Project: 'Root List'
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Assalam-u-alaikum !
peace/safety be with you (all) !
How will different lexicons be used in supplementing entries in PRL. I would like to know some more detail ?
$175 for Lane's Lexicon, looks far cheaper than that $450 Lexicon that I saw on the net and after that I found your post about Lane's Lexicon and then ultimately visited your web site and got highly interested in both the projects. How is the quality of this Lexicon i.e. it is atleast 2.5 times cheaper than that 2 version Lexicon.
I would like some details about the working of this project and all possible options of helping out in each of the projects.
Also tell me the names of other lexicons involved in this project and the unique benefits that they provide.
How much time is the root translating phase expected to go .
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peace be upon you Asim,
How will different lexicons be used in supplementing entries in PRL. I would like to know some more detail
Quite simply more lexicons = more information = higher quality.
How is the quality of this Lexicon i.e. it is atleast 2.5 times cheaper than that 2 version Lexicon.
I have been lucky enough to read and use both. The quality depends on the publisher. The two version one I read was by the Islamic Texts Society, it was very good quality but very small writing.
The 8 volume Lane on albalagh is good quality, not excellent, but still easily readable.I would like some details about the working of this project and all possible options of helping out in each of the projects.
I will let you know once you email me with your resources, if any.
Also tell me the names of other lexicons involved in this project and the unique benefits that they provide.
One example, Lisanul Arab. The only stipulation is that they are classical Arabic lexicons. Main benefits = more information = higher quality.
How much time is the root translating phase expected to go .
Depends on entirely how many people and how much effort is put in. It will be completed in stages. The concordance and Lane online should be complete by the end of the year, GW. And in the meantime the grammar and meanings will be updated.
It could take about 2 years for everything to be done. I have added to PRL significantly since its conception.
Wakas
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Assalam-u-alaikum !
Peace safety be with you (all) !
I liked these projects (PLL and PRL) so much that I have decided to donate atleast 7 hours per week in these projects , because these projects are very important and I would also recommend all of you reading this forum to donate as much time as possible to these projects and participate in these projects. I would also recommend each of you to tell as many people as possible about these projects by refering to the following link. Don't forget to read
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peace all,
PRL update
99% of all roots and all their occurrences, separated by form, have now been listed.
Lane's Lexicon is currently being linked to PRL, which will allow people to look up the classical Arabic meanings for all roots.
In terms of typed meanings, about 550 out of 1800 have been done so far.
Also, grammar info for all words is being added at the moment.
Once the above is complete, a published book version will be released, at a low-cost price, GW.
The more contributors there are, the faster it will be done. So if you can help, please let me know.
If anyone finds any mistakes within PRL, you must let me know.
Wakas
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To those who know Arabic grammar
One aim of Project Root List is to list all words used in 'al quran' (the reading) along with grammar information for each word.
Ideally, I would like each word with its grammar information next to all its occurrences in 'al quran'. I think this would be beneficial.
What grammatical information for each word should it list?
What would be the most efficient way of doing ths?
Does anyone know of any books that have done this?
Would it be possible to organise a small group to do this task?
How many words are in 'al quran' altogether? (I have read about 20 000)I have asked several companies for price quotations for this task.
Thanks.
Wakas
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Some quotes I've had
$35 per hour
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$0.35 per source word
If I estimate 20 000 words in Al Quran (The Reading) then that works out at $7000 (?4022 for those in the UK, like me).
Thats not bad if it turned out the way I wanted, i.e. each word with all its grammar info and every occurrence of it by its side. I have a feeling that would cost extra.
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Salaam Wakas,
Hmm... that's quite expensive for me. Converting that number into Rupiahs give me the headache. lol
Well, the least I can do is to donate some money.
If this turns out right, then we'll have a very good book coming our way.By the way, I still couldn't find the Dad-Tay-Ra meanings.
=adley=
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i think its not expensive at all...divided at reasonably small number of people the cost could even come to virtually naught.... i think its a cheapest possible approach....you may waste years translating it without sucess...but you may get it translated by experts in a short time for the money you will easily earn doing what you can do the best...what you are specialised in/for.... its called the division of labor... wakas i applaud for/to this idea...
best wishes
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peace,
Thats not bad if it turned out the way I wanted, i.e. each word with all its grammar info and every occurrence of it by its side. I have a feeling that would cost extra.
As I thought, after reviewing the work again, they said they would do it by hour and gave me an estimate of 10 words per hour, which significantly increased costs.
Its ok though, I am in the process of co-ordinating how to tackle the grammar aspect. Its a very simple process, all we need is more people, so it will take less time.
If you are interested in attempting to create one of the most comprehensive Quran study tools in the English language and to give it free to the world, then email
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/infoATstudyquran.jpgYou can see a semi-finished grammar work for the letter Zayn here
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/28_ZAY.htmWakas
ps - nice to hear from you again Zlatan.
pps - Adley, I couldn't find Daad-Tay-Ra in Lane, Concordance of Quran or Dictionary of Quran either. Its in openburhan though.
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peace All,
I have received some encouraging news, a renowned teacher of Arabic has offered to help us with this task.
We have a small team so far, but the more the better. The time to offer your help is now all you need is a grammar book (e.g. this book) and time.
Having said that, we are ready to go ahead now.
What we need to do first is decide on a layout/format to follow. I would like advice on this. I want this to contain all important grammatical information but also be simple to use & understand. I have produced a sample, see the root Saad-Lam-Waw on the following page
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/18_SAD.htm
I am open to all suggestions.
The abbreviation meanings in the sample are as follows
acc = accusative
act = active
f = feminine
gen = genitive
impf = imperfect
impv = imperative
m = masculine
n = noun
neg = negative
nom = nominative
pcple = participle
perf = perfect
plu = plural
sing = singular
vb = verb (followed by a number representing verb form, e.g. II / 2)We may use Arabic text with tashkeel/diacritical markings, rather than in the sample.
Wakas
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PRL update
Preliminary grammar information has now been added for every word in The Quran.
Due to request, a downloadable zipped file is now available so you can use PRL offline
http//studyquran.org/click_PRLonline_to_start.zipTo participate, contact
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Salaam bro Wakas,
The link to Lane's Lexicon, volume 3, page # 391 under the root zay-ra-ayn is not working.
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Update
Project Root List now has classical Arabic meanings listed for 99% of roots used in Al Quran
www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htmDetailing and refining of listed meanings and grammar info will now follow.
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Dear Brother Waqas,
No doubt about your sincerity in imparting and making access to knowledge about Arabic to facilitate understanding the Quran for maximum number of people. But after seeing couple of pages, I find meanings of the few words emanating from different roots have been copied from the Lane's Lexicon, eight volumes of which are abundantly available on the net for free download and then pasted; suggesting/title of the project creates an impression as if these are the meanings/concept/perception of the Root.
A Root denotes a concept and thought. Lane did not give the concept and thought of the Root. He just orgainzied the Lexicon in accordance with the Root as is done for any Arabic dictionary. He then gave the meanings of different words made from that Root.
This project will convey a wrong perception to many people who do not know the ABC of Arabic and result in disservice rather than a service to humanity.
If only the meanings of words narrated by Lane are to be given, would it not be the best thing to link the pages of Lane's Lexicon seperately for each Root so that almost all the words could come into the notice of the reader and he would be able to make some understanding about the concept infolded in that Root.
Thanks
