Scientific theory Reincarnation&Afterlife
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Peace,
Reincarnation is based on teachings of a school around a 100BC, they 'infected' Buddhism and Hinduism with this doctrine, as it never mentioned by Buddha or in the Veda's. And this spread throughout the continents. So firstly it has no theological bases being known in the religions. Also the Quran refers to 'previous' existence if we understand correctly, and ofcourse next life, but not in the understanding of the dogma of reincarnation like we mostly refer to.
The story of Buddha and the General
"What do you mean with re-birth?"The General asked ; "When you were younger, you went to military school? Was the person who went to the school, the same person when he finished the training?"Asked the Buddha;"No, i guess not"The General said;"The younger person who went for education died, the person who finished the training, wasn't that younger person anymore, wasn't he? The younger untrained you, died, and was reborn again in the trained version. The untrained you, died, and the trained you was born, but they are both you. This cycle goes on your whole life."Said the Buddha.This is gonna be a real short scientific theory intro, i hope it will be enough.
We know now through Quantum physics, that the material world around us, is not based on 'loose' particles with empty space between them. Now it is shown with experiments, that there is no empty space, all is filled with energy. We live in one gigantic energy field. This energy field is even bigger then our universe, and probably encompasses al universes. So this means if you move your arm, you 'push' aside energy, and this will have effect throughout the whole field, it will not have huge effect, but it is like your in a pool, and you cause ripples and currents when you splash your arms, not just around you, but in the whole pool.
The reality around us is based on different levels of worlds, that all are fixed in this field. Your organs are made out of cells, the cells out of cytoplasma, the cytoplasma out of molecules, the molecules out of neutrones,protones,elektrones, these are based on quarks and energy waves, these are again based on smaller waves and then you will end up in infinity, you will end up in a giant pool of energy. So these all form different levels of worlds that are all formed out of one source. The Quantum Vacuum. We are like icecubes flaoting in water, made out of the same substance, but are on different levels. One of the key factors they have found out is that time doesn't exist in this field. They 'linked' two molecules in a lab, they split them up, but they found out it doesn't matter how far the molecules are separated, they remain 'linked', what happens to one molecule will effect the other. And this goes with the speed of billion times the light speed. If they let the molecule change its spin, immidiatly the other molecule will also adapt its spin as it were next to the other molecule while in reality they were miles apart.
Also something they discovered through various experiments is that this field can contain information. They found this out through resonant fields that remained after experiments. What they did in the lab, had a remaining effect in the field, like it 'remembered' what they did during their experiments. This came about in lots of different labatories. Also neurologists started to work with them that are specialized in memory. They think they have enough evidence that most memory is stored in the Quantum vacuum, and not your brain. It is like the field workes as a gigantic 'memory'. The ripple of something that happened in the vacuum, from a movement to a thought, will cause a ripple in the field, because you use the vacuum's energy, the molecules that are used in those processes are all formed out of the field. So all that is done with those molecules and particles will effect the vacuum. So even all your thoughts are inprinted in the vacuum. It is like the mother-Book that is mentioned in the Quran and other revelations. It doesn't forget, your actions and all the actions of everything made out of the field, of all the creations that ever were and are now are stored as ripples in the field. Our brain can tap into the field, it can trace our own 'frequency' it seems. Experiments with mice showed, that every time they burned away a little part of the brain, they hoped to determine were memory lies. So they learned the rats to follow mazes, everytime they burned a part of the brain, the mice still remembered how to walk the maze. Even after burning away 70% of the brains, the mice still knew the way, they hardly could drag themselves, their limb-functions were minimum, but the memory remained. After a lot of these types of researches on memory like this, and most show, that as long a little part remains, even when the limbs can't even function properly anymore, the connection with the information remained. So this shows the brain is far more likely to be a transmitter, a link between the information, your 'frequency', then the storage of the information. This gave a whole new implacation to neurology.
