Oracles
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Peace Idolfree1,
There are situations in life where Logic does not provide an answer. And reason comes too short. I try to search WISDOM and INSIGHT within my prayers and follow the voice of my HEART and for the rest I put my trust FOR 100% IN GOD. That is my Oracle.
peace,
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Peace Joe
Yeah, im just pretty comfortable with this 'tarot" system
http//www.research.com.pk/home/images/quran.jpg
I guess these stomach senses often just comes down to personal prefference, and the fact that most of the people i have known to tuse tarot cards, used the one from the order of the golden dawn (Aleister Crowley) and when i saw stars wars tarot, and lord of the rings tarot, i was a little like....ok, yeah whatever.
Magi
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Peace all,
590 O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tools of affliction used by the devil. You shall avoid them so that you may be successful.
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Peace,
Tarot and I-ching are things that will not help you, and can only force self-made prophecies. Instead of something really was going to happen, you listened to the 'prediction' and subconciously worked yourself towards this 'prediction'. My aunt dreamed ones i was called yasin by everybody, for the fun of it, i told a friend of mine her dream, he started to call me yasin for fun, then people took this over. After a while my aunt walked up to me, saying my dream has come true, but because of you or because it was meant to be true? I made this dream true, the dream didn't predict the future, it was something i MADE the future. This is the same with those oracles, exactly the same....
3179 God was not to leave the believers as they were without distinguishing the rotten from the good. And God was not to let you know the future, but God chooses from His messengers whom He wishes; so believe in God and His messengers. And if you believe and are righteous, then you will have a great reward.
650 Say "I do not say to you that I posses God's treasures, nor do I know the future, nor do I say to you that I am an Angel. I merely follow what is inspired to me." Say "Are the blind and the seer the same? do you not think?"
1020 And they Say "If only a sign was sent down to him from His Lord." Say "The future is with God, so wait, and I will wait with you."
1131 "Nor do I say to you that I have the treasures of God, nor do I know the future, nor do I say that I am an Angel, nor do I say to those whom your eyes look down upon that God will not grant them any good. God is more aware of what is in their souls; in such case I would be among the wicked."
1964 "And we are not sent except by the command of your Lord. To Him is our present and our future, and all that is in-between. And your Lord was never to forget."
1978 Did he look into the future? Or has he taken a pledge with the Almighty?
20110 He knows their present and their future, and they do not have any of His knowledge.
5241 Or do they know the future, thus they have it recorded?
335 Did he possess knowledge of the future? Could he see it?
6847 Or do they know the future? So they have it recorded?
8124 And he has no knowledge of the future.
Because you will focus on what these oracles tell you, you will form your life around them, and by thus they are formed into your idols......idolfree?
This is how idolatry works...Would you have predicted this post? You have to understand the psychology, that it is YOU who makes these prophecies come true, it is not that the predictions are true, you make them true....
People don't understand their own power and influence on what happens in their lifes. All what happens in your life, is because you in someway worked to it. We cannot overview all our influences on what will come later, by our behaviour now, God does....Peace
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I just read this today, and my first thought, as probably others is, how can I know if this is truthful or not. I am sure you must agree that it would be very easy for someone to come in here and prey on the emotions of others to get money. So what does one do when they dont want to miss the oppurtunity to help but are concerned about giving away much needed money due to deception?
I totally agree
Salam
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Peace be upon you Magi,
I am severealy sceptical.
Yes, you should be! D It would be foolish not to be, UNTIL you have worked with it and began to verify it.
Its like tarot cards, throwing of arrows or anything else.
Just to be clear, the Oracles I am talking about are not the same as Tarot. What I have learned is that Tarot is a lower form which, if true, only tells yuo Yes or No, without telling you WHY. Its like looking at an X Ray showing an enlared heart (tarot) and not knowing WHY you have it or what to do about it, compared to speaking to a doctor and him explaining to you why you have it and what to do about it (Metu Neter/I ching).
Whatever you draw, or whatever outcome you get, will be the one your looking for to explain your situation. Not because it is, but becuase youll make meaning out of whatever comes.
