Contradictions and inconsistencies in the quran?
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Peace mquran. Dont let me alter your perception of the non-book theist types...
Im sure there are others that will debate and discuss with you in a positive,beneficial way...I just feel our dialogues didnt do a lot of good,because of contrasting styles....I dont claim to represent,and may not be representative of all, or even many of the theist,non-book types you mentioned....i still feel you have not understood my position,and i still feel you have some good ideas and opinions on quran...I just feel our different ways of discussing are currently 'incompatible'....
Peace to you as well. No hard feelings from me brother... -
Darbari; I feel we are getting bogged down again,i have clarified my position now several times ..i am not trying to convert you to my exact way of thinking,and you have not converted me to your exact way of thinking,you can verify for yourself and i can verify for myself,i think thats fair...if you want to believe certain things about the quran then thats fine to me,as long as you live your life with good intentions and practically follow good morality...In my posts i feel i have answered some of your questions,...
if u can please copy/paste your answers here , cuz i cant find them . can u also tell us what were the questions which you answered ?
if you feel you want to refute some of my statements then do so...
i m itching to refute your statements , just waiting for u to reply to my first refutation .
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Bmbmm I think the title "Contradictions and inconsistencies in the quran?" made some people felt like there ball being crushed . I am glad eq put a Question Mark (?) after it. Take it easy folks, its just a question to ponder. I believe if a Christian or a Jew as question like this would not have good so much rude replies.
Take it easy? How much easier do you want it? So far, everything your friend has deigned to mention has been answered and his response asked for. However, he doesn't see it befitting his station as an enlightened seeker (sic) to respond to us deluded plebs. It's not a question of ease but of decency that your friend has none.
I don't want to talk on behalf of my friend. However, since you suggested he do not have decency. Could you kindly give me an example? Also, I think he sometimes do indeed get pissed off by the intolerence and rude outcome of discussing the nature of the Quran. We shouldn't have this Salafi/Sunni etc. etc. rude reflection upon contemplating on the true nature of the Quran, if we do not disagree -\
Peace
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Hello all,
AhmedBaghat?s fetish and frustrated lengthy rebuttals were perplexed and steamed out in both the cases I presented above, venturing out in circles to distinguish time periods and events in which those verses speak of, with a touch of tasty fruits and rotten blah blahs, and guilty of core concerns unresolved. I hope this time he won?t sweat as much for it?ll make it simpler in his case, for time, place and event mustn?t be a concern because
The Quran challenges mankind to bring a (one) surah like it (223 and 103
Khalifa
If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.Yusuf Ali
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true.Pickthal
And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave, then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful."Progressive Muslims"
And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.Khalifa
If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than GOD, if you are truthful."Yusuf Ali
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides God, if it be ye speak the truth!"Pickthal
Or say they He hath invented it ? Say Then bring a surah like unto it, and call on all ye can besides Allah, if ye are truthful."Progressive Muslims"
Or do they say he invented it? Say "Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!"Not satisfied, the Quran further challenges to bring yet another 10 surahs instead of one in precisely the same manner as in 1038
Khalifa
If they say, "He fabricated," tell them, "Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful."Yusuf Ali
Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call whomsoever ye can, other than God!- If ye speak the truth!Pickthal
Or they say He hath invented it. Say Then bring ten surahs, the like thereof, invented, and call on everyone ye can beside Allah, if ye are truthful!"Progressive Muslims"
Or do they say "He invented it!" Say "Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call on whom you can besides God if you are truthful."If the challenge is not met, then we must acquiesce to the following without being punished
If they fail to meet your challenge, then know that this is revealed with GOD's knowledge, and that there is no god except He. Will you then submit?But then, lo and behold, if the challenge is made, they are sent to hell; so much for the challenge in the first place
As for those who strive to challenge our revelations, they incur Hell.And here is the challenge met for not one but all ten in Arabic (with English translation on some)
http//suralikeit.com/Now, Mr. Ahmed, you are at your liberty to bring any or all translations that exists today including the literal one (whatever that means), heck bring your own invented one and see if anyone can patch-up the above 3 verses for me in a consistent, coherent and non-contradicting fashion.
