An important new under standing of a verse from Quran
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Peace,
http//www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/04/new_notable_47_413.php?utm_source=seedmag-main=rss
Stay away from the light! Or don't. A new study has found a biological basis for near death experience. According to the findings, what might be perceived as stepping out of the body or seeing a white light or feeling an extreme sense of calm might just be the REM sleep state intruding on wakefulness.
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Peace Sikandar,
I think that your conclusions are very interesting and I think they become even more interesting when we read 660 along with 3942.
Peace all,
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Peace,
http//www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/04/new_notable_47_413.php?utm_source=seedmag-main=rss
Stay away from the light! Or don't. A new study has found a biological basis for near death experience. According to the findings, what might be perceived as stepping out of the body or seeing a white light or feeling an extreme sense of calm might just be the REM sleep state intruding on wakefulness.
Interesting. Also, now I know how to determine the ideal female butt. Sweet. D
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Interesting. Also, now I know how to determine the ideal female butt. Sweet.
Heh, I wanted to tell people to concentrate on the light aspect lest they get distracted but it's all good ;D
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For Myer and my other friends who do not have time to go
through the long story i am posting a short summary of the finding however i recommend thatyou should go through the original post to find out as to how did i stumble upon this new understanding, thanks
sikandar hayat
6;60
Khalifa
He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
Yusuf Ali
It is He who doth take your souls by night, and hath knowledge of all that ye have done by day by day doth He raise you up again; that a term appointed be fulfilled; In the end unto Him will be your return; then will He show you the truth of all that ye did.
Pickthal
He it is Who gathereth you at night and knoweth that which ye commit by day. Then He raiseth you again to life therein, that the term appointed (for you) may be accomplished. And afterward unto Him is your return. Then He will proclaim unto you what ye used to do.
"Progressive Muslims"
And He is the One who takes you at night, and He knows what you have done during the day, then He sends you back to it until a fixed span; then to Him is your return and He will inform you of what you used to do. God is saying that i seize/ take/connect to your souls at night and i get to know what you have been cooking in your brains during the day ,meaning i down load the data from your hard disk for my information and record every night.
Then he returns / reloads us back in to our bodies every morning and keeps doing this for a specified period.And finaly when he seizes us permanantely from our bodies ,as he had down loaded the data every night of our daily activities He would confront us with this available data on the day of judgment -
Peace,
I don't totaly agree with this downloading idea, as saying God is not connected with the soul the whole day. Also is the concept of dreaming and conciousness explained through the Quantum vacuum. Where all information gets recorded immediatly into the resonance of the field. This proven in labs. All we do, think, say, everything that happens, gets recorded into the Quantum vacuum. But this verse is intruiging indeed. And maybe can give more hints to what is happening between the field and our soul.
In this field everything is recorded, from the leaf that falls, to your most inner-thoughts.
I'm also busy with a compilation of scientific proven concepts of death and dreaming that in my eyes coincide with the Quran. Maybe you want to work together...
Siki, will you please read this topic
This is gonna be a real short scientific theory intro, i hope it will be enough.
We know now through Quantum physics, that the material world around us, is not based on 'loose' particles with empty space between them. Now it is shown with experiments, that there is no empty space, all is filled with energy. We live in one gigantic energy field. This energy field is even bigger then our universe, and probably encompasses al universes. So this means if you move your arm, you 'push' aside energy, and this will have effect throughout the whole field, it will not have huge effect, but it is like your in a pool, and you cause ripples and currents when you splash your arms, not just around you, but in the whole pool.
