Contradictions and inconsistencies in the quran?

unknownuser

Peace all. Magi makes a very good point. If verse 4;82 states that if the quran was from other than allah there would be many contradictions in it.
Then this means any book without an obvious contradiction can be claimed to be from god...

Salam enq

another desperate attempt by another clear cut Allah rejector, 482 never said the above quote in red, i guess it is Magi's perosnal man made god who said so

please stop twisting the quran verses trying to make a silly point, the problem you and magi can't see is this, you are not really challenging us (the believers), you are chllenging Allah Himself, man, good luck with that

Salam

unknownuser

peace thegod. Ok,if allah along with others can know what is in the wombs,what is the point of emhasizing allah knows what is in the wombs?

Hi

haven't read what thegod responded by but I like to say something, your limited understanding to the Quran verse about Allah knowing what is in the wombs is way too narrow (this tells me how open minded you are), the verse does not mean Allah knows what is in the wombs from the sex point of view (male or female), the verse never suggested even that exclusivly, it has more global meaning mister smart, it means He knows everything about or will happen to what is the wombs, including sex, age, and everything in the entire life or after life to what is in the wombs, and sure humans can never know that

let me use danish words "slam dunked"

Salam

unknownuser

Peace ab. You are living in a fantasy world ab. Humans can know now what is in the wombs before a baby is born nowadays...or do you deny this?
Why does allah say in the quran(in 3;142 and many other verses.) that allah needs to know or doesnt yet know who are the believers or the non-believers?
What is the test and judgement for if he already knows?
Why did he ask iblis why he didnt do sujood to the angels if allah already knew?
If allah knows things in advance,then they are already fixed,and so allah thus has no free-will and cannot change the future...
Slam-dunked...I think not...

unknownuser

Peace all. I will repost a previous post in this thread as nobody seemed to tackle it...which should have been easy given some people have gods perfect clear words available in book form...
'What about the quran saying that allah doesnt change his ways(or sunnat or laws.) and then jesus being born without a father,adam with no father or mother,a stick turning into a snake,the splitting of the sea into two firm mountains,jesus speaking as a baby,fire not burning abraham,jonah in the belly of a whale etc...
Can you all confirm and verify these events literally?...( remember 17;36.)

Also all creatures are supposed to do sujood to allah alone,and yet allah asked the angels to do sujood to adam?...
Allah supposedly never commands indecency,yet abraham is asked to sacrifice an innocent son?
If you take these verses literally you make the quran contradictory and inconsistent...
Please explain these verses...and danishes' posts as well.
Peace all.

unknownuser

Peace all. Anybody who wants to call someone else an allah-rejector or an enemy of allah should realise its not allah we reject,but your ideas,concepts and illusions about allah. ) Many atheists only reject an illogical concept about god,but still follow their natural god-given morality... Allah,god,khuda,buddha mind,great spirit,conscience,akbar,brahamn,atman,bhagwan,science,universal law,enlightenment,universal conciousness,nirvana,divine soul etc... whatever words you want to call it,it is not important that you just pay lip-service to the words,worship the words,or argue over the words...but its vital that you implement and follow the natural,verified,true individual (though universal.) paths to peace...
Words are only a description of a reality or realities...Follow the realities,not just the words...
Peace all. ps;is the word apple the real item,or a description pointing to the real apple?...

unknownuser

peace all,

Why this inconsistency? Is this because of translation or a memory lapse?

Peace bro

I reached page 8 or 9 and found a few comments by you with alleged contradictions, not sure what is your point?, I thought one with a solid belief like you and have the wisdom of being over 40 should know all the answers to all these silly allegations that some of them are laughable indeed, a child can easily refute many of these silly allegations, and as you guessed it, it is because of translation or a memory lapse but as well due to ignorance, arrogance, hatred to Allah and possibly many other psychological reasons, let me prove it, not sure if any other sincere Muslim responded to these alleged contradiction however here my voice been added to them

In the first example you have posted, the Quran says the good guys will receive their books in the right hand, while the bad guys will have their books behind them

Right hand or back

Sura-84 (Al-Inshikak)
7?Then whoso is given his account in his right hand
8?He truly will receive an easy reckoning
10?But whoso is given his account behind his back,
11?He surely will invoke destruction
12?And be thrown to scorching fire.

