The meaning of Islam
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Peace be upon you Someone,
I apologize but I got lost. I will state that we agree if you are stating that the goal is to remain at peace at all times, even when we have to defend ourselves because we dont want to be revengeful, only protect, thats why we are never aggressors.
Peace be upon you idolfree1,
Indeed, the goal is to remain at peace at all times even when defending ourselves, not being revengeful nor agressors.
On the other hand, we should also keep acquiring knowledge (and by implication strength), in order to keep our means of defense up-to-date, be it physical or mental. The enemies of the god won't miss an occasion to have the upper hand.
The god the peace is also the all-mighty, the most powerful.
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Ahmed,
and honestly anwar, you won't be able to take my punches if i decide to punch you, but i decided to ignore your bum instead
now it is offical unless you say sorry for calling me a liar
WHoah! How did I get pulled into that? I didn't make those comments.
Secondly, El-Aziz
Not really. In classical Arabic, shaddas don't even exist. The word hajj springs springs from Hebrew chet - gimel or chag (meaning festival or holiday) and is pronounced like doubling the ladder whilst its not really a matter of two letters. It works very much like English it that could fully accurate be transcribed as itt while its not a matter of an actual three lettered word.
When it comes to b?b, I assume you "traced" this root from openburhan (which by the way is an excellent tool)? I can assure you there is nothing implying that there's a waw hidden somewhere in the origin of that word. B?b is also just b?' - b?' in classical Arabic. The later alef was inserted to clarify the stress and to separate it from a possible babbHere is where you get Classical Arabic and the developed script for classical Arabic confused. When I speak about Classical Arabic and it's roots understand the language and the script are 2 different things. Baab always came from a three letter root which shows in how it is changed into 'bawwaab' to mean 'gate-keeper' and bawaabat to mean 'gate'. The native speaker of Classical Arabic understood that when he said baab with the emphasis in the middle that here is an alif in there that can transform to a waw or a yaa. (which is why some grammarians aren't always sure whether the alif's original root is a ya or waw with words like thse). Shaddahs always existed even before they knew how to accurately write it, because shadda means a 'strenghtening' or 'emphasis' and was invented to describe what actually happens to the sound. The sound is doubled and pronounced that way because the speaker understands that there are 2 of that sound there. LIke in Shadda, when you say it you put emphasis on the dal because you know that there are two dals there. IF there were only two radicals there then that second dal would not be able to disattach itself to make the word shadeed. or shidaad. We can't liken it to 'it' because that would be like comparing apples with oranges. English is a totally different animal. The 't' in it can be doubled or transform into 'd'. But we should even be dealing with this because it is not an Arabic verb.
Classical Arabic and the script that it uses are two different things. The script came from Aramaic script, which was a very deficient script, just like its son the Arabic script. It didn't have symbols or ways to represent what was really being pronounced. So as the scripts progress people added new symbols to make the script more efficient. They also did there best to represent the orginas of the words sometimes as well, which is why you'll see 'salaat' in the Quran with a 'waw' in some scripts.(the people who chose a script tried tro show how some people said salawat and other salaat' and the the origin comes from a 'waw'. Hebrew script is just as bad. In early Arabic script there was no way to tell the difference (when reading) between raas and zays or jeems, haas or khaas. THere was obviously a difference in the spoken langauge but the scripts were crap ( and in my opinion they still are). They stayed that way for a long time because most people memorized written texts and they served only as a general guide. Arabic, Hebrew and Aramaic still continue in that same tradition, where the reader has to already know the Arabic words and guess from the context when he or she reads, in order to read correctly.
In modern day texts they still leave out shaddas and other diacriticals because reading relies on the readers knowledge of popular usages and context skills. So Junaah and Janaah are still spelled the same way. Kurraam and kiraam are spelled the same way, and sometimes the author will put a diacritical so that the reader won't confuse what he means with another word (with the same root and general spelling) that can also make sense in the context.
All in all. Just because in ancient texts (and even in modern ones) the shadda wasn't written doesn't mean that it didn't exist. It existed in the pronunciation of the word and the proof of there being no such thing as 2 letter roots is that the last letter splits into two whenever you want to change the word's form into forms that depend on 3 letter roots. Shadeed from shadda, hadeed from hadda, qissees from qassa, qisaws from qawssa, ishtaat from shatta etc.
Please let go of the idea that there are 2 letter root words (meaning that they are verbs) in Arabic, my dear brother El-Azeez. I hope I've made it clear that this is a mistaken idea.
Godbless,
AnwarAhmed, looking forward to see thsoe 5 letter or 6 letter roots. But again I wasn't the one that made those scoffing comments. Check again.