If quran is GOD?s words as allegedly claimed, then please clarify the following concerns
- Was the challenge of one surah not enough for GOD Al-mighty?
- Doesn?t the challenge to bring 10 surahs or even one for that matter, reveal weakness in GOD?s words by itself in which it speaks?
- Why the challenge in the first place? If GOD guides people whomsoever HE wills, then the question of challenge, whether met or not, shouldn?t arise? It seems a forced issue.
- If challenge is not met, then one should believe in it without incurring hell, but when one tries to challenge, one goes straight to hell. Isn?t this called, ?double standards??
- What is the reward for meeting the challenge and why?
- Why the contradiction and inconsistency?
- Once again, 8015 comes into play, as elaborated earlier.
NOTE ?people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin.?
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Hi there Danish, Good to see you again. Is this going to be your style from now on, Danish, hit and run? Is this what your 'essence of nature' (sic) pals've been teaching you? That the nature of man is to run?
You haven't addressed my first set of questions to you yet. I'm going to answer alongside AB, if you don't mind.Danish If the challenge is not met, then we must acquiesce to the following without being punished
If they fail to meet your challenge, then know that this is revealed with GOD's knowledge, and that there is no god except He. Will you then submit?Is this 'scientific' Danish, pasting Quranic verses without checking its contents? Funny that..when it comes to Quranic discussion, you're about as scientific as a Salem witch.
Wainlam YASTAJIBU LAKUM means if they fail to respond to you, 'meeting your challenge' is nowhere in the ayat )
So that's one of your pathetic arguments cut down.
But then, lo and behold, if the challenge is made, they are sent to hell; so much for the challenge in the first place
As for those who strive to challenge our revelations, they incur Hell.22/51 is talking about another event altogether, the event of sa'aa or striving against God's revelation. Would you care to see context, or does 'science' prevent you from being objective? I should think it should tell you to be objective. Read 22/50, which tells you to believe and be righteous, THAT'S the context of the ayat.
- Was the challenge of one surah not enough for GOD Al-mighty?
The criteria of 'enough' depends on the individual. Why should anyone listen to YOUR criteria of sufficiency? If Al-quraan is to be made to show to contradict itself, it must first declare that issues only one challenge, which of course it never did. Scraping a little, are we?
- Doesn?t the challenge to bring 10 surahs or even one for that matter, reveal weakness in GOD?s words by itself in which it speaks?
In what way would it do so? The challenge to produce suwaar allows the individual to see for himself the greatness of al-quraan compared to any other coherent discourse. How would it reveal weakness?
- Why the challenge in the first place? If GOD guides people whomsoever HE wills, then the question of challenge, whether met or not, shouldn?t arise? It seems a forced issue.
Once again, this is your opinion and if I answer, it would be my opinion. Al-quraan says 'if they are in doubt' and if they say 'he created it himself', that's all the reason it needs. I say again WHO CARES about your opinion? Bring a contradiction or do you not know what that is?
- If challenge is not met, then one should believe in it without incurring hell, but when one tries to challenge, one goes straight to hell. Isn?t this called, ?double standards??
False. Proven above. You percieved it wrongly thanks to your poor method. You're clearly a bigot because you reserve great care for 'science' but are shoddy in your study of al-quraan. No wonder you reject it.
- What is the reward for meeting the challenge and why?
Al-quraan says you'll never meet the challenge. And judging by what you and Enquirer have thus far produced, i can see how this is true.
- Why the contradiction and inconsistency?
there is none. Only some bigots with poor knowledge and even poorer methodologies.
Danish, I hope you don't run this time and come up with your own coherent discourse. Hint look up Popper and Kuhn, it might help.
NOTE ?people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin.?
Ahmed Baghat has NEVER lied about al-quraan or its interpretation.