The field is now common knowledge in science, from higher physics to doctors, all have shown results our conceptions of the vacuum are proven true. There were some neurologists who found out some people are more sensetive for the vacuum then others, that could tap in more then just their energy ripple in the vacuum. They could see other peoples memories and what people were doing in the room next door. These were proven in multiple labs and experiments. So the idea started that our bodies could maybe also pick information up from the field, maybe from people already deceased. This would be really logical, as most experiments show, the vacuum exists and the vacuum also stores all information in ripples of all that happened inside its creations, then it is highly likely sensitive people could also pick up information of already deceased persons. Not only their memory, but also their bodies picking up features as birth-marks that also is stored and picked by the cells of your bodies. So this explains why there are such detailed stories by kids about people living hundreds of years ago. Why they can pick up foreign languages, feel you. Why animals feel you, why pets like dogs now their boss is dead, without being there to see it, they 'feel' it. Sensetive people can pick up any information caused by humans, and thinking they're 'mediums' of deceased people or they're telephatic. They're not, they're just....more sensetive.
They came on this thought because in most experiments, children till the age of 8, were the most sensetive for picking up information in the field. And most recordings of past lives came from children, this is a logical link, so the hypothese is backed by scientifical confirmations from other branches of sciences. This also gave explanations on prophecies by peoples on events, why people know a love-oned died the moment it happens without being there, why you know somebody stares at your back, why the heartbeats of people in room after a time synchronize, why twins can sense each other across the world, why kids(who are the most sensetive with picking up info from the vacuum)can speak foreign languages without ever learning. This is because we are all linked through the Quantum vacuum and pick up information that is stored in the field. Even NASA is now busy with trying to see if they van use this vacuum as energy source for their rockets. It is researched for using it as a communication-device, using the 'linked' molecules as signals.
This explained so many mysteries as gravity and cell-communication and so on. They mostly call it the Quantum vacuum, Quantum foam or the Zero point Field, because the energy remains below 0 kelvin, while all matter stops being active at this tempature.
Also one of the implications of this all, was the understanding of the emerging of the universe and how it handles information. One of the most worked out theories, is that like i told above, all information of everything that ever happenend inside the quantumfield, will be stored, 'remembered' by the field. It sounds really like the 'mother-book' the Quran talks about. This universe will die out one day, all energy and matter will loose all their movement, and so the universe will 'die'. One of the most basic theories is, is that
1.all will implode and form a new bigbang.
2. all will be dragged into black holes, and then will create a new bigbang on the other side of the holes.So a new bigbang is the most likely thing that will occur, but now watch, all the information stored by the Quantumfield still remains, that cannot be deleted. And labs-tests shows, matter and energy follow the 'ripples' inside the field, they frollow the information. So this means, all energy will form new matter, just in our bigbang, it will dispurse and seperate and follow the same speed, just like in our universe 'version'. It will form stars and planets, while following this blue print, stored inside the field. Matter will follow the 'grooves' allready made in our universe. But this also means our universe will also create life again! This means humans will develope again, and will follow a growth in knowledge. You will be created again, because you are also still part of the blue print. Does this already starting to sound familiar with something? But here's the catch, the energy and matter, will follow the most dominate 'ripples'. So if you have done mostly good in your life, this will be more dominate in your next ''you". The acts you have done most in life, will dominate your next "you". These are just theories, but these are made without scientists ever thought of linking them to the 'afterlife'. And these are becoming more and more theories that are accepted, because of the evidences are pilling up. So a person doing 'good' now, as his/her most dominate act, will affect your next you in a serious matter, this same applies to doing 'bad'. Somebody living 'heaven', because of his previous life doing good, somebody living 'hell' because of doing bad previously.
The higher a society becomes, the more higher it will get in the 'next' universe. So everything you do now, will have serious effect on the 'next'creation. From what you do as an individual, to what society as a whole does. This is why Islam/submission is needed, because we will create a better version in the hereafter, litteraly.
It is hard to explain so much information in such a small topic. But these are becomming more and more highly accepted theories now. Is this maybe a scientific approach to the afterlife? Godwilling we know more in time.
I can recommend the book by L.McTaggert; The Field, and Cosmic vision and also The Reenchanted cosmos by E.Laszlo. I also have more titles but they are in dutch, since a lot of dutch Quantum Physicus are researching this. But these are books that explain it in a simple and amazing way.