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Anwar,
thank you very much for this brief lesson of semitic languages. I already knew this and not any of what you just explained could further establish your claim that e.g. "hajj" is based on a three radical verb. In fact you actually explained yourself that the shaddah of hajj is nothing but a clarification of the pronounciation so that it's not confused with "haaj" (in ancient classical Arabic script, that is). Thus, "hajj" is originally written "haj/hag". Get it? Obviously you do...
Please let go of this id?e fix?e of yours. There's seriously NO language of the world that uses an equal amount of radicals for ALL verbs. Does that seriously make sense?
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I don't think you are going to get what I"m saying. I honestly think you have a spirit of competition going on here. You also keep distorting what I"m saying. I don't think you fully read my post either.
The shadda does represent two letters. That is what I am saying. Otherwise hajja would not be able to split into all of its forms that have two jeems.
There's seriously NO language of the world that uses an equal amount of radicals for ALL verbs
Seconly I never said this. I said that Arabic bases its verbs off of 3 & 4 letter roots. And that goes for ALL of its verbes. But NONE of its verbs have roots based off of two letters unless you don't want to recognize that the emphasis on the last letter and the way it splits up represents TWO of the same letter.
I gave you a lesson Arabic script. It doesn't matter who hajj was originally written it only matters how it was pronounced and how it morphs into its different froms. Shadeed was originally writtten sadeed and nizaa' was originally written niraa'. The original Arabic script is deficient and no sound conclusion would be based on it.
Godbless,
ANwar -
Shadeed was originally writtten sadeed and nizaa' was originally written niraa'. The original Arabic script is deficient and no sound conclusion would be based on it.
...just like hajj was originally typed h(a)j. There's no way you can trace hajj back two three radicals.
J?' is another two-radicaled verb, btw. -
Peace el-aziz. Nice definition of islam being the opposite of disharmony. D
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El-Aziz,
...just like hajj was originally typed h(a)j. There's no way you can trace hajj back two three radicals.
J?' is another two-radicaled verb, btw.Oh my God!! You are stubborn )
Let me put it to you like this. h(a)j(a) is pronounced with emphasis on the jeem (old Arabic deficient script did not have a way to write this). However If you take this word in its forms like its plura h(u)j(a)j or any other form of the word that jeem becomes two jeems and works magically as if that jeem represented two radicals like q(i)t and it's plural q(i)t(a)t.
Like I said if that jeem wasn't really two jeems (even though you can't see it in the script, because the script was crap)
. . . hajja would not be able to split into all of its forms that have two jeems
.Godbless,
Anwar -
Peace be upon you Someone,
Indeed, the goal is to remain at peace at all times even when defending ourselves, not being revengeful nor agressors.
On the other hand, we should also keep acquiring knowledge (and by implication strength), in order to keep our means of defense up-to-date, be it physical or mental. The enemies of the god won't miss an occasion to have the upper hand.
The god the peace is also the all-mighty, the most powerful.
Yes, I agree. D
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Salaam Brethren
" Do they seek For other than the Religion of Allah ? - While all Creatures in the heavens and on earth Have, willing or Unwilling, Bowed to His Will ( accepted Islam ). And to Him shall they All be brought back . Qur'an 383 ( AYA ) .
"A fa ghaira Diinillahi Yabghuuna walahuu aslama man fis samaawati wal ardhi thau'aw wa karhaw wa ilaihi yurja'uun .
According to the above Verse of the Qur?n , all and sundry in this Universe is a Muslim. or is my Understanding of this Verse is wrong ???
If the above Verse means as I take it to mean , Then Why is the Term Muslim and Islam only applied to 'Adherents of Qur?n and/or Hadiths 'and not to other Religions ???
Finally, is there a Verse in the Qur?n where Allah or His Messengers addressed the People as "O Muslims "... ??? Please help enligten me and my folks about this Verse . My heartfelt Thanks and may God Bless you all . Peace
Almarh0m
"The One Who Created me, It is He who Guides me "
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Peace brother,
" Do they seek For other than the Religion of Allah ? - While all Creatures in the heavens and on earth Have, willing or Unwilling, Bowed to His Will ( accepted Islam ). And to Him shall they All be brought back . Qur'an 383 ( AYA ) .
"A fa ghaira Diinillahi Yabghuuna walahuu aslama man fis samaawati wal ardhi thau'aw wa karhaw wa ilaihi yurja'uun .
According to the above Verse of the Qur?n , all and sundry in this Universe is a Muslim. or is my Understanding of this Verse is wrong ???
I think that the key words that you are perhaps missing in your understanding are "willing" or "unwilling". It is of course better to submit willingly. If one doesn't do it now, then one will go to hell and thus submit unwillingly.