The reality around us is based on different levels of worlds, that all are fixed in this field. Your organs are made out of cells, the cells out of cytoplasma, the cytoplasma out of molecules, the molecules out of neutrones,protones,elektrones, these are based on quarks and energy waves, these are again based on smaller waves and then you will end up in infinity, you will end up in a giant pool of energy. So these all form different levels of worlds that are all formed out of one source. The Quantum Vacuum. We are like icecubes flaoting in water, made out of the same substance, but are on different levels. One of the key factors they have found out is that time doesn't exist in this field. They 'linked' two molecules in a lab, they split them up, but they found out it doesn't matter how far the molecules are separated, they remain 'linked', what happens to one molecule will effect the other. And this goes with the speed of billion times the light speed. If they let the molecule change its spin, immidiatly the other molecule will also adapt its spin as it were next to the other molecule while in reality they were miles apart.
Also something they discovered through various experiments is that this field can contain information. They found this out through resonant fields that remained after experiments. What they did in the lab, had a remaining effect in the field, like it 'remembered' what they did during their experiments. This came about in lots of different labatories. Also neurologists started to work with them that are specialized in memory. They think they have enough evidence that most memory is stored in the Quantum vacuum, and not your brain. It is like the field workes as a gigantic 'memory'. The ripple of something that happened in the vacuum, from a movement to a thought, will cause a ripple in the field, because you use the vacuum's energy, the molecules that are used in those processes are all formed out of the field. So all that is done with those molecules and particles will effect the vacuum. So even all your thoughts are inprinted in the vacuum. It is like the mother-Book that is mentioned in the Quran and other revelations. It doesn't forget, your actions and all the actions of everything made out of the field, of all the creations that ever were and are now are stored as ripples in the field. Our brain can tap into the field, it can trace our own 'frequency' it seems. Experiments with mice showed, that every time they burned away a little part of the brain, they hoped to determine were memory lies. So they learned the rats to follow mazes, everytime they burned a part of the brain, the mice still remembered how to walk the maze. Even after burning away 70% of the brains, the mice still knew the way, they hardly could drag themselves, their limb-functions were minimum, but the memory remained. After a lot of these types of researches on memory like this, and most show, that as long a little part remains, even when the limbs can't even function properly anymore, the connection with the information remained. So this shows the brain is far more likely to be a transmitter, a link between the information, your 'frequency', then the storage of the information. This gave a whole new implacation to neurology.
The field is now common knowledge in science, from higher physics to doctors, all have shown results our conceptions of the vacuum are proven true. There were some neurologists who found out some people are more sensetive for the vacuum then others, that could tap in more then just their energy ripple in the vacuum. They could see other peoples memories and what people were doing in the room next door. These were proven in multiple labs and experiments. So the idea started that our bodies could maybe also pick information up from the field, maybe from people already deceased. This would be really logical, as most experiments show, the vacuum exists and the vacuum also stores all information in ripples of all that happened inside its creations, then it is highly likely sensitive people could also pick up information of already deceased persons. Not only their memory, but also their bodies picking up features as birth-marks that also is stored and picked by the cells of your bodies. So this explains why there are such detailed stories by kids about people living hundreds of years ago. Why they can pick up foreign languages, feel you. Why animals feel you, why pets like dogs now their boss is dead, without being there to see it, they 'feel' it. Sensetive people can pick up any information caused by humans, and thinking they're 'mediums' of deceased people or they're telephatic. They're not, they're just....more sensetive.
They came on this thought because in most experiments, children till the age of 8, were the most sensetive for picking up information in the field. And most recordings of past lives came from children, this is a logical link, so the hypothese is backed by scientifical confirmations from other branches of sciences. This also gave explanations on prophecies by peoples on events, why people know a love-oned died the moment it happens without being there, why you know somebody stares at your back, why the heartbeats of people in room after a time synchronize, why twins can sense each other across the world, why kids(who are the most sensetive with picking up info from the vacuum)can speak foreign languages without ever learning. This is because we are all linked through the Quantum vacuum and pick up information that is stored in the field. Even NASA is now busy with trying to see if they van use this vacuum as energy source for their rockets. It is researched for using it as a communication-device, using the 'linked' molecules as signals.