These are some sites that can give you more information
http//users.erols.com/iri/ZPENERGY.html
http//www.endlesssearch.co.uk/science_wayofexplorer.htm
See this site for simple intro under Quantum foam
http//www.abarim-publications.com/QuantumMechanicsIntroduct ion.htmlhttp//www.sheldrake.org/
http//www.wddty.co.uk/thefield/noflash/about_book2.asp
http//www.calphysics.org/research.html
http//twm.co.nz/zpf_haisch.htm
http//www.peterussell.com/index2.html
http//www.quantumconsciousness.org/
This is just a short intro on a wide wide subject, and if people want i can give them some articles, it to bad i can't post them, or can i? I don't see a function to post them. If one knows, tell me.
Peace all
Arnold
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Thank you, it is God whp provides us with this information, i'm just sharing. There are some books about now, and the most interresting thing is, that they avoid calling it the afterlife, while it is so clear. When i started reading these things, all verses about the afterlife in the Quran coincided with this information. I hope in time to write a bigger topic on it, with also the verses involved, but that is exactly what i want to discuss with people. If this theory coincides with the Quran verses, to me it clearly does to the point. But i like other peoples ideas..
Peace
P.S. Go buy the book from E.Laszlo, re-enchanted cosmos, he has given to most interresting approach to this.
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Peace Arnold,
Excellent summary!
Just a couple of things you might want to address in your refining process...
As I recall, the Qur'anic description of the Hereafter includes in concrete terms a separation between those who have gained paradise and those who have not. If we follow the storyline as you have laid it out, the next big-bang will give birth to more of the same, albeit amplified, but with no separation.Also, you mentioned the communication of molecules. Perhaps this was an oversight but the communication was not between molecules - it was between subatomic particles.
And lastly, you mentioned that children are most receptive before the age of 8 but you have not explained why this is. I believe this explanation is important, for, we should all be striving to get back to that state of mind.
Peace,
Tayp.s. I've gotten a little further in "The Field" and noticed some similarities with "the Holographic Universe". Do you buy into holographic theory?
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Peace,
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently. Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
And this was just a real short sum-up, i want to write more articles later on. I can really recommend you the books of Ervin Laszlo. As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time. So let's sit back and enjoy this rollercoaster.
Peace
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Peace Arnold,
Is the theory of reincarnation you presented above and all those links you provided, based upon Quran? Do you think anyone should believe in it? What are your own views? Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
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Peace Arnold,
You stated
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently.
I'm very interested in hearing your understanding, as my own breaks from tradition but certainly is far from solid.
Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
I agree that prior dogma has infected Islamic thinking, but the Qur'an itself declares a day of gathering
3440 And on the Day when He gathers them all, He will say to the Angels "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
How do you reconcile this?
And this was just a real short sum-up, i want to write more articles later on.
Of course. Like I said, please take the criticism as constructuve a refining tool. If these questions come to my mind, then I presume other readers may formulate similar thoughts. And bouncing ideas off of each other is what this whole mutual consultation thing is all about, right?
I can really recommend you the books of Ervin Laszlo.
Thanks. He's on my list. I'd just like to get through these few books before I get anymore.
As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time.
Have any authors that you know of taken this double-edged view, or have you found that most prefer one camp over the other? Personally, I'm leaning on the holographic side simply because it clicks for me. But, I realize that my understanding of quantum physics and string/m theory is severely lacking so until I further educate myself, I'll hold off on any cheerleading.
So let's sit back and enjoy this rollercoaster.
Indeed. Reminds of what this Vietnam vet used to say about acid
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Arnold,
Is the theory of reincarnation you presented above and all those links you provided, based upon Quran? Do you think anyone should believe in it? What are your own views? Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Peace,
If you had read more carefully you would have read that it is against reincarnation and that it talks about resurrection. So yes, it coincides even perfectly with the Quran. I'm busy now with compliling the verses and the Quantum physics theory i gave above.
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Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Subtle jab, thanks. I actually have been writing down a lot of notes and formulating thoughts on the subject recently. I will be writing a long article on this subject (heaven/hell/judgment/divine justice) in the near future, except if God wills. Suffice it to say, I largely agree with arnold's statements in the "fate" thread, i.e. heaven and hell are soul-states, and not physical places, our actions "judge" our selves through God-created cause-and-effect laws; very similar to Parwez's Law of Requital.
