The meaning of Islam

unknownuser

"you sound like a kiddo anyway, i guess i have to ignore your bum "

With this type of lingo-

Perfectly possible to lose all credibility according to my understandings of the quran Br.

Sincerely.

unknownuser

"you sound like a kiddo anyway, i guess i have to ignore your bum "

With this type of lingo-

Perfectly possible to lose all credibility according to my understandings of the quran Br.

Sincerely.

oh come on

what creditability you are talking about exactly?

i said there is roots of 2,3,4,5 letters

the kiddo said there is 3,4,5

someone added that there is also 2 letters root

i confirmed and said there is 3,4,5,6

what is the kiddo problem exactly other than being a kiddo?, and it seems you are trying hard since i jouined to join him, fine you joined him

oh yeh he meant when i said there 2 letters root and there is not?

well he didn't say that there is roots with six letters either lol

I hope you like this lingo and don't forget to shove that crediabilty you are talking about into some place you like

el-Aziz

I checked the grammars book I have and found that the root can be 3,4,5,6 letters, i will bring some examples later

You still claim to be a native Arab speaker? P

hey smart arse, how old are ya?

you sound like a kiddo anyway, i guess i have to ignore your bum

...still you don't.

unknownuser

I checked the grammars book I have and found that the root can be 3,4,5,6 letters, i will bring some examples later

You still claim to be a native Arab speaker? P

hey smart arse, how old are ya?

you sound like a kiddo anyway, i guess i have to ignore your bum

...still you don't. )

you mean not ignore your bum?

well, it is not offical yet but it is in the process of being so

let me give you the reasons before it is offical

you called me a liar directly, then
you called me a liar indirectly

and honestly anwar, you won't be able to take my punches if i decide to punch you, but i decided to ignore your bum instead

now it is offical unless you say sorry for calling me a liar

unknownuser

Hey mate ,

you said

"I hope you like this lingo and don't forget to shove that crediabilty you are talking about into some place you like"

I think you won't like that though.

Thanks for the offer.

unknownuser

Hey mate ,

you said

"I hope you like this lingo and don't forget to shove that crediabilty you are talking about into some place you like"

I think you won't like that though.

Thanks for the offer.

LOL

Well, possibly we have some sort of misunderstanding here, we have confused the public arena indeed

how about you state where you like to shove it and i will confirm if it will be allowed wink

unknownuser

Peace be upon you all,

Insults, punches?

All in the course of discussing PEACE? Ridiculous. Why waste our time?

Someone

Peace be upon you Someone,

Would you defend yourself if attacked?

Yes, that would be "keeping the peace", and hopefully my mental state would still remain at peace while I am defending myself so that I dont go overboard and kill the person, which might happen if I let my emotions have free reign. Peaceful mindstate must always be kept as best as possible.

Peace upon you idolfree1,

So it is only a matter of word's choice, but we are basically talking about the same thing ) as long as you are keeping your god-given right to defend yourself and yours...

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unknownuser

Peace be upon you Someone,

I apologize but I got lost. I will state that we agree if you are stating that the goal is to remain at peace at all times, even when we have to defend ourselves because we dont want to be revengeful, only protect, thats why we are never aggressors.

Someone

Peace be upon you Someone,

I apologize but I got lost. I will state that we agree if you are stating that the goal is to remain at peace at all times, even when we have to defend ourselves because we dont want to be revengeful, only protect, thats why we are never aggressors.

Peace be upon you idolfree1,

Indeed, the goal is to remain at peace at all times even when defending ourselves, not being revengeful nor agressors.

On the other hand, we should also keep acquiring knowledge (and by implication strength), in order to keep our means of defense up-to-date, be it physical or mental. The enemies of the god won't miss an occasion to have the upper hand.

The god the peace is also the all-mighty, the most powerful.

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progod

Ahmed,

and honestly anwar, you won't be able to take my punches if i decide to punch you, but i decided to ignore your bum instead

now it is offical unless you say sorry for calling me a liar

WHoah! How did I get pulled into that? I didn't make those comments.