This also arised theories on where we go when we dream, where the information comes from that forms our dreams. That our conciousness travels the information in the field. Going beyond just the frequency of our conciousness.This explained so many mysteries as gravity and cell-communication and so on. They mostly call it the Quantum vacuum, Quantum foam or the Zero point Field, because the energy remains below 0 kelvin, while all matter stops being active at this tempature.
Also one of the implications of this all, was the understanding of the emerging of the universe and how it handles information. One of the most worked out theories, is that like i told above, all information of everything that ever happenend inside the quantumfield, will be stored, 'remembered' by the field. It sounds really like the 'mother-book' the Quran talks about. This universe will die out one day, all energy and matter will loose all their movement, and so the universe will 'die'. One of the most basic theories is, is that
1.all will implode and form a new bigbang.
2. all will be dragged into black holes, and then will create a new bigbang on the other side of the holes.So a new bigbang is the most likely thing that will occur, but now watch, all the information stored by the Quantumfield still remains, that cannot be deleted. And labs-tests shows, matter and energy follow the 'ripples' inside the field, they frollow the information. So this means, all energy will form new matter, just in our bigbang, it will dispurse and seperate and follow the same speed, just like in our universe 'version'. It will form stars and planets, while following this blue print, stored inside the field. Matter will follow the 'grooves' allready made in our universe. But this also means our universe will also create life again! This means humans will develope again, and will follow a growth in knowledge. You will be created again, because you are also still part of the blue print. Does this already starting to sound familiar with something? But here's the catch, the energy and matter, will follow the most dominate 'ripples'. So if you have done mostly good in your life, this will be more dominate in your next ''you". The acts you have done most in life, will dominate your next "you". These are just theories, but these are made without scientists ever thought of linking them to the 'afterlife'. And these are becoming more and more theories that are accepted, because of the evidences are pilling up. So a person doing 'good' now, as his/her most dominate act, will affect your next you in a serious matter, this same applies to doing 'bad'. Somebody living 'heaven', because of his previous life doing good, somebody living 'hell' because of doing bad previously.
The higher a society becomes, the more higher it will get in the 'next' universe. So everything you do now, will have serious effect on the 'next'creation. From what you do as an individual, to what society as a whole does. This is why Islam/submission is needed, because we will create a better version in the hereafter, litteraly.
It is hard to explain so much information in such a small topic. But these are becomming more and more highly accepted theories now. Is this maybe a scientific approach to the afterlife? Godwilling we know more in time.
I can recommend the book by L.McTaggert; The Field, and The Reenchanted cosmos by E.Laszlo. I also have more titles but they are in dutch, since a lot of dutch Quantum Physicus are researching this. But these are books that explain it in a simple and amuzing way.
Peace
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kashif and savage_carrot , my friends thanks very much for referring me
to NDE and light . i have explored it and indeed it has solved a great mystry
dream of mine, sikandarsome months ago when i was at cross roads of shedding my sunni beliefs for
the new found truth, i was feeling guilty ,hence i asked for his guidance.
i saw two dreams. in one i saw prophet mohammad like a normal human being
carrying out his day to day chores as well as doing God's job ,
this was quite clear as to what message i was being passed on but however
the second dream was quite diffrent and strange , i will narrate that here in
detail for you to comment on .I am in a semi dark room and i see this bright white light coming through
a hole in ventilator , i focus on it and think that this may be sun peeping
through, suddenly that light becomes a beam and stops 6 inches away from
may face , it is a like a rectangle tv screen 6 inch into aprox10 inch. it does
not touch my face but stops about a foot short of my face like a hologram
then suddenly i realize that some thing has travelled through this beam .
i focus on this and think , it is a butterfly /dragon fly about
a centimeter in size, it is fluttering at high speed. first i think it is some kind of
an insect ,then i realize , no it is a mechanical device , some kind of a small
gyro spinning at a very high speed, i am amazed and intrigued and try
to touch this thing by extending my hand
and then all of a sudden i hear this voice,
God is making/ trying to make/ establishing contact with you.
