We Made The Quran Easy To Learn [54:17]

Wakas

peace sugar,

Firstly, welcome to the forum.

You ask some nice questions.

Perhaps I can add some points to consider.

Most of us don?t have enough time to study it

Is to know/understand 'al quran' a necessity? When you give soemone an important responsibility, would you prefer them to give up if they realise the task is too great or do what they can?

Most of us would not know Arabic

If the signs/ayatin are in the horizons and within ourselves as well as in 'al quran', is Arabic the be all and end all? If the creation is a manifestation of the truth, science can be a tool to the truth. Just like Arabic is to 'al quran'.

Most people would abandoned the Quran and follow hadith and sunnah instead

Do you find that most people you meet are active in searching for the truth? The history of mankind tends to repeat itself, so it may be worthwhile studying all past examples in 'al quran' to see how things turn out.

Instead of learning the Quran people would just rely on scholars/one of the four madhhabs that decree laws outside the Quran, subsequently costing your salvation

And therein lies the test. This life is a distinguishing mechanism. Only an illogical/unappreciative person would not read the book God sent for them (if one believes it to be the Word of God that is, which I assume most Muslims do).

Because of minor differences in interpretations there would be major arguments and no unity amongst Submitter

When you have a difference with someone, that difference and how you respond to it, tends to highlight the person you are. Unity tends not to do that. Having unity is over-rated in my opinion, what I like is the mindset of seeking unity. Just like the way I see the truth, having it is nice for sure, but to seek it is truly beautiful to me.

For example, when 'al quran' says to hold tight to the rope of God, all of us together , I take one aspect of the metaphor to mean one has to continually keep a hold/grip in order to succeed.

Lastly, I set up a site specifically to ease the accessibility of 'al quran', please check it out www.studyquran.org

My tip when trying to study 'al quran' is to not let go...

Wakas

TheNabi

Peace

When so many people have interpreted it incorrectly and still cannot grasp it after years and years of studying?

It is said 'remember this...remember that' throughout the reading, sometimes from different vantage points, ahadeeth are given to highlight the injunctions. I think, because this is my own experience, people do not grasp the reading due to the fact that they are only grasping at a theoretical knowledge of it. It is said, 'the proof is in the pudding'. Taste it, experience the reading, this is the key.

When Moses met the man on his journey his theoretical know-how could not help him in what experience taught. God works in ways we do not understand, all for the good, though sometimes thought by us to be unfair, evil, et cetera. Experience will unlock that which theoretical knowledge will not open.

Joe

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Also because people for ages approached the Quran wrong, see 1746. People throw veils on their understanding, and are thus blocked from seeing the whole picture, we are still removing veil by veil, and have a long way. That happened also with Rashad, he was the first to approach the Quran from a God alone point of view, so he lost a lot of veils through that, but because he still stuck to certain understandings, he couldn't see the whole picture, and by thus translated some verses totaly wrong.

The prophet will say "O my Lord, my people had fettered/chained/fixed its position the Qur'an." (2530)(A horse or camel tied head to foot was called mahjoor, and the rope used for tying, al-hijaar(Taj). Making the animal immobile, as it stuck in its position, where the owners will leave it. The Quran today is thus fettered/chained by custom and tradition, fixed titles and meanings of words, hearsay reports compiled centuries later, and laws and by-laws enacted by men, each group having its own fiqah and shariah, which are held more sacrosanct and given predence over the Quran, and making thus the Quran fixed in meaning, where they want, and how they want. Making the versatile meanings immobile, freezing a certain meaning, and chaining the Quran with that meaning.)

We have immobilized the Quran by holding on to certain understandings of words or subjects in the Quran, and by thus blocking our understanding. We are only half way of being freed...

Peace

unknownuser

Most of us don?t have enough time to study it

Is to know/understand 'al quran' a necessity? When you give soemone an important responsibility, would you prefer them to give up if they realise the task is too great or do what they can?

I used to read Rashad?s translation of the Quran for about an hour everyday and I do remember a lot of it, as soon as I started to realise that there were many errors in it I started reading less of it. Until a few weeks ago I?ve hardly read anything at all -X. Some translators have translated the Quran in Elizabeth English and it is SO hard to understand it and I am sick of looking in the dictionary every 2 minutes -[. I hate the fact that the vast majority of translations of the Quran are mixed up with the hadith and have added notes in brackets to supplement the Quran -[. Since rejecting Hadith and Sunnah I always thought Islam was an easy religion and submission.org lead me to believe that everything Rashad said was enough for my salvation and I just had to follow it. -\

Blindly Following Rashad?s translation of the Quran and everything he initiated to supplement the Quran seemed simple and I was quite happy about that, now that I have discovered multitudes of his errors I feel totally lost, and I struggle to read five minutes of any translation of the Quran because it feels so fruitless. '( '( '(

Instead of learning the Quran people would just rely on scholars/one of the four madhhabs that decree laws outside the Quran, subsequently costing your salvation

And therein lies the test. This life is a distinguishing mechanism. Only an illogical/unappreciative person would not read the book God sent for them (if one believes it to be the Word of God that is, which I assume most Muslims do).