Peace.
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Peace Arnold,
You stated
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently.
I'm very interested in hearing your understanding, as my own breaks from tradition but certainly is far from solid.
you already can read it partialy on the 'what's fate' thread, in time we can discuss it further as i'm still researching a lot.
Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
I agree that prior dogma has infected Islamic thinking, but the Qur'an itself declares a day of gathering
3440 And on the Day when He gathers them all, He will say to the Angels "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
How do you reconcile this?
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement. You see the difference? Try to put in Era in stead of Day with every verse in the Quran, and you will see that it talks about different periods in your excistence, and not specific one day. Look at the verse now
3440 And on the Era when He gathers them all, He will say to the ones in control/responsibility "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
You see that it gives a moment in the Era, not specifying that is the only timeperiod. I see this throughout the Quran. A moment in the Era when they are gathered, we can both easily understand what the gathering means. But also that this is just one phase in the Era. The phase started with the creation of our souls, and when it will end.............i'm still not sure.
As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time.
Have any authors that you know of taken this double-edged view, or have you found that most prefer one camp over the other? Personally, I'm leaning on the holographic side simply because it clicks for me. But, I realize that my understanding of quantum physics and string/m theory is severely lacking so until I further educate myself, I'll hold off on any cheerleading.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Peace
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Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Subtle jab, thanks. I actually have been writing down a lot of notes and formulating thoughts on the subject recently. I will be writing a long article on this subject (heaven/hell/judgment/divine justice) in the near future, except if God wills. Suffice it to say, I largely agree with arnold's statements in the "fate" thread, i.e. heaven and hell are soul-states, and not physical places, our actions "judge" our selves through God-created cause-and-effect laws; very similar to Parwez's Law of Requital.
Peace.
Peace,
I really recommend you books from Ervin Laszlo before you formulate any theory further, it will change your look on life and on the Quran. And if you want we can discuss about our thinking on heaven and hell to work them more out. PM me if you want...
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Peace arnold.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm definitely willing to discuss with you. My notes so far are a mishmash of verses and jotted thoughts in what is mostly Caveman-speak. It'll take some time before I set those thoughts into organized writing; I'm studying for the Bar Exam for now. ( I'll be in touch with you though, except if God wills.
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Peace Arnold,
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement.
Makes sense, and I agree.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Kind of... well, the "hologram" of Maria as you've described it doesn't really incorporate the holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram. Seems like it just happens to be using one principle - the "ominjective" universe, which is relevant.
In any case, I'll revisit this with you once I've gotten a firmer grasp of both theories.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Arnold,
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement.
Makes sense, and I agree.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Kind of... well, the "hologram" of Maria as you've described it doesn't really incorporate the holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram. Seems like it just happens to be using one principle - the "ominjective" universe, which is relevant.
In any case, I'll revisit this with you once I've gotten a firmer grasp of both theories.
Peace,
Taysalam alaykum
this part "holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram"
made me think about this superhologram
could this be the method in which God made this world but a VANITY
allahu ellem
any thoughts?
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Peace,
No i don't believe so as the Laws of Nature will not change, so the next life will be observed with the same Laws and tools. The only difference i believe is that we haven widened our view of our potentials. Because there are a lot of things we can do we don't know we can. So Djenna, the hidden garden, i believe are the hidden potentials inside mankind and this creation we are unfolding. So in the next life we know more about the creation and we can handle reality better, and by thus make better decisions and create a better world that cannot be compared with this world.
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Peace Amanda,
You asked
could this be the method in which God made this world but a VANITY
The universe as a superhologram is still in it's infancy as a theory. What I've understood thus far certainly makes sense to me, but then again, I'm no scientist. I would suggest researching the topic. There is a wealth of info available online and in books. Here's a snippet from "The Holographic Universe".
...it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage--simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information.
Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through ome gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horselike", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly.
Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information--another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with ever other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of a cross-correlated system.
The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through he senses into the inner world of our perceptions.
An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists.
Peace,
Tay