Why no record of prophets in europe,australasia and america?
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Enquirer Yes,they are all human,and so have the potential for mistakes,contradictions,incomplete understandings etc...I think we can get ideas off these guys,and then ascertain/verify if the ideas are practically beneficial or not,even if we have to modify,or reject some of their ideas...
That's indeed why I try to do. Besides, it's fun, bashing ideas around.
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Phoenix we can't include everyone in the Prophet's list.
There are some near greats but the prophet's should be only the few on top.
I won't anyone in the list except those mentioned in al-quraan and 'live' nabiyeen i've met in my life. All rest are heresay.
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Leyla However, the quranic nab? has a different function. He does indeed also warn of future events but of those of a higher order.
He is one who has news (naba) of al-akhirat and who warns and brings good news to humans, if I recall the relevant verses right.
At the same time, even the word ras?l is quite often translated as "prophet".
Ras?l, though, is just simply one who brings the ris?lah of God, no matter how, I?d say.
He is the one who practices tilaw?t-ul-qur'?n, close following of al-qur'?n.
There are also other related terms, like e.g. mursal.Further, 'AR-rasool' are certainly different from mere 'rusul'.
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Kestrel If britons were believers then we would have to go on putting up with them in the nextworld, but they are hell creatures... Thank God!
If you're not joking, then I must consider you an ignoramous. I know several Britons who outclass most 'muslims' i've known in terms of belief and goodness. How sad for you if you think this.
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Ahmednice one sister, no development here, i'm using the Quran aloners flawed logic, you and Mquran call him Moahammad Ibn Abd Allah, now I can prove to myself where this name came from, i want you to enlighten me in how you managed to call him Mohammad Ibn Abd Allah using the Quran alone please?
if you resorted to the hadith then sorry this is double standards, confusion and non sensible by you
if you believed the sunni when they called him Mohammad Ibn Abd allah, then how come you did that?, it still sounds double standards, confusion and non sensible by you
I used 'mohamed ibn Abdullah' for ease of discussion. Mohamed ibn Abdullah is simply the person who is historically known to recieve al-quraan. I could call him 'bob', 'joe', 'mr x' or whatever you like when im discussing with you. Don't get so hooked up on it, AB.
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Salaams all,
a prophet to every nation/all peoples is what it says so there are dozens who we havn't been able to recognise as such.
Has anybody done or has a list of the features or qualities of the Lords messenger ?
God Bless.
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Further, 'AR-rasool' are certainly different from mere 'rusul'.
Two question Mquran
- Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
- what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?
thanks
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I used 'mohamed ibn Abdullah' for ease of discussion.
bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such
Mohamed ibn Abdullah is simply the person who is historically known to recieve al-quraan.
so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah
I could call him 'bob', 'joe', 'mr x' or whatever you like when im discussing with you.
thanks, i prefer Mohammad then
Don't get so hooked up on it, AB.
bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?
thanks
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Peace all,
I believe there's a fine line between a prophet (nabi) and messenger (rasool). With respect to Allah=Reality (as rightfully prophessed by enquirer) is THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. A prophet can be anyone who initiates, propagates and adjudicates a message conforming to reality (the truth of events/circumstances as witnessed at any given time to be accurate, be that of past, present or present-continuous participle form). All those who agree with the prophet's (nabi's) message and expounds to further expanding/conveying the very message where it first originated from (i.e. the nabi) become messengers (rasool), keeping in mind that "THE GOD" IS REALITY.
Anyone knowing who or what GOD is 100% in CERTAINTY must come out and claim so??? Else don't make a FOOL out of yourselves and others at the same time. Once anyone knows who or what GOD IS, then let me know what Quran is all about?
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I used 'mohamed ibn Abdullah' for ease of discussion.
bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such
Mohamed ibn Abdullah is simply the person who is historically known to recieve al-quraan.
so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah
I could call him 'bob', 'joe', 'mr x' or whatever you like when im discussing with you.
thanks, i prefer Mohammad then
Don't get so hooked up on it, AB.
bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?
thanks
The Leyla/Majnu relentless orthodoxical corroborations continues. A failed and debased partnership.
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Is it Muhammad ibne Abd Allah or Muhammad ibne Abdullah as per historical analysis? What's the difference?
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AB 1) Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
2) what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?-
Just writing it phonetically. Once again, its a personal choice.
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Ar-rasool is , in my reading, one who has allowed the office of risaalat take over his entire life. He is the leader of al-mumineen.
bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such
I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.
so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah
Once again, I do not. I'm using it for convenience, ease of communication. If you don't agree with this, fine with me.
thanks, i prefer Mohammad then
fine. I'll try to remember that.
bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?
There was a guy who recieved al-quraan for the first time. This is due to the fact that we're relying on linnear time and that al-quraan has the concept of people of before. This guy I call 'muhammad ibn abdullah' because when I talk to people about him, they're usually from the Sunni side. This makes it easier for me. If you disagree with this, no problem. I really couldn't care less
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Peace all,
I believe there's a fine line between a prophet (nabi) and messenger (rasool). With respect to Allah=Reality (as rightfully prophessed by enquirer) is THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. A prophet can be anyone who initiates, propagates and adjudicates a message conforming to reality (the truth of events/circumstances as witnessed at any given time to be accurate, be that of past, present or present-continuous participle form). All those who agree with the prophet's (nabi's) message and expounds to further expanding/conveying the very message where it first originated from (i.e. the nabi) become messengers (rasool), keeping in mind that "THE GOD" IS REALITY.