Actually most people I know would love to know Arabic, but being told that its so difficult to interpret the Quran most people are put off learning the Quran and just rely on scholars and/or follow one of the four madhhabs. Even that is not an ?easy option? since relying on scholars does not come cheap and the four maddhabs contradict each other badly yet all four are supposed to be right. ??? There is also a hadith out there which says that if one interprets the Quran with their own opinion they will be in hell. Plus I recall someone from a Muhammaden forum quoting a verse form the Quran which says ?ask those who have knowledge of the scripture? but what freaked me out was the Quran says those that misguide others will be in hell with the ones they misguided.

My family don?t follow the Quran alone like I do and they actually discourage me from reading any translation of the Quran other then the one we have on the shelf (which is contaminated with a ridiculous amount of notes and quotes form hadith, thus it is virtually impossible to know which part is the Quran and which part is the hadith).

They never allow me to debate with them about religion and I am expected to agree with EVERYTHING they say about Islam. It was actually their idolizing of Muhammad that made me question my beliefs as an Orthodox Muslim. My family idolize Muhammad MUCH more then most of the corrupt Muslims, sometimes I feel as though they are consciously worshipping him. Even most of the corrupt Muslims would probably agree with me that the lengths my family go to revere Muhammad is blatant shirk.

However my family have made their mind up and believe that if our local imam is incorrect with his teachings on Islam he will pay for their sins, not them. I can?t debate on the matter with them because all the hadith they follow abrogate all the Quranic commandments.

Peace,
Sugar

arnoldyasin

Peace, sister,

I had the same problem too in the beginning with the translations. So i can recommend you to go to wakas his beautifull site. I have studied multiple translations, and i have made a list of the best, down here.

www.studyquran.org
and
www.islamawakened.com

From the studyquran site, i recommend you the AhmedAli translation, the QXP(shabbir Ahmed), the freeminds(from this site), Muhammed Asad's, and the literal translation from ahmed and samira. If you use these five, you get the best understanding. Don't be discouraged. Keep studying! Let God guide you more...

stay strong, God bless....

Peace

unknownuser

Allah will help them to comprehend the message and this is done on ONE by ONE basis not a global thing to all humanity, in fact the ones who careless about the message, Allah will make it even harder on them in understand "dumb, deaf and blind"?

Proclaim, "The truth has prevailed, and falsehood has vanished; falsehood will inevitably vanish."
???

Peace,
Sugar

arnoldyasin

Salaam,

Sugar, i would love to discuss your path to the code and Quran alone.....

It would be nice to chat

[email protected]

unknownuser

The prophet will say "O my Lord, my people had fettered/chained/fixed its position the Qur'an." (2530

That?s in interesting translation of that verse, I haven?t come across any other translation like that before, who translated that verse?

I always thought the Quran had one fixed meaning;

He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.

Lol this reminds me of the time when my dad quoted a hadith which said 1 verse of the Quran has that many meanings to it that it would take 10 camels to carry the amount paper needed to explain that 1 verse. Lol now that?s going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to0 far. ;D ;D ;D

Peace,
Sugar

arnoldyasin

Peace,

Both Ahmed Ali and Dr.Shabbir Ahmed refer to this, but this recorded in the Arab-dictionary from TAJ, so it is based on clear language meaning. And so that verse must be translated like this, as mahjoor has 3 important uses to abondone/leave, to avoid, to fetter/chain.

So the verse would read like this

The prophet will say "O my Lord, my people has abondend the Quran, treated it as something to be avoided and has fettered/chained/fixed (the understandings) of the Qur'an." (2530)

This is not about multiple meanings as you imply in the verse given, which is also translated wrong. This is about the multiple meanings of words. As mahjoor means all 3 things, then all 3 things are meant here, as they all fit perfectly. This is the best way to translate and understand the Quran.

The verse you refer to, talks about the the difference between the clear out verses and the symbolic verses. The verse i give above is clear, as it is not about the symbolic language used, but just clear-out translating.

He has sent down this Book which contains some verses that are categorical and basic to the Book, and others allegorical. But those who are twisted of mind look for verses metaphorical, seeking deviation and giving to them interpretations of their own; but none knows their meaning except God; and those who are steeped in knowledge affirm "We believe in them as all of them are from the Lord." But only those who have wisdom understand.
Peace

unknownuser

Thanks Arnold ;D

Peace,
Sugar

unknownuser

peace sugar

i have the same dillemma as you. I still read Rashad's translation knowing it has many errors, I just like the simple English (like you) But I always use logic and compare different translations to make sure this or that verse is translated correctly.

The exercise I use is ignore all the footnotes, and ignore anything in parentheses unless it coincides with the context of the verse, to my understanding. I really wish people would just translate the Quran, and not put anything in the parentheses.