Secondly, El-Aziz

Not really. In classical Arabic, shaddas don't even exist. The word hajj springs springs from Hebrew chet - gimel or chag (meaning festival or holiday) and is pronounced like doubling the ladder whilst its not really a matter of two letters. It works very much like English it that could fully accurate be transcribed as itt while its not a matter of an actual three lettered word.
When it comes to b?b, I assume you "traced" this root from openburhan (which by the way is an excellent tool)? I can assure you there is nothing implying that there's a waw hidden somewhere in the origin of that word. B?b is also just b?' - b?' in classical Arabic. The later alef was inserted to clarify the stress and to separate it from a possible babb

Here is where you get Classical Arabic and the developed script for classical Arabic confused. When I speak about Classical Arabic and it's roots understand the language and the script are 2 different things. Baab always came from a three letter root which shows in how it is changed into 'bawwaab' to mean 'gate-keeper' and bawaabat to mean 'gate'. The native speaker of Classical Arabic understood that when he said baab with the emphasis in the middle that here is an alif in there that can transform to a waw or a yaa. (which is why some grammarians aren't always sure whether the alif's original root is a ya or waw with words like thse). Shaddahs always existed even before they knew how to accurately write it, because shadda means a 'strenghtening' or 'emphasis' and was invented to describe what actually happens to the sound. The sound is doubled and pronounced that way because the speaker understands that there are 2 of that sound there. LIke in Shadda, when you say it you put emphasis on the dal because you know that there are two dals there. IF there were only two radicals there then that second dal would not be able to disattach itself to make the word shadeed. or shidaad. We can't liken it to 'it' because that would be like comparing apples with oranges. English is a totally different animal. The 't' in it can be doubled or transform into 'd'. But we should even be dealing with this because it is not an Arabic verb.

Classical Arabic and the script that it uses are two different things. The script came from Aramaic script, which was a very deficient script, just like its son the Arabic script. It didn't have symbols or ways to represent what was really being pronounced. So as the scripts progress people added new symbols to make the script more efficient. They also did there best to represent the orginas of the words sometimes as well, which is why you'll see 'salaat' in the Quran with a 'waw' in some scripts.(the people who chose a script tried tro show how some people said salawat and other salaat' and the the origin comes from a 'waw'. Hebrew script is just as bad. In early Arabic script there was no way to tell the difference (when reading) between raas and zays or jeems, haas or khaas. THere was obviously a difference in the spoken langauge but the scripts were crap ( and in my opinion they still are). They stayed that way for a long time because most people memorized written texts and they served only as a general guide. Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic still continue in that same tradition, where the reader has to already know the Arabic words and guess from the context when he or she reads, in order to read correctly.

In modern day texts they still leave out shaddas and other diacriticals because reading relies on the readers knowledge of popular usages and context skills. So Junaah and Janaah are still spelled the same way. Kurraam and kiraam are spelled the same way, and sometimes the author will put a diacritical so that the reader won't confuse what he means with another word (with the same root and general spelling) that can also make sense in the context.

All in all. Just because in ancient texts (and even in modern ones) the shadda wasn't written doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It existed in the pronunciation of the word and the proof of there being no such thing as 2 letter roots is that the last letter splits into two whenever you want to change the word's form into forms that depend on 3 letter roots. Shadeed from shadda, hadeed from hadda, qissees from qassa, qisaws from qawssa, ishtaat from shatta etc.

Please let go of the idea that there are 2 letter root words (meaning that they are verbs) in Arabic, my dear brother El-Azeez. I hope I've made it clear that this is a mistaken idea.

Godbless,
Anwar

Ahmed, looking forward to see thsoe 5 letter or 6 letter roots. But again I wasn't the one that made those scoffing comments. Check again.

el-Aziz

Anwar,

thank you very much for this brief lesson of semitic languages. I already knew this and not any of what you just explained could further establish your claim that e.g. "hajj" is based on a three radical verb. In fact you actually explained yourself that the shaddah of hajj is nothing but a clarification of the pronounciation so that it's not confused with "haaj" (in ancient classical Arabic script, that is). Thus, "hajj" is originally written "haj/hag". Get it? Obviously you do...

Please let go of this id?e fix?e of yours. There's seriously NO language of the world that uses an equal amount of radicals for ALL verbs. Does that seriously make sense?

/S

progod

I don't think you are going to get what I"m saying. I honestly think you have a spirit of competition going on here. You also keep distorting what I"m saying. I don't think you fully read my post either.

The shadda does represent two letters. That is what I am saying. Otherwise hajja would not be able to split into all of its forms that have two jeems.

There's seriously NO language of the world that uses an equal amount of radicals for ALL verbs

Seconly I never said this. I said that Arabic bases its verbs off of 3 & 4 letter roots. And that goes for ALL of its verbes. But NONE of its verbs have roots based off of two letters unless you don't want to recognize that the emphasis on the last letter and the way it splits up represents TWO of the same letter.

I gave you a lesson Arabic script. It doesn't matter who hajj was originally written it only matters how it was pronounced and how it morphs into its different froms. Shadeed was originally writtten sadeed and nizaa' was originally written niraa'. The original Arabic script is deficient and no sound conclusion would be based on it.

