Are your beliefs more important than your behaviour?
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Peace agentxxx. Exactly...,a persons behaviour can reflect their beliefs. Whats the use of beliefs without any consequent good behaviour? God is concerned with appropriate good deeds and behaviour,not promoting arabic words and unverified ideologies.Its not what you say or believe,but what you do and your good/informed intentions.
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Peace be upon you all,
I completely agree. As I have maintained, this is about BEHAVIOR SHAPING. One cannot shape behavior stating that a sea was splt thousands of years ago, what does that do for behavior? It makes you WAIT for something outside of you to come save you.
The Truth is that the God is WITHIN, It is the core of your being and we are created accordiing to ITS pattern. We must purify our Nafs to allow the Divine Attributes to flow through our being. What better behavior than that? D
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salaam friends
mashallah mashallah
you all agree
but the small problem is that ALLAH do not agree with you
here are some verses from Quran
986 Those who rejected from the people of the Scripture and those who set up partners are in the fires of Hell abiding therein, those are the worst of creation.
Rejecters indeed are those who have said "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on Earth!" And to God is the sovereignty of heavens and Earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things.
4150 Those who rejected God and His messengers, and they want to make a distinction between God and His messengers, and they Say "We believe in some and reject some!", and they desire to take a path in-between.
4151 These are the true rejecters; and We have prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution.
4152 And those who believe in God and His messengers and do not make a distinction between any of them, We will give them their rewards. And God is Forgiving, Merciful.and there are many more verses pointing out that before all else it is someone's belief which determines his situation in the next world.
Acc. to Quran, anyone who doesnt believe the oneness of God and all the prophets of God (INCLUDING MOHAMMAD) and have some perverse beliefs like trinity, then he is 100% a HELL CREATURE.Be sure.
(But if you dont believe Quran then you are of course free to believe whatever you want)
peace
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Salam,
According to my understanding, the word 'rejecter' means one who refuses to follow something after its been exposed to him. Therefore, I think people who never even heard about Al Quran or never had any clear exposure to Quranic Islaam do not belong to the rejecter group. That is why God forbids the killing of 'non-muslims' during wars because they are maybe just people who do not know.
In Al Quran God does say that He sends messengers to every nation. However, it doesn't mean everybody in the nation is exposed to the message that the messengers bring forth. wink
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but the small problem is that ALLAH do not agree with you
please elaborate, i see nothing in the verses you posted, that goes against anything said in this post. what i see is you misunderstanding what is being said.
peace
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Peace kestrel. Its your opinion of the verses that doesnt agree my dear fellow,.....not necessarily allahs.
If a person believes in prophet muhammed,the quran and one allah without partners,yet believes in suicide bombings is that person a believing muslim? If thats the case then the belief is meaningless, hypocritical and dangerous...
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peace
According to my understanding, the word 'rejecter' means one who refuses to follow something after its been exposed to him. Therefore, I think people who never even heard about Al Quran or never had any clear exposure to Quranic Islaam do not belong to the rejecter group. That is why God forbids the killing of 'non-muslims' during wars because they are maybe just people who do not know.
In Al Quran God does say that He sends messengers to every nation. However, it doesn't mean everybody in the nation is exposed to the message that the messengers bring forth. wink
I think what you said is valid for people who lived in the past.
Today we are living in an information era bro lol
Everybody is well aware of Islam, Mohammad, Quran what Quran states for rejectors trinity etc.
(Moreover all you need is to connect to Google,type "islam",and press enter. wink )peace
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salaam
If a person believes in prophet muhammed,the quran and one allah without partners,yet believes in suicide bombings is that person a believing muslim?
yes
If thats the case then the belief is meaningless, hypocritical and dangerous...
no. belief and suicide bombing have nothing to do with each other.
Peace all.
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Peace kestrel. What about if your only experience of islam,the prophet and the quran is from the 'dodgy' immoral translations and interpretations?
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Peace Kestrel. If you think a person who believes in suicide bombing(of innocents.) is a believer then i am the first to declare my disbelief of this version of islam. wink
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Peace kestrel , all
yes but what kind of information filters usually to the average people outside "islamic" societies ? roll
i think that behaviour and belief are both important and especially belief is only for god to judge as long as it doesn't interfere with other peoples lifes...
behaviour does affect the environment and as such is more important - cause your action interferes in other peoples life
concerning "wrong" believes we all are responsible for our own selfs - no way of saying i just followed what my parents did...
but if someone behaves badly towards you, there is a difference, you can be considered a victim...
that's why i "believe" that behaviour is above belief
but as so many say here god knows best
lk
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salaam
If a person believes in prophet muhammed,the quran and one allah without partners,yet believes in suicide bombings is that person a believing muslim?
yes
If thats the case then the belief is meaningless, hypocritical and dangerous...
no. belief and suicide bombing have nothing to do with each other.
Peace all.
Salam,
I think belief and bombing got a lot (100%) to do with each other. Most of these ediots really believe that they will go to paradise by blowing themselves up !
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Peace kestrel. Ok,so what good intentions does a person have when blowing up innocent people?
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Peace kestrel. What about if your only experience of islam,the prophet and the quran is from the 'dodgy' immoral translations and interpretations?
peace
the verses are clear, and all translations and interpretations are almost the same.So it is not plausible to think they are all 'dodgy' immoral translations lol
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Peace kestrel. If the verses are clear why all the constant debate on this forum as to what the verses mean? To say that all the translations are almost the same is just not true. I would say the majority of translations are wrong,immoral and unverified.
Peace all. ps;what is salat,hajj and slave women according to the 'clear' quran you speak of? -
Peace kestrel. You think its funny what you just wrote? shock
My friend before you talk about theoretical beliefs and islam,learn to respect human life. roll. ps; do you think the prophet would be proud of your last comment? -
Peace kestrel. If the verses are clear why all the constant debate on this forum as to what the verses mean? To say that all the translations are almost the same is just not true. I would say the majority of translations are wrong,immoral and unverified.
Peace all. ps;what is salat,hajj and slave women according to the 'clear' quran you speak of?I mean that verses 986, 517, 4150-152 are clear, not all verses.
peace