Here is the Arabic verses

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( 8 )
(9)
(10)
(11)
(12)

Well, let me ask you first, did the Quran said the good guys MUST receive their books in the right hand?, as well did it say the bad guys MUST receive their book behind them?, I?m sure it didn?t, it was only telling us about mere two directions where a possible delivery of the books to the good and bad guys, but it never suggested that they will not receive it from other directions, now we have many directions, we have indeed at least 6 directions

left and right
Up and Down
Front and behind

From the above we can say that whoever will receive the book from the right direction will be considered a good guy and whoever will receive the book from behind will be considered a bad guy

Now, you are suggesting or at least you don?t know why it is contradicting with the following, which suggests that the good guys will receive the book from the right direction and the bad guys will receive it from the left direction

or

Right hand or left

Sura-69 (Al-Hakkah)
19?Then, as for him who is given his record in his right hand, he will say Take, read my book!
20?Surely I knew that I should have to meet my reckoning.
21?Then he will be in blissful state
22?In a high Garden
25?But as for him who is given his record in his left hand, he will say Oh, would that I had not been given my book
29?My power hath gone from me.
30?(It will be said) Take him and fetter him
31?And then expose him to hell fire
32?And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits.

Here is the Arabic verses

(19)
(20)
(21)
(22)
(23)
(24)
(25)
(26)
(27)
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(29)
(30)
(31)
(32)

Well, I can?t see any clear cut contradiction between the verses, all the verses above told us that the good guys will get the book from the right direction and this does not violates 847, but for the bad guys it says they will get it from the left direction and not from behind as stated previously in 8410

Excuse me sir, this will be a clear cut contradiction if it says the bad guys will receive the books from THE RIGHT DIRECTION as the good guys, however it never said so, it only added another direction to where the bad guys will receive their books

i.bloody e. from all the above verses

the good guys will receive their books from the right direction
the bad guys will receive their books from the behind them as well from the left direction, this inclines to me a sort of grouping the bad guys in two groups, the ones who will receive it from the left direction and the ones who will receive it from behind

No contradiction so far, but you also said it contradicts with the following verses which suggest the bad guys will receive their books (before them) i.e. from the front direction

or placed before you
Surah 18 Al-Kahf
49?And the Book (of Deeds) will be placed (before you); and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is (recorded) therein; they will say "Ah! woe to us! what a book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did placed before them and not one will thy Lord treat with

(49)

Excuse again sir, 1849 NEVER suggested a direction to where the bad guys will receive their books from, THE WORDS (BEFORE YOU) is a clear cut addition and does not exist in the Arabic text, the Arabic words is clear , i.e. ?The Book was Put Down?, ?down? does not mean any direction, it means the books are brought in for them to see, it never suggested any direction or how the books was delivered to them

Therefore the above can?t be a clear cut contradiction and the allegation must be thrown in the rubbish bin for good

You also posted another allegation of another contradiction

or light or heavy

Surah 101Al-Qari'a
6?Then he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy
7?Will be in a life of good pleasure and satisfaction.
8?But he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) light
9?Will have his home in a (bottomless) pit.

Here is the Arabic verses

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(7)
( 8 )
(9)

The above is suggesting the following

The winners are the ones who will have heavy weights (good deeds), and the losers are the ones who will have light weights (good deeds).

Now you believe it contradicts the following verses

Surah 23 Al-Muminun
102-Then those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy they will attain salvation
103-But those whose balance is light will be those who have lost their souls; in Hell will they abide

Here is the Arabic verses

(102)
(103)

Far out man, truly laughter is good for you but now it is getting really silly, hold on bro, I have to call my young daughter and ask her if 23102-103 contradicts with 1016-9

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Ok man she said 23102-103, are suggesting the following

The winners are the ones who will have heavy weights (good deeds), and the losers are the ones who will have light weights (good deeds).

Now here is again what 1016-9 suggested to us

The winners are the ones who will have heavy weights (good deeds), and the losers are the ones who will have light weights (good deeds).

Can you please compare and tell me where the hell is the contradiction?

I have to use Danish words again ?Slam dunked?

Peace

unknownuser

Peace ab. You are living in a fantasy world ab. Humans can know now what is in the wombs before a baby is born nowadays...or do you deny this?

LOL

mister smart, did you read my comment or you pretended that you have done so?, it seems you didn't read it really, i know that humans can bloody know the sex of the baby before it is delivered, i did so with my two children mister smart

what I bloody said, that the verse was never exclusive to knowing the sex of the baby, it is about knowing everything that will happen to the new baby including the future

mister smart your IQ level dropped beyond recognition

I can give you a few IQ points of mine, i have plenty

Salam

Fahad1

peace all .