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Hey there mquran,
Sounds like you love to mercilessly bicker for crying out loud, rather than presenting a coherent and meaningful refutation or even a decent discussion, which is your's and Ahmed's norm. Talk about 'hit and run'? -[ You bet, scares the heck out of me from "people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin". ;D
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Ahmed Baghat has NEVER lied about al-quraan or its interpretation.
Now that's quite a zesty feast. Perhaps you overlooked the "illogical" aspect of "GOD's words" which he seems to confess and check out http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5264.30 and abundance of other irrelevant notions. Even you, on many occasions have argued with him on several fronts.
Mr. Mquran, you have proven yourself a LIAR on behalf of Ahmed, a FACT I'm afraid cannot be neglected.
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Sounds like you love to mercilessly bicker for crying out loud, rather than presenting a coherent and meaningful refutation or even a decent discussion, which is your's and Ahmed's norm. Talk about 'hit and run'? You bet, scares the heck out of me from "people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin".
What 'merciless bicker'? Why don't you address my points? Instead of bluffing your way through this discussion? If you want to bluff, put on a sunni costume and teach at a madressa. You can make up anything you like there as long as it deifies Muhammad.
Here are my points for you again, which of course you will never dare to step up to
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11/14 has NO phrase 'fail to meet the challenge'. That came from the Danish's Official Storage of Lies Produced to Comfort Himself in His Rejection.
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22/51 is from ANOTHER context, nothing to do with sura challenges.
And as for your points
Point 1 is your opinion. Nothing concrete at all.
Point 2 is for clarification. Im asking you HOW does it show weakness?
Point 3 is your opinion yet again (a substitute for hard facts, obviously).
Point 4 has been proven false due to your fallacious interpretations, thanks to your total lack of scholarship on the issue.
Point 5 I have answered. There's no possibility of meeting the challenge, according to Al-quraan.
Point 6 is false once again due to your false interpretation.
If you're genuine, why don't you disprove my corrections of your facts? Why just stand on the soapbox with nothing but soap?
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Now that's quite a zesty feast. Perhaps you overlooked the "illogical" aspect of "GOD's words" which he seems to confess and check out http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5264.30 and abundance of other irrelevant notions. Even you, on many occasions have argued with him on several fronts.
Mr. Mquran, you have proven yourself a LIAR on behalf of Ahmed, a FACT I'm afraid cannot be neglected.
Does science teach you that because someone follows something, it makes him a liar ? We'll have to resurrect Aristotle to teach you some logic, pal. I will clarify for people who have comprehension problems
I have disagreed with AB, sure but he's always been forthright, even when the facts expose the weakness of his arguments. He's therefore better than the cowards who lurk in this form who will never step up to discuss in a sincere manner.
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Now that's quite a zesty feast. Perhaps you overlooked the "illogical" aspect of "GOD's words" which he seems to confess and check out http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5264.30 and abundance of other irrelevant notions. Even you, on many occasions have argued with him on several fronts.
Mr. Mquran, you have proven yourself a LIAR on behalf of Ahmed, a FACT I'm afraid cannot be neglected.
Does science teach you that because someone follows something, it makes him a liar ? We'll have to resurrect Aristotle to teach you some logic, pal. I will clarify for people who have comprehension problems
I have disagreed with AB, sure but he's always been forthright, even when the facts expose the weakness of his arguments. He's therefore better than the cowards who lurk in this form who will never step up to discuss in a sincere manner.
Ahmed conveys his regards to you with a "slam dunk".
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Sounds like you love to mercilessly bicker for crying out loud, rather than presenting a coherent and meaningful refutation or even a decent discussion, which is your's and Ahmed's norm. Talk about 'hit and run'? You bet, scares the heck out of me from "people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin".
What 'merciless bicker'? Why don't you address my points? Instead of bluffing your way through this discussion? If you want to bluff, put on a sunni costume and teach at a madressa. You can make up anything you like there as long as it deifies Muhammad.
Here are my points for you again, which of course you will never dare to step up to
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11/14 has NO phrase 'fail to meet the challenge'. That came from the Danish's Official Storage of Lies Produced to Comfort Himself in His Rejection.