If the above Verse means as I take it to mean , Then Why is the Term Muslim and Islam only applied to 'Adherents of Qur?n and/or Hadiths 'and not to other Religions ???
All religions (millat) are manmade. Even monotheism is manmade (it is thus called "millat Ibrahim" not "millat Allah". The religion of Ibrahim was simple. He submitted to his Lord and he advised his descendants with the same (2131-132). The word "islam" is not the hollow name of some Abassid era religion. It is an action that we are obligated to do. The word "din" means "obligation" not "religion".
Finally, is there a Verse in the Qur?n where Allah or His Messengers addressed the People as "O Muslims "... ??? Please help enligten me and my folks about this Verse . My heartfelt Thanks and may God Bless you all .
There is no such passage in the great reading.
Peace,
Ayman
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Hey, I stand corrected. I found some 6 letter root words
Iqsha&arra To tremble in fear (alif, qaf, sheen, &ain, ra, ra)
itma'anna THis word is in the Quran and it is also a 5 letter root word. (alif, taw, meem, hamza(alif), noon, noon)
ih-ranjama To gather together (alif, haa, raa, noon, jeem, meem,)So there are 6 letter root words. I have a feeling that these are realy 5 letter root words, because the alif, in common with all these
seems to be an addition. If that is the case and there are 5 letter root words(which i think is really the truth) then I still stand corrected because I said there were no 5 letter roots.Godbless,
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Hey, I stand corrected. I found some 6 letter root words
Iqsha&arra To tremble in fear (alif, qaf, sheen, &ain, ra, ra)
itma'anna THis word is in the Quran and it is also a 5 letter root word. (alif, taw, meem, hamza(alif), noon, noon)
ih-ranjama To gather together (alif, haa, raa, noon, jeem, meem,)So there are 6 letter root words. I have a feeling that these are realy 5 letter root words, because the alif, in common with all these
seems to be an addition. If that is the case and there are 5 letter root words(which i think is really the truth) then I still stand corrected because I said there were no 5 letter roots.Godbless,
AnwarHere we go
Later i will show you an example of 6 letters root
cheers
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To All my brothers and sisters in the forum,
Islam Submission
Salam PeaceWhile agreeing with the above I noticed a practical connection in the use of the 2 words in the Quraan . The connection is beautiful. For the meaning of Islam , answers are in the Quran. If Allah did not name our religion/deen as Islam and also if Abraham with Allahs will did not name us as Muslims (227 we would have invented thousands of different names for our religion and nation . Allah has made things clear.
Our Purpose here is to SURRENDER/SUBMIT (to the will of Allah) and our Goal is to achieve PEACE. And peace is the ultimate reward (37110, 37121)
Peace is the goal in many stages in our life,
- Peaceful heart/mind in this life and when we meet our Lord and to acheive paths of peace
2689 and 3784 (biqalbin salim)
516 (subulas sala_mi)- To achieve peace at Death
1632
1915
1933- To go to Allah as a calm/peaceful soul
8927 nafsul mutmainah
- To receive Salam(peace) from the Angels at death and the hereafter
3973 sala_mun alaikum
1324- To acheive peace in the hearafter
1546 sala_min a_minin(a)
1952 il la_ sala_ma
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To receive salam (peace) from Allah in this life like the prophets
( A greeting and an assurance from Allah)
37181 -
To receive salam (peace) from Allah and a Peaceful dwelling of the hearafter.
6127 ( da_rus sala_mi)
1025 da_ris sala_m(i)
3658The above is my basic observation and humble opinion of the Quraan (while not having knowledge in Arabic) and I maybe be wrong. These observations must be nothing new to many. Please correct me and add to my thinking if anyone has anything to offer from the Quraan.
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Peace and weldcome to the forum
just a quick note
2689 and 3784 (biqalbin salim)
means "a heart that is not sick", the verse has nothing to do with peace, but thanks for yet another example of showing how flawed the root method is
cheers
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Dear Ahmed
Peace
What is a "Heart that is not sick" ? Obviouslyyou did not mean it from the health/medical point of view.
How is the root method involved here . Does not the Quraan translate salim and its variations as peace in other places.Peace bro
Salim is commonly used as the opposite to something that is sick, broken or have a fault
for example
my car is Salimah i.e. my car is not broken down (the two letters ah at the end is because the car is feminine in arabic)
my heart is Salim means (my heart is not sick)
if I fall on the ground, someone may ask me "Inta Salim?", which means "if I'm hurt?" or "If I got an injury?"
if you drop a vase and it is broken then you say the vase is not Salimah "again the vase in arabic is feminine"
anything bro that does not have a fault, we described it as Salim or Salimah
even the food if we suspect that it is off and we discover that it is not, then the food is Salim
I hope this will clear it out
Cheers