Peace all. I will repost a previous post in this thread as nobody seemed to tackle it...which should have been easy given some people have gods perfect clear words available in book form...
'What about the quran saying that allah doesnt change his ways(or sunnat or laws.) and then jesus being born without a father,adam with no father or mother,a stick turning into a snake,the splitting of the sea into two firm mountains,jesus speaking as a baby,fire not burning abraham,jonah in the belly of a whale etc...
Can you all confirm and verify these events literally?...( remember 17;36.)

enquirer, are u afraid to quote the verses ?

unknownuser

peace darbari and ab.
Darbari; You mean to tell me that you base your whole life-view and future on a book,that you dont even know where the verses are located? Im sure the posters who are defending the quran at all costs and regardless of the consequences will be able to help you... )
Ab; i will give you time to address my points,because you will probably need it to reflect on what you are saying...Which is nothing in particular,but emotion and hot air.. ).

Fahad1

Peace all. I will repost a previous post in this thread as nobody seemed to tackle it...which should have been easy given some people have gods perfect clear words available in book form...
'What about the quran saying that allah doesnt change his ways(or sunnat or laws.) and then jesus being born without a father,adam with no father or mother,a stick turning into a snake,the splitting of the sea into two firm mountains,jesus speaking as a baby,fire not burning abraham,jonah in the belly of a whale etc...

the above mentioned events are not in contradiction with His laws .

Can you all confirm and verify these events literally?...( remember 17;36.)

What do u think 1736 says , please tell us .

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Fahad1

peace darbari and ab.
Darbari; You mean to tell me that you base your whole life-view and future on a book,that you dont even know where the verses are located? Im sure the posters who are defending the quran at all costs and regardless of the consequences will be able to help you... )

why dont u just quote the verses ? if u are having trouble finding the verses , this might help http//www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php

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unknownuser

peace darbari. Why dont you quote the verses?...I have given you the summary literal translation of the verses,now you refute the summary if you can or want to. If you or anyone else wants to quote then do so.
I was under the impression that some on this forum quoted 1736 to make sure you verify/know something before you follow it...Is that correct? Ie; 'Dont follow that of which you have no knowledge'?
How do the verses i posted agree with allahs verified laws,based on your real-life observations?...If you say allah can do anything,then he can also have a son...so the christians who believe that are correct too?
Peace all.

Navid

Peace all

Enquirer, I posted about the verses you mentioned. I even posted the verses, since you didn't and you were the one claiming it. Oh well. Here, I'll quote my post since you haven't responded.

Peace all

I'd like to talk about 262 and 569 being 'in opposition' with 319 and 385, as enquirer mentioned.

Absolutely, these are not in opposition with each other. In fact, arranging them together is a very good idea.

Since enquirer failed to even bring forth the actual verses, I'll post the literal translation. Let's look at 262 and 385

That those who believed and those who repented/guided/Jews , and the Christians and the Sabians/converts , who believed with God and the Day the Last/Resurrection Day, and made/did correct/righteous deeds, so for them their reward (is) at their lord, and no fear/fright on them, and nor they be sad/grieving.

And who desires/wishes other than the Islam/submission/surrender (as) a religion, so (it) will never/not be accepted from him, and he (is) in the end from the losers.

Looking at 385, we can ask "What is considered Submission? What do I need to do to be a Submitter?"

And 262 clarifies that; to be a Submitter, one must

Believe in God
Believe in Resurrection Day
Do righteous deeds

So the Christians, Jews, etc. who believe in God, Resurrection Day, and do righteous deeds, are indeed Submitters. The same goes for 319 and 569. It is that simple.

It's amazing how to one person, these two verses are 'in opposition with each other'; while to another person who is sincere to the Qur'an, one verse helps clarify the other.

Enquirer, I'd greatly appreciate you engaging in an actual discussion with me about this. I'd be very happy to do so. From what I've seen so far, you have claimed something, then when someone wanted to discuss your claim, you avoided it and insulted them. It seems you aren't here for discussion; but perhaps for other reasons. ???

God willing, you'll actually start discussing. After all, this is a forum.

Peace

You brought this topic, yet you haven't responded to it. I'd gladly discuss this with you. Thanks.