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22/51 is from ANOTHER context, nothing to do with sura challenges.
And as for your points
Point 1 is your opinion. Nothing concrete at all.
Point 2 is for clarification. Im asking you HOW does it show weakness?
Point 3 is your opinion yet again (a substitute for hard facts, obviously).
Point 4 has been proven false due to your fallacious interpretations, thanks to your total lack of scholarship on the issue.
Point 5 I have answered. There's no possibility of meeting the challenge, according to Al-quraan.
Point 6 is false once again due to your false interpretation.
If you're genuine, why don't you disprove my corrections of your facts? Why just stand on the soapbox with nothing but soap?
Present the translations of the verses in question which YOU THINK is best and EXPLAIN them, not with surfaced fancy winks, as in, ?22/51 is from ANOTHER context, nothing to do with sura challenges.? This is neither a refutation nor an explanation to my points, but simply brushed off, and that is what is called a bluff and an empty soapbox, a rhetoric. Now read the following very carefully once again, as I am not willing to repeat and educate a thickheaded in repetitious and un-relentless manner, or else you certainly need to resurrect the scribes in 8015 who compiled the Quran in its current fashion to give you a logical answer (not Aristotle).
Now, Mr. Ahmed, you are at your liberty to bring any or all translations that exists today including the literal one (whatever that means), heck bring your own invented one and see if anyone can patch-up the above 3 verses for me in a consistent, coherent and non-contradicting fashion.
If quran is GOD?s words as allegedly claimed, then please clarify the following concerns
- Was the challenge of one surah not enough for GOD Al-mighty?
- Doesn?t the challenge to bring 10 surahs or even one for that matter, reveal weakness in GOD?s words by itself in which it speaks?
- Why the challenge in the first place? If GOD guides people whomsoever HE wills, then the question of challenge, whether met or not, shouldn?t arise? It seems a forced issue.
- If challenge is not met, then one should believe in it without incurring hell, but when one tries to challenge, one goes straight to hell. Isn?t this called, ?double standards??
- What is the reward for meeting the challenge and why?
- Why the contradiction and inconsistency?
- Once again, 8015 comes into play, as elaborated earlier.
NOTE ?people who tell OUTRIGHT LIES about al-quraan yet claim to believe in Al-quraan's divine origin.?
And here is the challenge met for not one but all ten in Arabic (with English translation on some)
http//suralikeit.com/REMINDER Don't miss out on the one underlined above, give detailed explanation to my points with authority and make sure you read the link (challenged met).
Final note I will not respond to your frustrations, bickerings, brush-offs and incomplete renderings of flowery zesty nature and your cries will simply sit and rot along with you.
I edited to insert my "quote" and "your cries".
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Present the translations of the verses in question which YOU THINK is best and EXPLAIN them, not with surfaced fancy winks, as in, ?22/51 is from ANOTHER context, nothing to do with sura challenges.? This is neither a refutation nor an explanation to my points, but simply brushed off, and that is what is called a bluff and an empty soapbox, a rhetoric.
Let me spell it out for you, ok
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Danish says that 22/51 is a contradiction because as soon as a person tries to produce a sura like it, he will fit into the 22/51 criteria and thus be sentenced to hell.
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My response to Danish is, please sir, learn to read. 22/51 doesn't talk about producing suras. It talks about striving against the signs of Allah. It describes this act in opposition to the aforementioned 22/50. Danish took it OUT OF CONTEXT in his poor, unscientific attempt to read al-quraan.
Now read the following very carefully once again, as I am not willing to repeat and educate a thickheaded in repetitious and un-relentless manner, or else you certainly need to resurrect the scribes in 8015 who compiled the Quran in its current fashion to give you a logical answer (not Aristotle). Present the translations of the verses in question which YOU THINK is best and EXPLAIN them, not with surfaced fancy winks, as in, ?22/51 is from ANOTHER context, nothing to do with sura challenges.? This is neither a refutation nor an explanation to my points, but simply brushed off, and that is what is called a bluff and an empty soapbox, a rhetoric. Now read the following very carefully once again, as I am not willing to repeat and educate a thickheaded in repetitious and un-relentless manner, or else you certainly need to resurrect the scribes in 8015 who compiled the Quran in its current fashion to give you a logical answer (not Aristotle).
