Looks Versus Speech
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Peace Arnold,
There are patterns of 19 in the Quran that are not based on numerics but on mathematics, on 7430 refer to it in an interresting way, as we both agree mailika mean controllers.
What so-called "patterns" do you mean?
What the pattern does, is giving a way to investigate what is part of it and what not.
So what is part of it and what is not?
This showed itself bit by bit. So our understanding grew by itself. The God promises the Quran is protected.
Is this not enough?
If i buy a house, and the seller claims it to be protected, i want to see the alarmsystem myself so i can see that it is protected. The Quran has never changed, how do we know? How can we tell? Wishfull thinking? God made everything checkable for us, our creation, even our re-creation, all is possible to check. This rule also applies to the Quran, as God doesn't need wishfull thinking. All claims can be proven, so also the protection of the Quran.
How does the so-called Code 19 make you know that the great reading never changed? Is the proof given in 482 and the truth in the message that we can emprically verify in our own lives not enough? Haven't you experienced those things?
EDIP YUKSEL
7431 We appointed controllers to be guardians of Gehenna, and we made their
number to be only a trial/punishment for the unappreciative, to convince
those who received the book, to strengthen the faith of the faithful, to
remove doubts from the hearts of those who received the book, as well as
the believers, and to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and
the disbelievers; they will say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?"
GOD thus sends astray whoever wills, and guides whoever wills. None
knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the
people."I was talking about this, and the mistake rashad made, and you corrected, still don't take away the strenght and message of the verse.
The message of the verse is that what is in blue is the result of what is in red NOT a result of any number by itself. I hope that you can see the difference and the implications.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
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Peace all,
Allah has promised to protect THE MESSAGE, not the literal each and every letter. That is why there are 10 versions of al-qur'aan with minor differences in letters and verse counts, but no difference in the overall message. Any code can only be based on counting letters, but can NEVER ENCODE A MESSAGE, as a message is not like letters that can be counted and codified. The same message can be given by 10 different sentences with different words and letters and in different languages that will still express the same message, even if they do not retain the code properties. On the other hand a text can have contradictory, illogical message and yet can have a mathematical code based on each and every letter, and such a code will accomplish nothing.
Example is a "mathematical surah like unto it" at the following link which is "protected" by code 19
http//monotheism.faithweb.com/response.html
Code 19 DOES NOT protect against ADDITION or DELETION of surahs or verses from al-qur'aan that have similar code 19 properties. That is a mathematical fact. For example, what if there were 228 (19 x 12) original chapters with many additional chapters that began with initials and had the code 19 property, and 114 of them were deleted ? or what if there were 133 (19 x 7) original chapters and 19 of them were deleted ? Or what if there were only 57 (19 x 3) or 76 (19 x 4) or 95 (19 x 5) original chapters and extra chapters were added to make up the total of 114 chapters ?
How come code 19 of al-qur'aan has not been published in a SINGLE scientifically reputable journal. If it really had the wonderful statistical significance based on valid and consistent methodology, it should have appeared in a reputable scientific journal by now. A MIRACLE based on mathematics and statistics not even worthy of being published in a reputable scientific journal ? Does not make any sense.
In summary NO CODE (EVEN IF IT EXISTS) can be used to protect even the literal number of words/verses/chapters etc. let alone a MESSAGE.