An important new under standing of a verse from Quran
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kashif and savage_carrot , my friends thanks very much for referring me
to NDE and light . i have explored it and indeed it has solved a great mystry
dream of mine, sikandarsome months ago when i was at cross roads of shedding my sunni beliefs for
the new found truth, i was feeling guilty ,hence i asked for his guidance.
i saw two dreams. in one i saw prophet mohammad like a normal human being
carrying out his day to day chores as well as doing God's job ,
this was quite clear as to what message i was being passed on but however
the second dream was quite diffrent and strange , i will narrate that here in
detail for you to comment on .I am in a semi dark room and i see this bright white light coming through
a hole in ventilator , i focus on it and think that this may be sun peeping
through, suddenly that light becomes a beam and stops 6 inches away from
may face , it is a like a rectangle tv screen 6 inch into aprox10 inch. it does
not touch my face but stops about a foot short of my face like a hologram
then suddenly i realize that some thing has travelled through this beam .
i focus on this and think , it is a butterfly /dragon fly about
a centimeter in size, it is fluttering at high speed. first i think it is some kind of
an insect ,then i realize , no it is a mechanical device , some kind of a small
gyro spinning at a very high speed, i am amazed and intrigued and try
to touch this thing by extending my hand
and then all of a sudden i hear this voice,
God is making/ trying to make/ establishing contact with you.
and the beam disappears. i get overwhelmed , raise my hands and pray to
God saying some kind of thanks,(in dream) Once i wake up i remember the dream in minute details in a vivid mannerwhat was that ? please comment,
what i think now after reading NDE , i keep my comments
reserved for somtime till i get your inputs on the subjects or any similar experinces.Trust me what i am telling you above is absoultely accurate,
sikandar hayat -
Peace Sikandar,
kashif and savage_carrot , my friends thanks very much for referring me
to NDE and light . i have explored it and indeed it has solved a great mystry
dream of mine, sikandarWell, I'm glad it helped you in some way.
what i think now after reading NDE , i keep my comments
reserved for somtime till i get your inputs on the subjects or any similar experinces.Well, I think after reading the link, one sees the biological basis for these NDE's. Pretty much like some drug users claim that because the same visions are experienced by so many people, it must be true 'nirvana'. It's common human reaction to the drugs.
what was that ? please comment,
Well, I'm no expert at reading the dreams of another person, but it seems very interesting. I have had dreams of Jude Law after seeing I Love Huckabees, and I can tell you, it wasn't pretty at all.
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Peace be upon you arnoldyasin,
EXCELLENT POST! I also disagree that we are not conected to the God all day and night and your post provides the theme of the evidence. The God is the CORE of our being. There is ONE BEING manifest as many. We are consciousness, experiencing the Spirit(energy/matter). Dreams are like a diagnostic test to help you keep track of your performance. When we correct our behavor properly, our dreams will reflect righteousness as well as our waking life.
Arnoldyasin, I recommend to you the book "Metu Neter" by Ra Un Nefer Amen. I think you will enjoy it. I will check out the book you recommended also.
Great Post!
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Peace Arnoldyasin and idolfree.
what you two are discussing is rocket science and i am just another dumb guy,
i have not been able to comprehend BIG BoSS in any way ,so i can not comment
on his presence or connections , he said he blew his spirit into us, could he be
clonning himself in any sort of way?
what i can comprehend , there is a definate syestem of controllers(Malaika) in place to stear the events towards a predetermined design , could they be authorised to down load the info for carrying out their tasks ? and for record , may be there is not enough memory space in our brain"s hard disks for detailed info of a complete life span
yasin ; thanks i shall try and do some reading off your recommended material
regards sikandar -
Peace,
Siki, our brain doesn't hold any memory, it can only link with the information that is recorded in the Quantum field. So that is why i don't agree with the downloading you give in your post, as we ourselves are downloading information all the time out of the Quantum field. So these verses tell something else that i will investigate.
As for blowing the spirit into us, is an expression. We are not clones of God, as God is the All and cannot be cloned. You can't have two everythings.... So this is symbolic, as exactly for what, i'm still not sure.
And idolfree, thank you...
Peace
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Peace
Regarding the issue of NDE (allthough the rest of the thread is highly interesting as well...)
There is a big problem with so called scientific deconstructions of Near Death Experiences.
The general idea of all these deconstructions is that NDEs are hallucinations caused through hormonal and/or neurological processes by whatever (physiological/psychological) reasons.
There have been interesting experiments regarding this and many interesting theories.