My question to you is, WHAT PATCH-UP ?
If I said to you
- produce 1 thing to challenge my invention
then I said
- produce 10 things to challenge my invention
they are not in contradiction. There are simply two challenges. Can't you comprehend that, Danish? That it's possible to issue TWO instead of one. Repeat after me one, TWO, three. Two is the number after one.
REMINDER Don't miss out on the one underlined above, give detailed explanation to my points with authority and make sure you read the link (challenged met).
Miss out? Sir, I try not to be like you, a person who comes out with such things as 'essence of nature' and to this day, doesn't dare define it. Such behaviour stinks of falseness and shows the total lack of confidence you have in your own ideology. Medieval popes are more scientific than yourself.
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Peace MQ and Danish
I skimmed through the commnets quickly and will respond later Toady to danish argument
For MQ, thanks bro for the support you gave me agianst danish malicious, false, misleading, and fabricated lie, that I lied about the Quran, if I made a mistake then that is not a lie mister smart danish, however I can assure you that my mistakes are min and will never go beyond the count of your fingers in one hand, it is simply because I follow the literal Quran
Salam
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Peace MQ and Danish
I skimmed through the commnets quickly and will respond later Toady to danish argument
For MQ, thanks bro for the support you gave me agianst danish malicious, false, misleading, and fabricated lie, that I lied about the Quran, if I made a mistake then that is not a lie mister smart danish, however I can assure you that my mistakes are min and will never go beyond the count of your fingers in one hand, it is simply because I follow the literal Quran
Salam
Since MQ failed miserbaly, only to bring about his frustrations and OUTCRY, I will await for MQ's "master" to respond in exactly the manner I requested earlier in my last post, which got neglected again, and I very much doubt, that learning from your recent past encounters, it would be of any "authentic" value, unless you adhere to basic elementary discussion ethics.
As I mentioned much earlier, you're pretty good in Arabic grammatical linguistics and language, and that's all there is to it. In other words, no substance to understanding and refelcting upon the very "grammatical linguistics" you bring about. For example, the LIE that mquran and you bring about and support each other, out of merciless bickering and no substance whatsoever, accusing others for the same. Now check out this thread, when mquran confessess that you NEVER LIE about Al-Quran and let the forum members decide http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5264.30
AhmedBaghat's and mquran's outcries and lies and a twisted version of mquran to support Ahmed as he cunningly puts it as "weakness of the FACT" along the lines of GOD's Words instead of "LIES", can be easily exposed and witnessed throughout this forum.
As far as I am concerned, mquran, AhmedBaghat and their likes, are the worst enemies of Quran themselves. If you don't believe or trust me, read their past and current posts with diligence and just be patient. I'll expose them in their own manners in which they confess. Perhaps many are not aware and time will tell. "Politics in Religion" within this forum alone, next heading coming soon. That's all for now.
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As far as I am concerned, mquran, AhmedBaghat and their likes, are the worst enemies of Quran themselves.
I agree with Ahmed Baghat on what he says regarding Qur'an.. I respect and certainly of the same views that Qur'an is errorless like MQuran. It is sad to know that we are the enemy of Qur'an. ;D
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As far as I am concerned, mquran, AhmedBaghat and their likes, are the worst enemies of Quran themselves.
I agree what Ahmed Baghat says. I respect and certainly of the same views Qur'an supremecy like MQuran. It is sad to know that we are the enemy of Qur'an. ;D
Instead of making such outwardly flowery claims, refute my points in the manner requested earlier. No need for dodging and sweating it out without any substance whatsover. Just refute what I said earlier in its proper context and at http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5264.30 when it defies TRUTH as per your Quran.
