Scientific theory Reincarnation&Afterlife
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Peace Arnold,
Excellent summary!
Just a couple of things you might want to address in your refining process...
As I recall, the Qur'anic description of the Hereafter includes in concrete terms a separation between those who have gained paradise and those who have not. If we follow the storyline as you have laid it out, the next big-bang will give birth to more of the same, albeit amplified, but with no separation.Also, you mentioned the communication of molecules. Perhaps this was an oversight but the communication was not between molecules - it was between subatomic particles.
And lastly, you mentioned that children are most receptive before the age of 8 but you have not explained why this is. I believe this explanation is important, for, we should all be striving to get back to that state of mind.
Peace,
Tayp.s. I've gotten a little further in "The Field" and noticed some similarities with "the Holographic Universe". Do you buy into holographic theory?
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Peace,
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently. Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
And this was just a real short sum-up, i want to write more articles later on. I can really recommend you the books of Ervin Laszlo. As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time. So let's sit back and enjoy this rollercoaster.
Peace
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Peace Arnold,
Is the theory of reincarnation you presented above and all those links you provided, based upon Quran? Do you think anyone should believe in it? What are your own views? Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
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Peace Arnold,
You stated
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently.
I'm very interested in hearing your understanding, as my own breaks from tradition but certainly is far from solid.
Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
I agree that prior dogma has infected Islamic thinking, but the Qur'an itself declares a day of gathering
3440 And on the Day when He gathers them all, He will say to the Angels "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
How do you reconcile this?
And this was just a real short sum-up, i want to write more articles later on.
Of course. Like I said, please take the criticism as constructuve a refining tool. If these questions come to my mind, then I presume other readers may formulate similar thoughts. And bouncing ideas off of each other is what this whole mutual consultation thing is all about, right?
I can really recommend you the books of Ervin Laszlo.
Thanks. He's on my list. I'd just like to get through these few books before I get anymore.
As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time.
Have any authors that you know of taken this double-edged view, or have you found that most prefer one camp over the other? Personally, I'm leaning on the holographic side simply because it clicks for me. But, I realize that my understanding of quantum physics and string/m theory is severely lacking so until I further educate myself, I'll hold off on any cheerleading.
So let's sit back and enjoy this rollercoaster.
Indeed. Reminds of what this Vietnam vet used to say about acid
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Arnold,
Is the theory of reincarnation you presented above and all those links you provided, based upon Quran? Do you think anyone should believe in it? What are your own views? Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Peace,
If you had read more carefully you would have read that it is against reincarnation and that it talks about resurrection. So yes, it coincides even perfectly with the Quran. I'm busy now with compliling the verses and the Quantum physics theory i gave above.
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Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Subtle jab, thanks. I actually have been writing down a lot of notes and formulating thoughts on the subject recently. I will be writing a long article on this subject (heaven/hell/judgment/divine justice) in the near future, except if God wills. Suffice it to say, I largely agree with arnold's statements in the "fate" thread, i.e. heaven and hell are soul-states, and not physical places, our actions "judge" our selves through God-created cause-and-effect laws; very similar to Parwez's Law of Requital.
Peace.
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Peace Arnold,
You stated
Tay, i have some differences in thinking about heaven and hell as i explained in 'What's fate' thread, so i don't believe this seperation, or let's say i approach it differently.
I'm very interested in hearing your understanding, as my own breaks from tradition but certainly is far from solid.
you already can read it partialy on the 'what's fate' thread, in time we can discuss it further as i'm still researching a lot.
Also i believe YaumweDeen is approached wrong, as i believe it refers to phases of the soul being judged and not that it just one special day, this idea comes from the Egyptians and has haunted Islam ever since, just like the heaven and hell concept.
I agree that prior dogma has infected Islamic thinking, but the Qur'an itself declares a day of gathering
3440 And on the Day when He gathers them all, He will say to the Angels "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
How do you reconcile this?
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement. You see the difference? Try to put in Era in stead of Day with every verse in the Quran, and you will see that it talks about different periods in your excistence, and not specific one day. Look at the verse now
3440 And on the Era when He gathers them all, He will say to the ones in control/responsibility "Was it you that these people used to worship?"
