The Quran and the Prophet
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Peace ab,phoenix,el-aziz,arnoldyasin,alpha97,magi and all.
Firstly ab;those are not allahs views,they are YOUR views. idea
Phoenix;i like your understanding of hypotheses,and verification by nature.(note;we ourselves are nature too. .)
El aziz and magi;I hope your question to magi is answered(i think we might have misunderstood magi,sorry magi oops .),and that others try answer that question too. Excellent question. ! idea
Alpha97;love your pearls of wisdom. !
Finally arnoldyasin;Very good insights and a lot of excellent general points. I feel that in this age of easy access to information we can take the 'best' and most relevent bits of all the different religions,social research,science and philosophies to better ourselves and society. I feel concentrating too much on the quran is not beneficial as it can be a limited,context based and relative view,and may exclude other knowledge/insights which can lead to a greater overall understanding. Also we should truely be open and unbiased and decide with our conscience which parts of the quran are correct and which are not...Otherwise we are just showing critical analysis to other scriptures/knowledge(which is a good thing.) ,while showing bias towards the quran. Do you feel the whole quran is literally sufficient for guidance for all times,if it is read correctly,or can other knowledge be on the same level/rank as the quran? Also why do you say that the message of buddhism etc..is lost/fragmented, while suggesting the qurans message from 1400 years ago is not?
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alpha97 wrote
?Two key-words here
Primary source and Law. Your preassumption is that one should look for a primary source to search for LAWS. and once he has extracted these laws and follows them , then he is guided. This mechanism will give you a certain BIAS leading to a certain interpretation from QURAN.?phoenix1 wrote
?And prashant, can you give me an example of one of those ontological truths that the quran contains??Ontological truths Ontology is a field of philosophy. It has got some meaning there. But I used this word as an antonym of ?phenomenology?. The phenomenological truths are subject of natural science. These truths are the laws (for example Newton?s law) and models (for example the atomic model) in science. On the other hand, what I meant by ontological truths is those statements that describe the facts that are not acquirable by logic or thinking but have logical impact on ones pattern of behavior.
Truth 1 What is beyond this phenomenological world, which is the ultimate source of it? The materialists say, it is matter. The idealists say, it is universal consciousness. The Quran says, it is Allah. The qualities of matter, universal consciousness and Allah are completely different. Matter is blind, universal consciousness is probably a player of futile game. We get descriptions of Allah in the Quran which makes Him different from matter or idealistic consciousness.
Truth 2 What is the nature of the existence of this phenomenological world? Is it dependent on my mind? Or, does it have any objective existence? The Quran says, Allah has created the world in truth and He has not created this out of play or without a purpose.
Truth 3 What is the position of Man in this phenomenological world? Some say, all we are dust in the wind. Some say, we are the king. The Quran says, man is the slave of Allah and His deputy in this world.
Truth 4 What happens with the death of a man? Does he annihilates for ever? Or will he be raised again to live for ever? Some say, he dies for ever with death. Some say, we do not know. The Quran says, he will certainly be raised.
No sound philosophy can stand without answering to these questions. No system of ethics can have a ground unless it replies to these questions. But what ever a philosophy has to say says it on the basis of mere conjecture. I always look into my heart, my consciousness. But they only flutter over the outer shell of phenomenon and never ever succeeded in tearing the skin of phenomenon. I am either to believe in this or that regarding the questions in the above mentioned 4 points. And here is the need for me to have a primary source.
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alpha97 wrote
"The most repeated subject in QURAN are NOT the LAWS or instructions. they are about
The IGNITION of HEART.
It is about attaining FAITH of HIS PRESENCE.
It is about attaining faith of THE DAY OF RESURRECTION and the status of our SOULS.
It is about GROWING our FORGIVENESS, JUSTICE, COMPASSION and WISDOM.Tools that Quran offers for this are
PRAYERS to become thankful and positive about existence and humbling our SOULS.
REMEMBRANCE of HIS beautiful attributes to generate them in our SOUL.
Practicing Compassion, justice and forgiveness toward others."
This is such an wonderful thing that moved me to the bottom. I have been reading voluminous books for some couples of years. But I found nothing like this there. I pondered over your points. Now the Quran is speaking to me in a very different manner. Oh Allah, provide me with guidance, and provide alpha97 with all the best in this world and in the hereafter.
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Peace enquirer,
We must gather all information from this earth and see what makes us better humans, one of the best guides to do that is the Quran, God's workbook. The teachings of Buddha were only written down 200-300 years later. The Quran itself is written down immediatly, and even so, i believe in the 19-code. i have researched it myself, and i see the pattern. It is a interlocking system that proves the Quran being authentic, still a lot of suras must be verified through the code, but atleast 20-30 suras are proven to be safe. I know there are a lot of differences about this on freeminds, mostly started by Ayman and Layth. I did what Einstein did, instead of blindly searching for answers, he just started to wonder;"how many ways did God have to construct this universe?". The same question i asked with a holy revelation;"in how many ways can i make book and keep it safe from falsification, and hide this till it is neccesary to reveal it, while keeping the hints hidden in the book itself?" Only a mathematical structure can do this, and only a one which is on a level that only with high technology the code can be found. This is what God did with the Quran. The code is only an interlocking system, an alarm system, nothing more. I don't understand why people are so afraid of it, it is so simple. People claim that any number can be found through this, but still no one has proven this true. And then they say, what guidance does the code give? None, it only can show which part belongs to the original scripture and which not. And maybe in time, we can find similar high mathematical patterns in other revelation, like the bhagada-vita, Veda's, Psalms, Zend-Avesta and so on.
Peace
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alpha97 wrote
"The most repeated subject in QURAN are NOT the LAWS or instructions. they are about
The IGNITION of HEART.
It is about attaining FAITH of HIS PRESENCE.
It is about attaining faith of THE DAY OF RESURRECTION and the status of our SOULS.
It is about GROWING our FORGIVENESS, JUSTICE, COMPASSION and WISDOM.Tools that Quran offers for this are
PRAYERS to become thankful and positive about existence and humbling our SOULS.
REMEMBRANCE of HIS beautiful attributes to generate them in our SOUL.
Practicing Compassion, justice and forgiveness toward others."
This is such an wonderful thing that moved me to the bottom. I have been reading voluminous books for some couples of years. But I found nothing like this there. I pondered over your points. Now the Quran is speaking to me in a very different manner. Oh Allah, provide me with guidance, and provide alpha97 with all the best in this world and in the hereafter.
Bless you My brother prashant_kumar,
Welcome to the portal of the garden of FAITH.
What touched your SOUL was the DIVINE MESSAGE. I was merely a bamboo to play HIS DIVINE MUSIC. HE IS THE SOURCE OF ALL GUIDANCE. THE ONE WHO CREATED AND KEEPS CREATING; OUT OF COMPASSION and MERCY.peace.
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However you have the Quran, and you know its the last update. Howcome you dont read that then? I mean if you need to ask....
This is interesting, in what sense is it the last update and how have you confirmed this?
merely by studying other ancient belief systems. I can see that it is pretty much the same storys, however. there is differences. BIG differences in how they are told, wich leads me to belive that this is a step up, from former versions. I admit, it can altso be a step down, this i am not able to verify.