Is there anyone on this forum, other than mquran, AhmedBaghat and his cronies, who would like to educate me on my concerns in proper ethical discussions??? Assuming that I've gone astray or a total newbie, now EXPLAIN in detail your relevancy in contrast to my claims mentioned earlier, in order to bring me back to the belief that Quran IS the actual WORDS OF GOD and nothing else.???
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Hello all,
Hello Danish
AhmedBaghat?s fetish and frustrated lengthy rebuttals were perplexed and steamed out in both the cases I presented above,
Hehe, look mister danish, you even could not respond to it and acted like a child by posting further crap about the Quran without resolving the previous matters, this tells me that you are exactly as what MQ said, you always have a runner then come back later with more crap and non sense, I refuted your non sense fair and square, remember when I told ya we must have judges?, now you now mister cry baby cry why the judges are required, to stop you from crying my dear friend because I knew in advance that this is what you will do, cry baby cry
venturing out in circles to distinguish time periods and events in which those verses speak of, with a touch of tasty fruits and rotten blah blahs, and guilty of core concerns unresolved. I hope this time he won?t sweat as much for it?ll make it simpler in his case, for time, place and event mustn?t be a concern because
You are the one who is Guilty as charged, and I charged you with Kufr but I won?t force any punishment on you because I can?t neither I want to, I will leave this to Allah, but Allah told me in the Quran to tell you that the hell fire is really hot, I can produce a flash movie for you so you can have an idea, I will try to make it the one hell of a hell movie as close as possible to the descriptions in the Quran, would you like that mister hot?
The Quran challenges mankind to bring a (one) surah like it (223 and 103
Is this an alleged contradiction or what mister hot?, can?t you present your comments in a more logical way so the dumb can follow it?, or your comments are only for the smarts mister smart?
I hope you understand what the challenge is from the first place
Are you still on that Trip?
Now mister mister, or mister hot whatever you like to be called, Sura like it must follow the following criteria
- it has a similar content
- it has to be from a god
Now I?m sure you were not aware of point 2, but logically speaking mister hot, did the Quran explicitly said that the sura like it must be in the content? NO, IT NEVER DID, therefore LIKE IT must be in any aspect that the two will be compared including the author identity and both authored must be gods so we can compare them and which one has authored the best content
now that non sense in the link you posted, I was aware of it ages ago mister hot, can?t be admissible because simply they are made by a bunch of humans and not by a god as well the Arabic linguistics are weak, funny as well full of errors, the content is total nonsense despite they they stole many verses from the Quran to make it sounds like it while total non sense are inserted in between, how the hell a non Arabic speaker like you can compare the two from the language point of view? Also is it translated into English so you can judge its content?
Now let me make it easier for ya to understand
The Quran says about itself this is a book authored by the God and it challenges humans/jinns to bring ?Ietto? a sura like it, now that sura must be by a god as well, or we can?t compare the two indeed
Now it will be hard for the believers to confirm that the author of the Quran is the God and it will be hard for the losers to bring a sura like it from a god, therefore the challenge can?t be met and the outcome is really simple
The believers believe in what they believe and the losers believe in what they believe, it is not like the condition yo believe if only when to fail to bring a sura like it
Khalifa
If you have any doubt regarding what we revealed to our servant, then produce one sura like these, and call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful.Yusuf Ali
And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true.Pickthal
And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave, then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful."Progressive Muslims"
And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.?Original Arabic Text?
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(24)-> See, EXACTLY AS I SAID, the condition is ? call upon your own witnesses against GOD, if you are truthful?, NOW THAT WITNESS MUST BE THEIR GOD WHO MADE A SURA LIKE IT, did you get it mister smart?
-> That is why Allah said in 224 ? But if you do (it) not and never shall you do (it),?, because He knows that there is NO OTHER GODS WHO WILL PRODUCE A SURA LIKE IT
To be continued?.