and the beam disappears. i get overwhelmed , raise my hands and pray to
God saying some kind of thanks,(in dream) Once i wake up i remember the dream in minute details in a vivid mannerwhat was that ? please comment,
what i think now after reading NDE , i keep my comments
reserved for somtime till i get your inputs on the subjects or any similar experinces.Trust me what i am telling you above is absoultely accurate,
sikandar hayat -
Peace Sikandar,
kashif and savage_carrot , my friends thanks very much for referring me
to NDE and light . i have explored it and indeed it has solved a great mystry
dream of mine, sikandarWell, I'm glad it helped you in some way.
what i think now after reading NDE , i keep my comments
reserved for somtime till i get your inputs on the subjects or any similar experinces.Well, I think after reading the link, one sees the biological basis for these NDE's. Pretty much like some drug users claim that because the same visions are experienced by so many people, it must be true 'nirvana'. It's common human reaction to the drugs.
what was that ? please comment,
Well, I'm no expert at reading the dreams of another person, but it seems very interesting. I have had dreams of Jude Law after seeing I Love Huckabees, and I can tell you, it wasn't pretty at all.
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Peace be upon you arnoldyasin,
EXCELLENT POST! I also disagree that we are not conected to the God all day and night and your post provides the theme of the evidence. The God is the CORE of our being. There is ONE BEING manifest as many. We are consciousness, experiencing the Spirit(energy/matter). Dreams are like a diagnostic test to help you keep track of your performance. When we correct our behavor properly, our dreams will reflect righteousness as well as our waking life.
Arnoldyasin, I recommend to you the book "Metu Neter" by Ra Un Nefer Amen. I think you will enjoy it. I will check out the book you recommended also.
Great Post!
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Peace Arnoldyasin and idolfree.
what you two are discussing is rocket science and i am just another dumb guy,
i have not been able to comprehend BIG BoSS in any way ,so i can not comment
on his presence or connections , he said he blew his spirit into us, could he be
clonning himself in any sort of way?
what i can comprehend , there is a definate syestem of controllers(Malaika) in place to stear the events towards a predetermined design , could they be authorised to down load the info for carrying out their tasks ? and for record , may be there is not enough memory space in our brain"s hard disks for detailed info of a complete life span
yasin ; thanks i shall try and do some reading off your recommended material
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Peace,
Siki, our brain doesn't hold any memory, it can only link with the information that is recorded in the Quantum field. So that is why i don't agree with the downloading you give in your post, as we ourselves are downloading information all the time out of the Quantum field. So these verses tell something else that i will investigate.
As for blowing the spirit into us, is an expression. We are not clones of God, as God is the All and cannot be cloned. You can't have two everythings.... So this is symbolic, as exactly for what, i'm still not sure.
And idolfree, thank you...
Peace
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Peace
Regarding the issue of NDE (allthough the rest of the thread is highly interesting as well...)
There is a big problem with so called scientific deconstructions of Near Death Experiences.
The general idea of all these deconstructions is that NDEs are hallucinations caused through hormonal and/or neurological processes by whatever (physiological/psychological) reasons.
There have been interesting experiments regarding this and many interesting theories.
There actually are several different scientific explanations for NDEs!However, when you come to think of it, all our perceptions could in the end be deconstructed as just simply caused by hormonal or neurological processes in our brain. Because, that?s what all our perceptions are in the end.
When I see this computer in fron of me, this is measurable in my brain and if I had just a hallucination of it the brain processes would not be that different.So, who is the one to decide which of our perceptions are real and which are only based on brain hallucinations?
The truth is that all are both, to a certain extent.
Either one has to become a total nihilist with regards to all perceptions, explaining them away as just brain processes, or one tries to take all human experiences as relevant
(as long as they don?t lead people to nonsense, I?d say, but that?s a subjective judgement).I never had a NDE so I can?t really judge here.
But I once met someone who claimed to have had one and that this was a very very vital experiences to him that totally changed his life and turned him into a better person with more positive values.