Yes, I have anticipated this response, as this is a very valid concern. However, I have experienced way too many verifications to say this is the case. I do not expect you to believe that UNLESS you try it fo yourself. I have also heard people say that your mind makes the events happen, however I have done readings where the event already happened. For example, I did a Metu Neter reading for what I would go through for a particular month, and the reading stated that I might need surgery, but when I did the reading, it was already one week into the month and 2 days before I had oral surgery.
Also, have you read through the I ching hexagrams? How is it that the two hexagrams I got regarding Feshari spoke very clearly?
But again, it will seem very silly to anyone who has not worked with it for any amount of time. I was the same way. So I am not here to push this too much because if you never work with it, then you will never understand it.
hmm..perhaps thats not so bad at all, as it can give people a push. But to belive its divine or "real", seem strange to me. I get my answers in another way. If this works for you....yay! bro
Thanks for the respect. However I would like yuo to address why Zakaraih was not reprimanded for using oracles in regards to caring for Mariam. Why was it even mentioned if there was not going to be any warning to him?
On the other hand, i often used to take the Quran in times of dispair, and flip up on a random page, and usually i would find what i needed to see on that page. So im not making any conclutions yet, but i have a bad "felling" about it for some reason.
Yes, I have had the same experiences with "Quran". Does not the God say that The Call to him will be answered? Also, does not the God say that "it was We who threw" when you thought it was just little old you? D
We are just manifestations of the ONE GOD, the VERY SAME ONE GOD is at the core of all beings. That is the basis of the Oracle. When you ask, then WE throw the cards or coins, and God answers. D
In conclusion, I base this conversation on the Divination of Zachariah in what was revealed t us, and the many instances in that which was revealed to those before us (not only bible which includes several instances of divination such as when they chose the replacement for Jesus disciple).
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Peace be upon you,
I want to reaffrim what someone else has already said, MOST people who use divination have no understanding of the system of divination, just like most people who follow any religion really have no understanding of it. any use divination as a party game, etc.
And again, the Oracles I am referring to are higher oracles whereas Tarot is a low oracle.
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Peace be upon you Arnold Yasin,
Tarot and I-ching are things that will not help you, and can only force self-made prophecies. Instead of something really was going to happen, you listened to the 'prediction' and subconciously worked yourself towards this 'prediction'. My aunt dreamed ones i was called yasin by everybody, for the fun of it, i told a friend of mine her dream, he started to call me yasin for fun, then people took this over. After a while my aunt walked up to me, saying my dream has come true, but because of you or because it was meant to be true? I made this dream true, the dream didn't predict the future, it was something i MADE the future. This is the same with those oracles, exactly the same....
I respect your doubt. My question to you is, how many Metu Neter or I ching readings have you done to CONFIRM your statements? If your answer is NONE, how can you say "exactly the same"?
As I stated in an earlier post, I did a reading where I asked a question about what to expect during a certain month when the month had already started a week ago, and the answer I got was that surgery might be needed, I had oral surgery two days before that. How could I have MADE the past?
Further, I have done readings for friends of mine that they have forgotten about, but when these things come to pass and I remind them of it, they are stunned.
Let me clarify at this point that what is being referred to by the Oracles is which ENERGIES (malaika if you will) are in charge of a certiain aspect of your life. Everything you do in life is goverened by certain ENERGIES, the oracle is speaking to that, it is not telling the future. The instance regarding surgery was given based on the combination of the energy called Herkhuti in Metu Neter system which deals with war, cutting, etc a very fiery energy and that was combined with another energy that narrowed it down. But again, unless you work with it for a while, then you rightly should be skeptical.
So for now, lets deal with the verses.
3179 God was not to leave the believers as they were without distinguishing the rotten from the good. And God was not to let you know the future, but God chooses from His messengers whom He wishes; so believe in God and His messengers. And if you believe and are righteous, then you will have a great reward.
We do not know the future except through God's messengers, and that is what the God sends to us through Oracles. "It was not you who threw but WE threw".