Anyone knowing who or what GOD is 100% in CERTAINTY must come out and claim so??? Else don't make a FOOL out of yourselves and others at the same time. Once anyone knows who or what GOD IS, then let me know what Quran is all about?
Bro
Leyla explanation of Nabi, was spot on, it is anyone who "Yunabi" "sort of to say" about Allah and news raegarding prosperity in this life the JD (the news may be Good or Bad or both)
Rasool on the other hand is anyone who is sent by someone to a person ir a group of persons to deliver something (verbally or in writing)
therefore EVERY RASOOL IS A NABI, but not EVERY NABI IS A RASOOL
because the Rasool will also Yunabi about Allah and the future in addition to the other delivery task given to him as a Rasool
Peace
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Is it Muhammad ibne Abd Allah or Muhammad ibne Abdullah as per historical analysis? What's the difference?
I tend to write the arabic in eneglish letters without the tashkil to avoide confusion
Abd Allah "no tashkil"
Abdu Allah "with a dumma on both" oooo
Abdi Allah "with a kassarah" eeee
Abda Allah "with a fatiha" aaaa
some join the two words together in english but in arabic they are two separate words
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AB 1) Why you write it "AR-rasool" and not "Al-rasool"?
2) what is the difference between Al-rasool and rusl?-
Just writing it phonetically. Once again, its a personal choice.
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Ar-rasool is , in my reading, one who has allowed the office of risaalat take over his entire life. He is the leader of al-mumineen.
bro, this is not going to make it easy because if you will call him mohammad ibn Abduallh, you have to tell me how you verified it to call him as such
I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.
so you acceot the history records?, well, can you please tell me how the history proved that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah
Once again, I do not. I'm using it for convenience, ease of communication. If you don't agree with this, fine with me.
thanks, i prefer Mohammad then
fine. I'll try to remember that.
bro, there is no hooking here, my question to you and leyla stands, how did you verify that Mohammad father is named Abd Allah?
There was a guy who recieved al-quraan for the first time. This is due to the fact that we're relying on linnear time and that al-quraan has the concept of people of before. This guy I call 'muhammad ibn abdullah' because when I talk to people about him, they're usually from the Sunni side. This makes it easier for me. If you disagree with this, no problem. I really couldn't care less )
cheers mquran
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Peace be upon you,
My understanding is that ancient CIVILIZATIONS such as Khamit, Sumer, Indus Kush, etc had a superior understanding of the "SELF" and the "SPIRIT" (nafs). There civilizations revolved around spirituality. People from all over went to "egypt" to learn about the sciences of life. In thier philosophy, only the man/woman who were still controlled by thier lower passions were in need of a 'religion'. Therefore certain metaphoric stories were created to help mankind ascend to the higher parts of the spirit.
The truth of the matter is that we ALL have the potential to be prophets and messengers depending on the level of our spiritual work. A prophet is only one who INTUITS information that is not known or has been lost. A messenger is one who delivers truth to another. Messengers are PLENTY, prophets are few.
But we have to understand CLEARLY that there are people who know this and deliberately attempt to cover the truth with falsehood, and on top of that there are blind followers of religions that will fight to keep the falsehood going unaware.
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Salam
There's plenty of stuff I agree with on this forum and plenty of stuff I 100% disagree with. I think ppl are pushing this quran-only stuff way too far at times to fit their own needs. For example, I read a thread that was all about how you really don't have to pray and another one on how Ramadan is supposed to be fasting from speech, not food and drink. That's just crazy-talk to me. The one that topped it off was the thread that was trying to justify homosexuality. Now I'm beginning to think I'm neither Sunni, Shia, or a Free-Minder (whatever that is). For fear of breaking my religion into more sects I refuse to label myself at all. So at this point, I'm sitting back and trying to understand what the so-called free-mind stance is on alot of issues. I've been following this thread and MQURAN you posted something I didn't understand.
I didn't verify it and that's why i'm not standing by it. I use it to differentiate him from Muhammad as used in al-quraan.
Do you mean Mohamed in the quran and Mohamed Ibn Abdullah are two separate people? I don't know if I misunderstood or that's really what you meant. If you could clarify that would be great.
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Soul2squeezeDo you mean Mohamed in the quran and Mohamed Ibn Abdullah are two separate people? I don't know if I misunderstood or that's really what you meant. If you could clarify that would be great.
Ok, here goes
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Muhammad in al-quraan to me is a personality type which anyone can emulate or experience.
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I call the reciever of al-quraan 'muhammad ibn abdullah' simply to ease discussion.
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I don't know if the reciever of al-quraan experienced the 'muhammad' mentioned in (1) above or not.
Hope that helps.
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Salam mquran
Thanks for the clarification on your point. While I do believe anyone can emulate the actions and words of Mohamed (p.b.u.h), I don't believe its just a code-name for a personality type. I think he really was a real person and in fact we are commanded to follow him so we SHOULD emulate the actions and words referred to in the quran (and the quran is enough).
What is your rationale in believing that Mohamed mentioned in the quran is not a person but a personality type that the man Mohamed may or may not have lived up to? Just out of curiosity...
Cheers