Who am I to tell that person that this very very vital experience that totally changed his life was just a hallucination?
I have to respect that to him that experience was real just as much as to me writing on my computer now seems real.Regards,
Leyla
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Dear arnoldyasin,
Your article is interesting and summarizes some of the research done by scientists looking into the area of ?paranormal? activities.
Already many years back, neurologists have concluded that there must be ?something? outside of our bodies affecting our actions/reactions, as nothing within ourselves could explain some of our emotions.
However, these fields of science are the areas where facts are explained by theories bordering on pure guesswork. Many scientists still find much of the experiments and the theories explaining facts from these experiments as amusing, but not scientific.As most of us, adhering to islam, are struggling with questions not having ready answers through traditional science, theories as you mentioned could put some of our questions at rest, or at least, give plausible explanations.
I also believe that everything in the universe is interconnected; nothing exists on a totally separate island and that there is no such thing as ?nothing?.
I must admit that I am not too familiar with this field, but have formed some opinions based on what has been found.Our brains do seem to have memory-areas, but there also seem to be memory-areas in other parts of our bodies, besides our brains.
I also believe that our brains are connected with something many call the Quantum Field, but that it does not upload and download information only during our sleep. I find it more probable that most of the information is constantly copied between the ?media?. But, of course, this is more a guess than a theory.I must find time and energy to look into these questions again. Anyway thank you for interesting info.
Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
Ali, NONE of these theories were based on theorising. All came through experimenting. So all are based on facts that came through research. I'm a biochemist myself so i know how to form scientifical knowledge. I want to know your background as you talk like you're a scientist yourself. I can really recommend books as the Field by Lynn McTaggert, which summarises experiments which formed these theories.
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Dear arnoldyasin,
Working with science you know that theories are used to explain facts, unlike the common notion that theories are the same as guesswork.
However, when facts are not conclusive we sometimes tend to explain inconclusive facts with theories as well, and then we are guessing, i.e. we may end up with two contradicting theories, each of which are equally plausible.Yes, I do have some experience, mainly within applied physical science, although I am now retired. I.e. I have been working with ?dead? matters unlike your good self.
As mentioned, I must find time and energy to look into some of the things I am less familiar with, within this field, as I find it interesting.
I will definitely try to get my hands on the book you mentioned by Lynn McTaggert. I am not familiar with the name but hope to acquire some new insight into the questions at hand.Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
She is not a scientist but a science-reporter and decided to make a summary of scientifical experiments that were known in the science world but not in the 'common' peoples world. She did a good job. If you want i can mail you books about it i have on my pc.
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Peace be upon you,
As for blowing the spirit into us, is an expression. We are not clones of God, as God is the All and cannot be cloned
Correct. However being made accroding to the God's pattern (another verse) and that implies that we have the same attributes as the God, in quality, NOT QUANTITY.
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Peace,
Yes, i agree, God is the ultimate Self, and we 'little' Selfs must take His attributes as our examples. And we can attain them all, but not in quantity..
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How does sleep and dream fit in quantum field? Who takes us and why are we taken /disabled at night, During REM phase who is testing our biological functions (eye movement erection etc). why there is no dreaming during deep sleep phase?
I suppose quantum field can not have information about events which have not taken place as yet . how can our brains access future events while dreaming and that also in an encrypted form, from quantum field?
I tend to agree with omar regarding scientific theories on the cutting edge. Some times a small missing link or change in parameter turns the whole proven theory upside down
I believe in matching my theories with quran rather than other way around, because science has been ,and will always remain well short off the facts scripted in the scriptures
Darwins revolutionary theory can not and will never be able to face up to God s assertions regarding creation of mankind. This happens when science tries to explain things much beyond its capability at a given time ,
660 seems to be very straight. This ayat consists of five sentences. As it is one ayat, its subject would be one . and the only connection between sentence no 1 .2 and 5 could possibly be what I explained.He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
intresting subject . lets continue siki