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Khalifa
If they say, "He fabricated it," say, "Then produce one sura like these, and invite whomever you wish, other than GOD, if you are truthful."Yusuf Ali
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides God, if it be ye speak the truth!"Pickthal
Or say they He hath invented it ? Say Then bring a surah like unto it, and call on all ye can besides Allah, if ye are truthful."Progressive Muslims"
Or do they say he invented it? Say "Then bring a chapter like it, and call upon whoever you can besides God if you are truthful!"(3
-> Mister smart, as I said before and was confirmed in 223, it is confirmed here again in 1038, the sura like it must be from a god and that god must come to witness and prove that he is the author ?Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides God, if it be ye speak the truth!?
Not satisfied, the Quran further challenges to bring yet another 10 surahs instead of one in precisely the same manner as in 1038
Well, the challenge was 10 suras like it and from a god, that god must also come to witness and prove that it was him, the due to the failure the challenge was reduced to JUST ONE SURA and that is a mere 3 verses from a god
Khalifa
If they say, "He fabricated," tell them, "Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful."Yusuf Ali
Or they may say, "He forged it," Say, "Bring ye then ten suras forged, like unto it, and call whomsoever ye can, other than God!- If ye speak the truth!Pickthal
Or they say He hath invented it. Say Then bring ten surahs, the like thereof, invented, and call on everyone ye can beside Allah, if ye are truthful!"Progressive Muslims"
Or do they say "He invented it!" Say "Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call on whom you can besides God if you are truthful."?Original Arabic Text?
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(14)-> Again and again and again, the first challenge for 10 suras must be from a god and that god must come and witness that it is from him as a condition to be truthful ?Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful.?
Clearly in it says ?If they fail to meet your challenge,?because Allah knows that there no gods who will author 10 suras like it but Him, then Allah added ?then know that this is revealed with GOD's knowledge, and that there is no god except He. Will you then submit??, see the inclusion of ? there is no god except He?, is the outcome of the failure of that challenge because they will fail to bring their gods who authored 10 suras like it, NOW I ASK YOU DANISH ? Will you then submit??
You may ask me why the hell this does not apply on the Quran, why the Author of the Quran should not come and give a witness that it is from Him?, well, because the Kuffar are the ones who are challenging NOT US, we only convey a message for God sake, it is their arrogance and denial that is stopping them and consequently the onus is on them to prove their claim without any doubt, we don?t need to prove that the Quran is from Allah, we only believe in it and you should only reject it but not to bloody rants like divorced wife who does not want to let go, that the Quran is not from Allah, and you can bring a sura like it, well, if you can then YOU HAVE TO BRING THAT GOD TO GIVE A WITNESS THAT IT IS FROM HIM and you will never be able to do it so why not shutting the hell up?, you can only reject and we can only believe, and that is what the Quran said exactly in 1040, a couple of verses after the 1038 challenge
39- Nay, they reject that of which they have no comprehensive knowledge, and the final sequel of it has not yet come to them; even thus did those before them reject (the truth); see then what was the end of the unjust.
40- And of them is he who believes in it, and of them is he who does not believe in it, and your Lord best knows the mischief-makers.
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(40)-> See, you reject it despite after 1400 no one came with a sura by another god like it? - Nay, they reject that of which they have no comprehensive knowledge?, at least Allah is telling us that that you and the likes like you are uttering nothing but utter non sense because you lack the knowledge mister Danish ? of which they have no comprehensive knowledge?, what you are doing mister Danish is exactly like many losers before you in the last 1400 years ? even thus did those before them reject (the truth); see then what was the end of the unjust?, Allah knows that despite all that it will end with a bunch of rejectors and a bunch of believers ? And of them is he who believes in it, and of them is he who does not believe in it,?, that is what both of us can do bro, however I?m sure this bit in the verse is about you? and your Lord best knows the mischief-makers.?
To be continued?.
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Mr. Ahmed, the un-smart,
Read and understand what I requested for, to mquran, KGB and yourself earlier. If you can't, then forget about it. I'll understand your pain, frustrations and sweating to exercise your senses. I am not going to circumvent around you and your cronies, like you do at Haj. This clearly shows yours, mquran's and others' weaknesses in proper refutations and ethical discussions.