Why no record of prophets in europe,australasia and america?
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Peace mquran. I think iqbal was a genius too.What do you think of iqbal?
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I think iqbal was a genius too
Well, I look at a person's ideas and use them as face value. I never met Nietzsche or Iqbal but I'm certainly fascinated by their philosophy. At the same time, if I were concerned, I'd be perplexed at the contradictions in Iqbal's positions. Iqbal displayed a very acute sense of the philosophy of al-quraan yet at the same time displayed a very unquranic 'muslim nationalism'. But like I say, this has no bearing on me, only that's interested reading is all.
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Peace mquran. Yes,they are all human,and so have the potential for mistakes,contradictions,incomplete understandings etc...I think we can get ideas off these guys,and then ascertain/verify if the ideas are practically beneficial or not,even if we have to modify,or reject some of their ideas...
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Peace all,
Nowhere do I see in the reading something alluding to that all "anbyae" were from the middle east, they can be from anywhere, even from the amazon jungle, from the mayas and the aztecs.
I think that one of the reasons they seem to come all from that place is geography.
For a long time, middle east is the terestrial connection for three continents, thus the easiest and cheapest way of travelling. Many People from the three continents coexist in that region, the traveller, to locals, caravans, merchants etc... Each of them bringing his culture, stories. It is a good environment for hearsay to floorish, making all kind of stories and refining them. This is also true with knowledge. So with time, the majority of these stories were attached to that region.
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Peace
If I may throw my words in here ....
I feel troubled by Nietzsche.
Some of his philosophy seems so superb .... but not only does he lack spirituality, his moral theory is disturbing.
Actually I would even say that he has more spirituality than sense of morality.My relationship to Iqbal is similar. His "Reconstrusction" is one of the best pieces I ever had but his fractionalizing dreams of two nations.... seems so contradictory to me.
However, one needs to aknowledge that both these individuals published over a long time. Of course there opinions and thought systems evolved over time, changed, touched new dimensions.
The problem is that we don?t really see this anymore when we nowadays take "THE philosophy of Iqbal" or "THE philosophy of Nietzsche".Regards,
Leyla
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peace
what about George Washington, Mohandas k. Ghandi, Aristotle, Plato.
if we think objectively, messengers are all over the place who "contributes toward betterment".
you and i could be messengers too if we contribute towards betterment to inlfunce society...
peace, rifat
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We also have a language problem here.
Somehow the English word prophet (and similar words in other western tongues) also means someone who predicst future events, in a very general way.
Terms like soothsayer, clairvoyant etc. are easily mixed up with "prophet".However, the quranic nab? has a different function. He does indeed also warn of future events but of those of a higher order.
He is one who has news (naba) of al-akhirat and who warns and brings good news to humans, if I recall the relevant verses right.
At the same time, even the word ras?l is quite often translated as "prophet".
Ras?l, though, is just simply one who brings the ris?lah of God, no matter how, I?d say.
He is the one who practices tilaw?t-ul-qur'?n, close following of al-qur'?n.
There are also other related terms, like e.g. mursal.Well, the gist of this
Nostradamus surely doesn?t qualify as a nab? or ras?l. Especially since he conveyed all his "prophecies" in a coded language, not meant for the public.
Nietzsche and Iqbal maybe got parts of the ris?lah and conveyed these parts to humanity but it seems to me that they didn?t get the whole thing.
And even severely messed up parts of it.
Buddha, on the other hand, could have been a genuine ras?l and/or nab?. From what I have read about his (probably) most authentic words this seems highly possible.
But we will never fully know ....
Lao Tse maybe also was.
But again, we will never fully know ...Last note
I think messengers and prophets of Allah need to have an active role. I imagine Niezsche, Aristotle and Plato as more sitting in their little room and writing some stuff or sharing it with some few pupils. But not really DOING much .... -
There is no evidence whatsoever that Buddah existed in the past, all you say guys is hearsay like the hadith exactly, Haha
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My uncle has been asking me a question for some time now...He asks Why were prophets only seemingly sent to arab/semitic people only?...
Where is prophet 'bob' of the US,or nabi 'nick' of the Uk?...And while we are on the topic...rasool 'Sheila' from australia? Why no women,europeans,australians or americans?....My uncle sometimes mischieviously says,its because those areas with the 'traditional' 'documented' prophets,are the ones that most needed guidance,and so prophets were sent therehello
the followings may be the reasons
1- God couldnt find any briton/englishman who was spiritually, morally eligible for being a prophet. D
2- God wants all britons to be hell creatures and deliberately he has not sent them any messenger. D
3- No need to send any messenger to britons because britons as fierce imperialists have already been everywhere to exploit the rest of the world and so britons could easily access all scriptures sent to other people all over the world. D
If britons were believers then we would have to go on putting up with them in the nextworld, but they are hell creatures... Thank God! ) )
- Verily, those who are bent on denying the truth - from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide they are the worst of all creatures.
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Peace Ahmed
Partly yes, partly know.
As I said, we will never fuly know the details of his life and, you?re right, every other claim is hearsay.
But of course a certain philosophy does not come from nowhere.So, studying those pieces of Buddhist philosophy that are deemed (!) as most old and most authentic (not all of Buddhism is) I?d say
Wherever and from whomever that stuff comes, it preaches in most parts a message that is not in contradiction to al-qur'?n and could have come from a nab? or a ras?l.And, no, those pieces do not include ideas of literal reincarnation, atheism or other parts of later Buddhism.
Additionally, these pieces forbid worship of images and call to the aknowledgement of one truth and to an ethical life.But, again, we will never fully know .....
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peace layla,
1- God couldnt find any briton/englishman who was spiritually, morally eligible for being a prophet.
2- God wants all britons to be hell creatures and deliberately he has not sent them any messenger.
3- No need to send any messenger to britons because britons as fierce imperialists have already been everywhere to exploit the rest of the world and so britons could easily access all scriptures sent to other people all over the world.
YOU CALL THIS GOD THE MERCIFUL BENEFACTOR ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? o
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Ahmed, believing that Muhammad Ibn Abdullah existed as a historical person is also hearsay, to a certain extent.
We will not fully know that one as well.
Though I do believe that he existed.Lol Layla
that is exactly what I'm saying, so when the Quran aloners suggest as such, they have to show us exactly how they accept history records, in a way we can not prove that anyone existed whom we never saw
agree?
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For those who call Mohammad, "Mohammad ibn Abd Allah", can you please tell me where you got this info from and how you verfied it?, how did you know that Mohammad father was named Abd Allah
please don't bring any hadith, I need somethin from the Quran
cheers
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Sal?m Ahmed
Oh, sorry. Obviously I missed an important development of yours. )
Last time I discussed with you you were the one who got angry when someone says that there is no historical proof for the existence of the man Muhammad.
Sorry for taking for granted that you still think that way!Regards,
Leyla