Peace

unknownuser

Ab; i will give you time to address my points,because you will probably need it to reflect on what you are saying...Which is nothing in particular,but emotion and hot air.. ).

Peace

so far i have seen no points from you other than a typical anti islam, anti quran, and anti Allah rants, you don't even know how to do that sort of ranting, you are novice indeed

Fahad1

peace darbari. Why dont you quote the verses?...

because it is YOU, not us , who thinks there are contradictions in the text . at least quote the text to support your claim .

I was under the impression that some on this forum quoted 1736 to make sure you verify/know something before you follow it...Is that correct? Ie; 'Dont follow that of which you have no knowledge'?

yes , and the koran is the knowledge .

276 Verily, thou receivest the Qur'an from the One Wise, All-Knowing.

any thing or event that is mentioned in the verses of the koran is the knowledge . so 1736 is about things outside the koran .

How do the verses i posted agree with allahs verified laws,based on your real-life observations?

Which laws ? there are no established laws which contradict the Koran . besides that, our 'real-life observations' are limited . we are not the All-Knowing . Allah is .

...If you say allah can do anything,then he can also have a son...so the christians who believe that are correct too?

BS. Allah does not have a son . read chapter 112 .

unknownuser

Peace darbari. My sincere advice to you is start looking around the world and within yourself for answers. Your logic is totally circular.If you want to believe the quran is perfect,scientific and complete in its literal form,then im sure one day you will get a rude awakening.
If our 'real life observations' are limited well then how can you say science agrees with the quran to justify the quran is correct? I could just say well science(or real life observations.) is limited anyway,so that doesnt prove the quran is correct?
I would understand your position more if you people defending this books literalism would just say we believe it because of 'faith' and our 'feelings' and not justify it by desperate,illogical,and intellectually shallow,anti scientific assumptions based on conjecture.
Peace all.

savage_carrot

Mr zenje,i see that your definition of 'brothers and sisters' or 'nice guy' is purely on your arbitrary sectarian criteria...

Just like Mr. Peace and GoodWillHunting's criteria for calling people 'intellectual' and 'mature'.

i also see that you and others have not refuted the verses i claimed were inconsistent when taken literally...

This guy is turning into another Apple Pie. He hasn't even responded to all the posts completely refuting his illogical and made up fantasies.

I am glad that people of your intellectual incompetence have no real political power,and that western liberal democracy(although not perfect.) stops people of your mentality from propogating your extremist,illusional,inhumane,sectarian pipe dreams.

Dear God! This is just such an emotional outburst, western liberal democracy yet...

What does it feel like to claim you have god on your side,yet be so irrelevent?

Emotion again? What benefit do these outbursts give us in the discussion seeing as how the refutations are completely ignored by this poster?

Fahad1

Peace darbari. My sincere advice to you is start looking around the world and within yourself for answers. Your logic is totally circular.If you want to believe the quran is perfect,scientific and complete in its literal form,then im sure one day you will get a rude awakening.
If our 'real life observations' are limited well then how can you say science agrees with the quran to justify the quran is correct? I could just say well science(or real life observations.) is limited anyway,so that doesnt prove the quran is correct?
I would understand your position more if you people defending this books literalism would just say we believe it because of 'faith' and our 'feelings' and not justify it by desperate,illogical,and intellectually shallow,anti scientific assumptions based on conjecture.
Peace all.

show us the contradictions , enquirer . i see that u avoid replying whenever someone posts the verses of the Koran . again ,u didnt comment on the verse that i posted .

unknownuser

Peace all. Whoever wants to say im avoiding this or that or whatever... well thats fine,thats your opinions... I have posted the contradictions,and if i see anybody refute them properly then i will discuss or accept their findings. I reserve the right to discuss with people i want to...No compulsion in the deen hey.

unknownuser

Peace all. Whoever wants to say im avoiding this or that or whatever... well thats fine,thats your opinions... I have posted the contradictions,and if i see anybody refute them properly then i will discuss or accept their findings. I reserve the right to discuss with people i want to...No compulsion in the deen hey.

excuse me mister

it is not like we want you to be a muslim, i don't want that really, the verse you mentioned is about compulsion in religions not compulsion in debates, ironically the debeate is started by you, however based on your flawed logic there is no compulsion for us to respond to your allegations as well, but at least we showed respect and answered you, not sure enq that you realize and understand what you do exactly? is it you man made god guiding you?