There actually are several different scientific explanations for NDEs!However, when you come to think of it, all our perceptions could in the end be deconstructed as just simply caused by hormonal or neurological processes in our brain. Because, that?s what all our perceptions are in the end.
When I see this computer in fron of me, this is measurable in my brain and if I had just a hallucination of it the brain processes would not be that different.So, who is the one to decide which of our perceptions are real and which are only based on brain hallucinations?
The truth is that all are both, to a certain extent.
Either one has to become a total nihilist with regards to all perceptions, explaining them away as just brain processes, or one tries to take all human experiences as relevant
(as long as they don?t lead people to nonsense, I?d say, but that?s a subjective judgement).I never had a NDE so I can?t really judge here.
But I once met someone who claimed to have had one and that this was a very very vital experiences to him that totally changed his life and turned him into a better person with more positive values.
Who am I to tell that person that this very very vital experience that totally changed his life was just a hallucination?
I have to respect that to him that experience was real just as much as to me writing on my computer now seems real.Regards,
Leyla
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Dear arnoldyasin,
Your article is interesting and summarizes some of the research done by scientists looking into the area of ?paranormal? activities.
Already many years back, neurologists have concluded that there must be ?something? outside of our bodies affecting our actions/reactions, as nothing within ourselves could explain some of our emotions.
However, these fields of science are the areas where facts are explained by theories bordering on pure guesswork. Many scientists still find much of the experiments and the theories explaining facts from these experiments as amusing, but not scientific.As most of us, adhering to islam, are struggling with questions not having ready answers through traditional science, theories as you mentioned could put some of our questions at rest, or at least, give plausible explanations.
I also believe that everything in the universe is interconnected; nothing exists on a totally separate island and that there is no such thing as ?nothing?.
I must admit that I am not too familiar with this field, but have formed some opinions based on what has been found.Our brains do seem to have memory-areas, but there also seem to be memory-areas in other parts of our bodies, besides our brains.
I also believe that our brains are connected with something many call the Quantum Field, but that it does not upload and download information only during our sleep. I find it more probable that most of the information is constantly copied between the ?media?. But, of course, this is more a guess than a theory.I must find time and energy to look into these questions again. Anyway thank you for interesting info.
Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
Ali, NONE of these theories were based on theorising. All came through experimenting. So all are based on facts that came through research. I'm a biochemist myself so i know how to form scientifical knowledge. I want to know your background as you talk like you're a scientist yourself. I can really recommend books as the Field by Lynn McTaggert, which summarises experiments which formed these theories.
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Dear arnoldyasin,
Working with science you know that theories are used to explain facts, unlike the common notion that theories are the same as guesswork.
However, when facts are not conclusive we sometimes tend to explain inconclusive facts with theories as well, and then we are guessing, i.e. we may end up with two contradicting theories, each of which are equally plausible.Yes, I do have some experience, mainly within applied physical science, although I am now retired. I.e. I have been working with ?dead? matters unlike your good self.
As mentioned, I must find time and energy to look into some of the things I am less familiar with, within this field, as I find it interesting.
I will definitely try to get my hands on the book you mentioned by Lynn McTaggert. I am not familiar with the name but hope to acquire some new insight into the questions at hand.Regds
Ali Omar
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Peace,
She is not a scientist but a science-reporter and decided to make a summary of scientifical experiments that were known in the science world but not in the 'common' peoples world. She did a good job. If you want i can mail you books about it i have on my pc.
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Peace be upon you,
As for blowing the spirit into us, is an expression. We are not clones of God, as God is the All and cannot be cloned
Correct. However being made accroding to the God's pattern (another verse) and that implies that we have the same attributes as the God, in quality, NOT QUANTITY.
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Peace,
Yes, i agree, God is the ultimate Self, and we 'little' Selfs must take His attributes as our examples. And we can attain them all, but not in quantity..
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How does sleep and dream fit in quantum field? Who takes us and why are we taken /disabled at night, During REM phase who is testing our biological functions (eye movement erection etc). why there is no dreaming during deep sleep phase?
I suppose quantum field can not have information about events which have not taken place as yet . how can our brains access future events while dreaming and that also in an encrypted form, from quantum field?
I tend to agree with omar regarding scientific theories on the cutting edge. Some times a small missing link or change in parameter turns the whole proven theory upside down
I believe in matching my theories with quran rather than other way around, because science has been ,and will always remain well short off the facts scripted in the scriptures
Darwins revolutionary theory can not and will never be able to face up to God s assertions regarding creation of mankind. This happens when science tries to explain things much beyond its capability at a given time ,
660 seems to be very straight. This ayat consists of five sentences. As it is one ayat, its subject would be one . and the only connection between sentence no 1 .2 and 5 could possibly be what I explained.He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
intresting subject . lets continue siki
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Peace,
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How does sleep and dream fit in quantum field?