You see that it gives a moment in the Era, not specifying that is the only timeperiod. I see this throughout the Quran. A moment in the Era when they are gathered, we can both easily understand what the gathering means. But also that this is just one phase in the Era. The phase started with the creation of our souls, and when it will end.............i'm still not sure.
As for the holographic theory, there are strong connections between 'that the world is in the mind' as in 'the world creates the mind', i believe it is both. The 2 theories will be worked out in time.
Have any authors that you know of taken this double-edged view, or have you found that most prefer one camp over the other? Personally, I'm leaning on the holographic side simply because it clicks for me. But, I realize that my understanding of quantum physics and string/m theory is severely lacking so until I further educate myself, I'll hold off on any cheerleading.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Peace
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Perhaps mquran and cavendoctor should pop in here and give their views. I hope you got my point.
Btw, its very interesting and I sure tend to lean towards it.
Subtle jab, thanks. I actually have been writing down a lot of notes and formulating thoughts on the subject recently. I will be writing a long article on this subject (heaven/hell/judgment/divine justice) in the near future, except if God wills. Suffice it to say, I largely agree with arnold's statements in the "fate" thread, i.e. heaven and hell are soul-states, and not physical places, our actions "judge" our selves through God-created cause-and-effect laws; very similar to Parwez's Law of Requital.
Peace.
Peace,
I really recommend you books from Ervin Laszlo before you formulate any theory further, it will change your look on life and on the Quran. And if you want we can discuss about our thinking on heaven and hell to work them more out. PM me if you want...
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Peace arnold.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm definitely willing to discuss with you. My notes so far are a mishmash of verses and jotted thoughts in what is mostly Caveman-speak. It'll take some time before I set those thoughts into organized writing; I'm studying for the Bar Exam for now. ( I'll be in touch with you though, except if God wills.
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Peace Arnold,
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement.
Makes sense, and I agree.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Kind of... well, the "hologram" of Maria as you've described it doesn't really incorporate the holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram. Seems like it just happens to be using one principle - the "ominjective" universe, which is relevant.
In any case, I'll revisit this with you once I've gotten a firmer grasp of both theories.
Peace,
Tay -
Peace Arnold,
You have to understand that there will be a period when there will be no more humans on earth, all souls will be on the Quantum field level, and are by thus 'gathered', and the forces of nature(malikah=things/beings in authority/control/responsibility) are metaphorically spoken to. All souls when 'gathered' in the Quantum field will be confronted with the truth as all information is stored in the Quantum field. So this verse talks about one phase of the Era of Judgement.
Makes sense, and I agree.
I'm more with the Quantum field as this explains almost everything we didn't understood and opened new doors for progress, and is proven in labs and is not just a theory like the holographic theory. But i believe there is one part of the holographic true as like the sight seeing of Maria in the skye by a whole crowd, this can be explained that the frequency of everybody's brain pattern was picked up through the Quantum field and was by thus shown in everybody's brain as a hologram. You see how these two combine?
Kind of... well, the "hologram" of Maria as you've described it doesn't really incorporate the holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram. Seems like it just happens to be using one principle - the "ominjective" universe, which is relevant.
In any case, I'll revisit this with you once I've gotten a firmer grasp of both theories.
Peace,
Taysalam alaykum
this part "holographic theory of the universe as a superhologram"
made me think about this superhologram
could this be the method in which God made this world but a VANITY
allahu ellem
any thoughts?
amanda -
Peace,
No i don't believe so as the Laws of Nature will not change, so the next life will be observed with the same Laws and tools. The only difference i believe is that we haven widened our view of our potentials. Because there are a lot of things we can do we don't know we can. So Djenna, the hidden garden, i believe are the hidden potentials inside mankind and this creation we are unfolding. So in the next life we know more about the creation and we can handle reality better, and by thus make better decisions and create a better world that cannot be compared with this world.
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Peace Amanda,
You asked
could this be the method in which God made this world but a VANITY
The universe as a superhologram is still in it's infancy as a theory. What I've understood thus far certainly makes sense to me, but then again, I'm no scientist. I would suggest researching the topic. There is a wealth of info available online and in books. Here's a snippet from "The Holographic Universe".
...it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage--simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information.
Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through ome gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horselike", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly.
Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information--another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with ever other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of a cross-correlated system.
The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through he senses into the inner world of our perceptions.
An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists.
Peace,
Tay