all of us then the pupose of the test id defeated, but when messenger sees him then come and tell us that allah sent a message, the test will not be defeated
but don't worry bro we will see the angels for sure as the Quran told us, but only when they come to take our souls and sure the wrong doers will be bashed by them then
peace
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peace brother Ahmed .
Peace bro
it is prophet Mohammad 100%
Allah does not need to praise Gebril that much really, especially we can't see him, we only required to believe in his existance without seeing him, therefore it must be about Mohammad as Allah clearly is encouraging us to follow him by prasing his qualities and telling us about His favours given to Mohammad,
we cant see Muhammad either.
sure but we can see and hold the Quran which was delivered by mohammad
we also know that we are required to OBEY the prophets and clearly it says in 8121 that he is OBEYED, logically speaking we are not required to Obey Gebril
we are required to obey the messenger , not the prophet . i think . i ll check .
if a messneger os a prophet then we are required to follow both, i have a big article that i'm putting down regarding this confusion of a prophet and a messenger but it will take me very long time to finish
verse 69 40 makes the same statement , but there is no problem in accepting the messenger as Muhammad . but the reason for asking this question was verse 8120 which says
With power and influence from the One of the throne.of course all messnegers and prophets has power and influence from Allah, we read about moses that he spilt the sea, now it is not moses who did , but the power and influence from allah that made him doing it, same with jesus who raised the dead, again it was powerd and influneced by Allah, same with the messengers who asked for the punishment for their people like Lut and noah, and Allah granted them theoir request
which sounded more like refering to Gabriel .
what do u think ?
thanks .no bro it sounds to me more about mohammad, "Obeyed and Amin and our friend (mohammad) is not crazy" and the other reasons i explained earlier and it is all logical
Peace mate
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Salamun alaikum
I have been thinking about 8122 for a few weeks now " and Your Companion is not One Possessed " . ( Y.A ). The Question That's been hammering my Mind is.............Who was Allah talking to in 8122 ??? Allah Could not have been addressing Prophet Muhammad then Or Could He ???
" and Your Friend is Not Crazy "..............Now , If Allah was talking To Muhammad The Messenger , Then Who Was This Friend ??? This Friend Could not have been Muhammad ......Please brothers and Sisters, could you Please Logically Explain To whom was this Verse Addressed ???
Thank you and God Bless You All , Cheers o
almarh0m
" In the Assembly of Truth , Beside God the Omnopotent "
)Peace bro
I did expalined logically to whom the verses are referring, but if the issue that puzzles you is the word companion "Sahebakom", then you should know that it confirms it is about Mohammad, thanks for the hint, because Gebrill never been a friend to a grooup of humans "Kom" but Mohammad was, and bearing in mind that the verse was revealed during Mohammad life then Allah is talking to the humans at the time who saw and heard Mohammad and is telling them that your friend Mohammad is not carzy nor possesed, and for the humans who didn't see him, Allah is telling us that this happened in the past during Mohammad life, in fact we know that Mohammad was accused of being crazy and possesed and surely by some of his friends who were friends to him, then became enemies after Mohammad infomed them with the message from Allah
Peace
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Do you realize what you are saying? That GOD ALMIGHTY praises some mere human being?
Whats wrong with that picture?
Peace bro
of course I realize that, in fact that is what i tyold in my first comment to brother salahdin , Allah praised many of his prophets in the Quran and for Allah Mohammad is the greatest of'm all
now you tell me please what is wrong with that picture
peace
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Sura relationships or rather bridges;
8123//537
8122//5325318//171,2
5316//2830So sura 17,28,53,81 and the last 7 are actually talking about the one and the same person.
I THINK.
I will look at this and get back you mate
peace
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Peace Ahmed
you state
and for Allah Mohammad is the greatest of'm all
Wow, isn't that some heavy sunni influence roll
And u know who was the greatest in gods eyes shock
how i wish i would be that certain!
now, don't get me wrong, i never question about the god, i only question my understandings...lk
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Peace Ahmed
Peace Elke
you state
and for Allah Mohammad is the greatest of'm all
Wow, isn't that some heavy sunni influence roll
lol , come on Elke, don't give me this typical accusation by the Quran alone followers, if you read again you will see that I'm going against the Sunni in these verses, please read Ibn Kathir and see for yourself what he says about sura 81, now, how I based my understanding in why Mohammad is the greatest prophet from Allah presepective?, is a big reasearch and is not for the faint hearted really, and it is not Quran alone, rather Quran first, then the recofnised 4 Gospels, Barnabas Gospel, the Hindu Veda, the Dead Sea Scrolls and Hadith, and it is personal research not to promote it, I was only responding to the question directed at me and i responded logically not emotionally to be honest but I'm happy to share this research with you when both of us have some time
And u know who was the greatest in gods eyes shock
don't be shocked please, I didn't say I know, what I said is the verses are clear, Allah praised all prophets in the Quran and Mohammad was the most to be praised by Allah as one of His prophets and the last one as well, Allah also told us in the Quran that He gave favours to prophets more than others because He put some higher than others, therefore I'm talking based on what Allah said in the Quran that was delivered by Mohammad first then all the other sources of evidences I mentioned above confirmed it conclusivly, now from my prespective, mohammad is the same as moses as jesus as noah as the rest of prophets, I don't praise one more than another really so you have no point indeed to accuse me as being a sunni influneced muslim wink
how i wish i would be that certain!
now, don't get me wrong, i never question about the god, i only question my understandings...lk
sure but when both of us have plenty of time we can start this discussion one on one on a new thread and I will let you know sister when i do have time, it should be interesting topic
peace be with you
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salam.
could the messenger be Muhammad or is it necessarily Gabriel ?8119
It is the saying of an honourable messenger.8120
With power and influence from the One of the throne.8121
Obeyed, and trustworthy.8122
And your friend is not crazy.8123
And he saw him by the clear horizon.8124
And he has no knowledge of the future.8125
And it is not the saying of an outcast devil.thanks .
salam.Greetings Saladin,
81.19 in no way, shape, or form refers to Islam?s prophet.
It specifically refers to Jesus.
A complete exegesis can be found here.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58961#58961
Hope this helps...
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Greetings Saladin,
81.19 in no way, shape, or form refers to Islam?s prophet.
It specifically refers to Jesus.
peace Apple Pie .
jesus himself was a muslim . i.e 'islam's prophet' .i will checkout that thread .
According to sura 81, Jesus is more than a prophet....He is God Himself...
Check it out...