Reincarnation
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Salam,
I think if reincarnation is taken as a soul returning back to the matter (any) where its faculties can be expressed than I believe that. But things do get deviated when people say human soul reincarnated to a bush/pig/tree etc. Although pig might reincanate back into pig or something like a pig etc (of simillar "nature")
Peace
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peace
When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back.
"I will then work righteousness in everything I left." Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection.
Thusly, when we die we all have a barrier that separates our souls from this world till THAT day.
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peace
When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back.
"I will then work righteousness in everything I left." Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection.
Thusly, when we die we all have a barrier that separates our souls from this world till THAT day.
Peace bro
a very good point indeed, that barrier may be possibly the event horizon of a black hole, just an idea and not a concrete fact
peace
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Don't believe in it either.
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Salam,
Thank you all for giving your votes. Thanks dear Zein. I can't be away for long you know!
For me now "Yes" makes some sense. When I look into the ayat that speaks about death... I see that some of them use other words to refer to the "end".. words like "Qada na7bahu", "Tuwufeya" such words that give a meaning of Completion.
What I mean to say is that when a person passes away that does not necessarily mean that he/she has completed their course on earth. He/she may still have more time (something like jail/sentence or test time) on earth depending on the amount of his/her "karmic debt".
I see people who are so wise in spite of their young age! I would wonder how and when did they get that? The people who are born in poverty,, people who are born with incurable illnesses...why?
It does not matter whether we remember our past lives or not..as that is not the main issue. The important thing is to know that if we are being under some unexpected difficulties that this is maybe because there is a lesson that we failed to learn in a previous time and that is why we have not qualify to heaven.. so Allah, because Allah is Ra7eem, is giving us yet another chance to learn the lesson and also to become more accepting and appreciative of whatever comes our way...once we reach that level then the gate of Heaven is wide open but not before that.. Those who are given so many chances yet fail to learn and appreciate over and over again... they will have to go from one life cycle to another, locked in this world. That is the barrier. They will never have a rest. They would wish to do it right next time but then they won't,, they will only get worse (the bad guys I mean)... the barrier is to heaven, not to earth..
When Adam did wrong he was sent to earth (given a whole new life) and he would be in that mode till he gets it!
Now who of us is born with a brand new soul and would pass the test from the first time, and who is born with an old, returning soul? Is conception the only time when a soul would be created/entered or can souls switch among the living bodies at any age?Just my latest thoughts... I need to hear from you...
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Salam,
Thank you all for giving your votes. Thanks dear Zein. I can't be away for long you know!
For me now "Yes" makes some sense. When I look into the ayat that speaks about death... I see that some of them use other words to refer to the "end".. words like "Qada na7bahu", "Tuwufeya" such words that give a meaning of Completion.
What I mean to say is that when a person passes away that does not necessarily mean that he/she has completed their course on earth. He/she may still have more time (something like jail/sentence or test time) on earth depending on the amount of his/her "karmic debt".
I see people who are so wise in spite of their young age! I would wonder how and when did they get that? The people who are born in poverty,, people who are born with incurable illnesses...why?
It does not matter whether we remember our past lives or not..as that is not the main issue. The important thing is to know that if we are being under some unexpected difficulties that this is maybe because there is a lesson that we failed to learn in a previous time and that is why we have not qualify to heaven.. so Allah, because Allah is Ra7eem, is giving us yet another chance to learn the lesson and also to become more accepting and appreciative of whatever comes our way...once we reach that level then the gate of Heaven is wide open but not before that.. Those who are given so many chances yet fail to learn and appreciate over and over again... they will have to go from one life cycle to another, locked in this world. That is the barrier. They will never have a rest. They would wish to do it right next time but then they won't,, they will only get worse (the bad guys I mean)... the barrier is to heaven, not to earth..
When Adam did wrong he was sent to earth (given a whole new life) and he would be in that mode till he gets it!
Now who of us is born with a brand new soul and would pass the test from the first time, and who is born with an old, returning soul? Is conception the only time when a soul would be created/entered or can souls switch among the living bodies at any age?Just my latest thoughts... I need to hear from you...
Peace Taj
Not sure if I managed to understand your last comment well, i guess i can find out by raising a question, do you believe that some souls will come back in different bodies for another chance?
after you answer please, I will reply to your last comment in details
cheers
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Peace all,
i used not to "believe" but to have a strong sensation of reincarnation when still a kid.
When i first came to islam (around age 20) i rejected the idea, but since then my understanding has changed.
Things that happended in my life during the last few years made me go back to this believe and looking at the state of the earth roll it just makes more sens to me.
I do share the above expressed views of bm and sawtooth on the question and don't see an absolute contradiction between the possibility of reincarnation and the coranic verses cited above.
The ancient viewed the cycles of life of an individual as "one life" and this life can be ended as cited in 23.99-100 when we come to a point of no return...