When we dream, our conciousness 'travels' the information in the Quantum field, that is why you can dream about people you never met, things you have never seen. Why the most absurd things can take place, as you pick up information from everywhere in the field.Quote
Who takes us and why are we taken /disabled at night, During REM phase who is testing our biological functions (eye movement erection etc). why there is no dreaming during deep sleep phase?
There is not such a thing as position or time in the field. So being taken is metaphorically. Your conciousness is not 'taken' away literally. It goes to a different level of perception and recieving. And during deep sleep, it most likely is preparing itself for the dreamstate. As we know that our mind is forming new synapse connections and cleaning some substances from brain parts. So it has to go through stages before it can reach the dream state.Quote
I suppose quantum field can not have information about events which have not taken place as yet . how can our brains access future events while dreaming and that also in an encrypted form, from quantum field?
There is no time or position in the field, as time refers to movement of particles which cannot take place in the field as there are no loose particles, but only one connected 'bubble'. So everything is already encrypted but exactly how is still researched. So 'future events' cannot be observed yet by most people, but is possible by certain sensetive people and sometimes during dreaming. Also it can be that certain people can pick up things that can cause events, like a loose screw in a car is already in the present, if you would read that in the field durign a dream or vision, then the brain process that into a car accident in the future. So it can recognize and translate a 'cause' into an 'effect'.Quote
I tend to agree with omar regarding scientific theories on the cutting edge. Some times a small missing link or change in parameter turns the whole proven theory upside down
I believe in matching my theories with quran rather than other way around, because science has been ,and will always remain well short off the facts scripted in the scriptures
Till now, the Quantum field has explained almost all major questions in science. So the proof for it only gets stronger by the day. It is as strong as the proof for gravity. It is about 50 years old, even older them most of the theories you use about sleeping and dreaming, so your 'cutting' edge argument doesn't apply here. Also your 'matches' were made with your understanding of the Quran and of some science theories. So you have only proven your insight, which was based on certain knowledge. This doesn't mean the Quantum field cannot be matched with the same verses. I believe i have a better answer then yours, also coincides more with science.Quote
Darwin?s revolutionary theory can not and will never be able to face up to God s assertions regarding creation of mankind. This happens when science tries to explain things much beyond its capability at a given time ,
?? Design evolution coincides directly with the Quran, so Darwin had certain things wrong 200 years ago, but the main theory still stands and is proven to coincide with the Quran. So i don't see your example here.Read my article about creation
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=5702.0He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
Here it is only mentioned that our conciousness connects with the Quantumfield, exactly with what happens during our passing on(death), so this coincides perfectly with the Quantum field theories. Where does it say that God only knows your actions after the putting to death? It even seperates them by the 'and'. He puts you to death AND knows what you did. It would be connected if it said and THEN... But it only says and I know what you did...It gives one piece of info after the other, but doesn't connect them. And the Quantum field coincides perfectly with knowing even the smallest thing you did, as for every action in the creation, you use the Quantum fields energy and leave a mark in the field, which never gets erased. He makes your conciousness get back to the earth level of contact with the Quantum field until you get connected again after your death, and by thus return to Him with your understanding. By being connected again fully after your death with the Quantum field, you can have unlimited acces to all your deeds, and knowing them all, can create your Gehenna or your Djenna. As if you did wrong on earth, your free'd conciousness gets confronted with your deeds, and will feel the pain of the illusion you lived in(hell), or will feel the bliss of the truth you lived in(heaven).
So you can see by this short intro, i showed already perfectly how these verses coincides with the Quantum field.
I'll see if i can write a better article about it, this is only the first attempt, but i believe i already succeeded.Here are some links that can give you more information
http//www.quantumconsciousness.org/
http//dreamtalk.hypermart.net/abstracts2006/engelskirchen.htm
http//www.peterussell.com/index2.html/
http//www.articlebiz.com/article/3090-1-dreaming-the-field-the-importance-of-dreams/Peace
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Dear arnoldyasin,
Thank you for info.
I will first find the book you mentioned by McTaggert. It is correct that some scientific works are not readily available to the public, for many reasons. And there is also a certain amount of secrecy within the various fields of science.
I may take you up on your offer later on, thank you again.Regds
Ali Omar