650 Say "I do not say to you that I posses God's treasures, nor do I know the future, nor do I say to you that I am an Angel. I merely follow what is inspired to me." Say "Are the blind and the seer the same? do you not think?"
Divination is not fortune telling, fortune telling is a scam which disrespects ancient culture. Divination speaks to the Energies that are in charge of a certain event. This allows us to be PREPARED, not to know what exactly what is going to happen. Do you see the difference? If Oracles could tell you exactly what was going to happen, then there would be Millions of lottery winners
1020 And they Say "If only a sign was sent down to him from His Lord." Say "The future is with God, so wait, and I will wait with you."
1131 "Nor do I say to you that I have the treasures of God, nor do I know the future, nor do I say that I am an Angel, nor do I say to those whom your eyes look down upon that God will not grant them any good. God is more aware of what is in their souls; in such case I would be among the wicked."
1964 "And we are not sent except by the command of your Lord. To Him is our present and our future, and all that is in-between. And your Lord was never to forget."
1978 Did he look into the future? Or has he taken a pledge with the Almighty?
20110 He knows their present and their future, and they do not have any of His knowledge.
5241 Or do they know the future, thus they have it recorded?
335 Did he possess knowledge of the future? Could he see it?
6847 Or do they know the future? So they have it recorded?
8124 And he has no knowledge of the future.
As I stated , this is not fortune telling, it speaks about ENERGIES. It lets you know what ENERGIES are in charge of a certain event so that you can prepare yourself for whats coming, even though you dont know exactly what that might be.
Let me ask you a question now that you have listed all those verses about the future. How is it that Joseph knew there would be 7 years famine? How did Joseph predict the dreams of the men in jail? How does this match up to your understanding of knowing the future (or the energies involved)? Keep in mind that Joseph, like all others are our EXAMPLES, meaning that we have the potential of all our examples.
Because you will focus on what these oracles tell you, you will form your life around them, and by thus they are formed into your idols......idolfree?
Yes, idolfree. Therefore I will not walk into anything blindly nor promote anything of this nature that I have not tested myself. I give you again the example of readings done for others who did not take it seriously and forgot about the readings but they still came true. As well as readings done about the past.
This is how idolatry works...Would you have predicted this post?
Actually, it would not be hard to predict a negative response to divination But no, thats not how the Oracle works. YOu have pre concieved ideas about divination based on the foolishness on TV or some circus side show. And I understand and respect your doubts. All I am saying is check it out before you reject it, especially when Zakariah used it himself and he is also our example of one who the malaika came to while in "salaat".
You have to understand the psychology, that it is YOU who makes these prophecies come true, it is not that the predictions are true, you make them true....
People don't understand their own power and influence on what happens in their lifes. All what happens in your life, is because you in someway worked to it. We cannot overview all our influences on what will come later, by our behaviour now, God does....I understand the power of belief without doubt. However, as I stated, there are readings done on others that come true, therefore I had no input, then there are readings of the PAST, as well as readings done on others that they dont know about. How can you explain that?
Anyway, I am just putting this out there for those who would like to check it out for themselves. I am here to tell you that The God wants to talk to you personally! And I am not afraid to come out and promote this. I am prepared for the rejection, but thats part of the job
I've just seen too much at this point that I cant hold it back any longer.
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Peace be upon you Johnny K,
Could you please send a website, if possible, from where to do the "Metu Neter/Ijing" readings?
Metu Neter readings are done using Metu Neter Oracle cards. You wont be able to find them online, if you do let me know! The I CHING is very ancient and well known, just google it and you will find all you need. However, the key, as with all things, is the interpretation. I can help you with that.
Also is it possible that you make some readings regarding myself, bros Edip Yuksel and Arnold Yasin? GOD Bless!
Certainly. God bless you as well.
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Peace "idolfree".
Certainly. God bless you as well.
JK- Ok then. Do we need to do something or can you just srtrt off? Reharding I Ching i found http//www.facade.com/iching/ and entered my name there. I tried many times and found various readings, all somewhat +ve but different in style. Seems like cold readings. Cannot find anything significant. GOD Bless!