And Taj - u always surprise me! )
elke
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Peace taj and all. I believe in reincarnation. The exact details i have yet to verify!! Many traditions,texts and peoples experiences are present,so we can learn from these. Some of the ideas of buddhism and hinduism make sense to me. However the 'karmic debt' idea i believe can be misused. Some people can use this idea to justify a 'caste' system or to justify poverty and suffering. Your idea about returning to life to 'get things right this time' ,and the righteous being rewarded with 'heaven' is one of the basic principles of buddhism. The cycle of rebirth is only broken when one reaches enlightenment or nirvana which is the aim of buddhism.
Personally i believe that all beings are eternal,but shift into different bodies or dimensions after death. my main question is do we retain our memories,knowledge and experiences after death? ...Otherwise we may have to learn from the start all over again!! Or do we retain our knowledge from one dimension,but have to learn/apply new specific knowledge to function in the new dimension? (i think the second option makes more sense,but i havent verified this topic yet.)
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Peace,
Understanding re-incarnation as 'coming back to life as a different living being in this world', I answered no. This verse as well as 2399-100 seems to speak clearly against re-incarnation;
Or it(the soul) should say when it sees the punishment Were there only a returning for me, I should be of the doers of good.
I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.
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I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.
neither me and i'm reading it for over 25 years in its original language lol , it must be big quran secret indeed
but let's think basics for a moment, a baby is born knowing absolutely nothing, then lived till 60 years old, during these 60 years, that person learnt a lot, let's assume that perosn was Einestien for argument sake, then when he died, his very knowledgable soul started again from square one as another baby who knows nothing, very laughable indeed, and sure i can see the chain of knowledge in it lol lol
peace
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I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.
neither me and i'm reading it for over 25 years in its original language lol , it must be big quran secret indeed
but let's think basics for a moment, a baby is born knowing absolutely nothing, then lived till 60 years old, during these 60 years, that person learnt a lot, let's assume that perosn was Einestien for argument sake, then when he died, his very knowledgable soul started again from square one as another baby who knows nothing, very laughable indeed, and sure i can see the chain of knowledge in it lol lol
Salam a bit of knowlwdge and a bit of bullshit you mixed here. When we die and are resurected the knowledge is there. The Soul does not start from square one.
Peace
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I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.
neither me and i'm reading it for over 25 years in its original language lol , it must be big quran secret indeed
but let's think basics for a moment, a baby is born knowing absolutely nothing, then lived till 60 years old, during these 60 years, that person learnt a lot, let's assume that perosn was Einestien for argument sake, then when he died, his very knowledgable soul started again from square one as another baby who knows nothing, very laughable indeed, and sure i can see the chain of knowledge in it lol lol
Salam a bit of knowlwdge and a bit of bullshit you mixed here. When we die and are resurected the knowledge is there. The Soul does not start from square one.
Peace
well, not sure who is saying BS here mate, i guess it is you because my comment was for what sawtooth said about the continuity of knowledge through Reincarnation not through Resurrection
i never said anything about the Resurrection really, i guess the subject is about Reincarnation
do you understand the difference bro?
salam and good night
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I haven't ever seen any Quranic evidence for re-incarnation.
neither me and i'm reading it for over 25 years in its original language lol , it must be big quran secret indeed
but let's think basics for a moment, a baby is born knowing absolutely nothing, then lived till 60 years old, during these 60 years, that person learnt a lot, let's assume that perosn was Einestien for argument sake, then when he died, his very knowledgable soul started again from square one as another baby who knows nothing, very laughable indeed, and sure i can see the chain of knowledge in it lol lol
Salam a bit of knowlwdge and a bit of bullshit you mixed here. When we die and are resurected the knowledge is there. The Soul does not start from square one.
Peace
well, not sure who is saying BS here mate, i guess it is you because my comment was for what sawtooth said about the continuity of knowledge through Reincarnation not through Resurrection
i never said anything about the Resurrection really, i guess the subject is about Reincarnation
do you understand the difference bro?
salam and good night
Salam bro,
I do understand the difference. I look at them as one thing, e.g after resurrection.
Peace
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peace
When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back.
"I will then work righteousness in everything I left." Not true. This is a false claim that he makes. A barrier will separate his soul from this world until resurrection.
Thusly, when we die we all have a barrier that separates our souls from this world till THAT day.
I don't think this necessarily means no reincarnation. See how it says "I will then work rigtheousness in everything I left", meaning that the person who wants to come back would correct things he did wrong etc. Perhaps the barrier is a mental one... once we are reincarnated, there is a barrier between our new life and old life, so we can't remember the old life, and hence we can't fix the mistakes we did in the old life, though we can learn to improve all the time and not repeat the same mistakes if we continue growing.
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Peace be upon you all,
I believe in reicarnation, key word is BELIEVE. I believe that when one dies, they continue to exist with the same mental condition they left with, hopefully it will be a peaceful mindstate.
I believe the verses being used to reject it can be read as the person wanting to go back to the life they just left, but the answer is no, they will be going to a new life where they will be repaid just what they earned. There are many lessons of life to learn.
Some even claim they can see past lives through the tool of meditation, but I have not verified that personally.
Why does the God always say "Remember?"