Godbless,
ANwar

el-Aziz

Shadeed was originally writtten sadeed and nizaa' was originally written niraa'. The original Arabic script is deficient and no sound conclusion would be based on it.

...just like hajj was originally typed h(a)j. There's no way you can trace hajj back two three radicals.
J?' is another two-radicaled verb, btw.

unknownuser

Peace el-aziz. Nice definition of islam being the opposite of disharmony. D

progod

El-Aziz,

...just like hajj was originally typed h(a)j. There's no way you can trace hajj back two three radicals.
J?' is another two-radicaled verb, btw.

Oh my God!! You are stubborn )

Let me put it to you like this. h(a)j(a) is pronounced with emphasis on the jeem (old Arabic deficient script did not have a way to write this). However If you take this word in its forms like its plura h(u)j(a)j or any other form of the word that jeem becomes two jeems and works magically as if that jeem represented two radicals like q(i)t and it's plural q(i)t(a)t.

Like I said if that jeem wasn't really two jeems (even though you can't see it in the script, because the script was crap)

. . . hajja would not be able to split into all of its forms that have two jeems
.

Godbless,
Anwar

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Someone,

Indeed, the goal is to remain at peace at all times even when defending ourselves, not being revengeful nor agressors.

On the other hand, we should also keep acquiring knowledge (and by implication strength), in order to keep our means of defense up-to-date, be it physical or mental. The enemies of the god won't miss an occasion to have the upper hand.

The god the peace is also the all-mighty, the most powerful.

Yes, I agree. D

almarh0m

Salaam Brethren

" Do they seek For other than the Religion of Allah ? - While all Creatures in the heavens and on earth Have, willing or Unwilling, Bowed to His Will ( accepted Islam ). And to Him shall they All be brought back . Qur'an 383 ( AYA ) .

"A fa ghaira Diinillahi Yabghuuna walahuu aslama man fis samaawati wal ardhi thau'aw wa karhaw wa ilaihi yurja'uun .

According to the above Verse of the Qur?n , all and sundry in this Universe is a Muslim. or is my Understanding of this Verse is wrong ???

If the above Verse means as I take it to mean , Then Why is the Term Muslim and Islam only applied to 'Adherents of Qur?n and/or Hadiths 'and not to other Religions ???

Finally, is there a Verse in the Qur?n where Allah or His Messengers addressed the People as "O Muslims "... ??? Please help enligten me and my folks about this Verse . My heartfelt Thanks and may God Bless you all . Peace

Almarh0m

"The One Who Created me, It is He who Guides me "

ayman

Peace brother,

" Do they seek For other than the Religion of Allah ? - While all Creatures in the heavens and on earth Have, willing or Unwilling, Bowed to His Will ( accepted Islam ). And to Him shall they All be brought back . Qur'an 383 ( AYA ) .

"A fa ghaira Diinillahi Yabghuuna walahuu aslama man fis samaawati wal ardhi thau'aw wa karhaw wa ilaihi yurja'uun .

According to the above Verse of the Qur?n , all and sundry in this Universe is a Muslim. or is my Understanding of this Verse is wrong ???

I think that the key words that you are perhaps missing in your understanding are "willing" or "unwilling". It is of course better to submit willingly. If one doesn't do it now, then one will go to hell and thus submit unwillingly.

If the above Verse means as I take it to mean , Then Why is the Term Muslim and Islam only applied to 'Adherents of Qur?n and/or Hadiths 'and not to other Religions ???

All religions (millat) are manmade. Even monotheism is manmade (it is thus called "millat Ibrahim" not "millat Allah&quot. The religion of Ibrahim was simple. He submitted to his Lord and he advised his descendants with the same (2131-132). The word "islam" is not the hollow name of some Abassid era religion. It is an action that we are obligated to do. The word "din" means "obligation" not "religion".

Finally, is there a Verse in the Qur?n where Allah or His Messengers addressed the People as "O Muslims "... ??? Please help enligten me and my folks about this Verse . My heartfelt Thanks and may God Bless you all .

There is no such passage in the great reading.

Peace,

Ayman

progod

Hey, I stand corrected. I found some 6 letter root words

Iqsha&arra To tremble in fear (alif, qaf, sheen, &ain, ra, ra)
itma'anna THis word is in the Quran and it is also a 5 letter root word. (alif, taw, meem, hamza(alif), noon, noon)
ih-ranjama To gather together (alif, haa, raa, noon, jeem, meem,)

So there are 6 letter root words. I have a feeling that these are realy 5 letter root words, because the alif, in common with all these
seems to be an addition. If that is the case and there are 5 letter root words(which i think is really the truth) then I still stand corrected because I said there were no 5 letter roots.

Godbless,
Anwar