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Peace "idolfree",
http//www.randi.org/jr/112301.html
The James Randi Education Foundation has included I Ching and other divination on the challenge list. If it were true somebody would have already claimed the million dollars. They do these experiments under controlled conditions. I havent found anything on Metu Neter there but you could claim a million dollars if you succeed in such a reading. GOD Bless! -
Peace be upon you JK,
JK- Ok then. Do we need to do something or can you just srtrt off?
You can do I ching yourself. I will help you with the interpretation. But first, what is your question? What do you want to know about?
Reharding I Ching i found http//www.facade.com/iching/ and entered my name there. I tried many times and found various readings, all somewhat +ve but different in style. Seems like cold readings. Cannot find anything significant. GOD Bless!
Forget that , just get three pennies and we can start.
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Peace be upon you JK,
The James Randi Education Foundation has included I Ching and other divination on the challenge list. If it were true somebody would have already claimed the million dollars. They do these experiments under controlled conditions. I havent found anything on Metu Neter there but you could claim a million dollars if you succeed in such a reading. GOD Bless!
I will not waste my time with that foolishness. That would be like a sunni offering 1 million dollars to prove hadith should not be followed. Do you realize they would never pay that? So lets keep the same criteria for this. There is a lot of foolishness that you can find, but you have to dig deep for the true essence, have you not found that to be true? I have dug deep.
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Peace "idolfree",
I will not waste my time with that foolishness. That would be like a sunni offering 1 million dollars to prove hadith should not be followed. Do you realize they would never pay that? So lets keep the same criteria for this. There is a lot of foolishness that you can find, but you have to dig deep for the true essence, have you not found that to be true? I have dug deep.
JK- I dont think the JREF is foolish.. At first i did but then i realized that they have nothing to loose. What is their motif of not wanting people to believe in Ching or other paranormal stuff? No, rather the JREF, lead by James Randi. is a group of common people like me and you whos fedup of charlatans getting away with other peoples money. Remember "Peter Popoff" who claimed to heal people in the name of Jesus. He knew their names in the audience, their address, etc while picking apparently at random. Later it was found he had a wireless receiver through which his wife was communicating with him and telling him all the names etc from cards which certain guests had enetered befoetime. The JREF exposed them finally. Similarly is the cae with Uri Geller who claims to have paranormal powers. JR was able to perform all of that stuff. Homeopathy is yet another fraud. Why dont the big company bosses show the world once and for all that their medicine works by simply allowing tests to be performed under controlled conditions? GOD Bless!
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Peace be upon you JK,
I dont think the JREF is foolish.. At first i did but then i realized that they have nothing to loose. What is their motif of not wanting people to believe in Ching or other paranormal stuff? No, rather the JREF, lead by James Randi. is a group of common people like me and you whos fedup of charlatans getting away with other peoples money. Remember "Peter Popoff" who claimed to heal people in the name of Jesus. He knew their names in the audience, their address, etc while picking apparently at random. Later it was found he had a wireless receiver through which his wife was communicating with him and telling him all the names etc from cards which certain guests had enetered befoetime. The JREF exposed them finally. Similarly is the cae with Uri Geller who claims to have paranormal powers. JR was able to perform all of that stuff.
Sure there are many charlatans out there, but all this does is make them hard against the truth. For example, if you took to them your philosophy of "19", do you think you would get 1 million dollars?
Homeopathy is yet another fraud.
A Fraud? What do you call the flu vaccine? Is that not Homeopathy?
Why dont the big company bosses show the world once and for all that their medicine works by simply allowing tests to be performed under controlled conditions? GOD Bless!
Too much money to lose.
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Peace be upon you,
Would three 2 or 1 Euro Cents do? GOD Bless!
Sure. So what do you want to find out about? Job, spouse, etc?
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Peace "idolfree",
Peace be upon you,
Would three 2 or 1 Euro Cents do? GOD Bless!
Sure. So what do you want to find out about? Job, spouse, etc?
JK- What will happen to me in the near future? Should be a particular incident. Did i pass my university exams which are not yet out? GOD Bless!