Verse 17:36 The New Idol???

[Someone]

Peace marie, all

In 342, alAAalameena is not an adjective of nisa'e, it is "mouthaf ilayh", and it is a plural regrouping males and females, thus it is used in the masculine form. It has not to be feminine although nisa'e is feminine.

PS Nice to see you back, and the baby too sun

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[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you Marie,

I guess what I am saying is I am not sure what teh exact word should be, but the implication is knowledge. The verses you just gave a to this understanding, however, I am not sure what word should be used.

[thegod]

idolfree1 wrote
Knowledge is everywhere when one becomes awake. Universal Law encompasses everything.

does universal law encompass god? or does god encompass everything? what to u mean by universal law? -)

idolfree1 wrote
But most of mankind are blind and deaf.

yes......agree..perhaps djinns too! -)

idolfree1 wrote
2623 Pharaoh said And what is the Lord of the Knowledge?

2624 He said The Lord of the skies and the earth and what is between them, if you were sure/certain.

To be sure/certain is to have KNOWLEDGE. To believe is to not have Knowledge, just to "think so".

perhaps u are a bit unclear about the word "certainty"! to have knowlege is being alimun, to have belief is being muminun, to have certainty is being muqinun! u cannot just interchange word because u think so! -)

infact belief and certainty are better related, as demonstrated by these verses

22 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).

23 Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;

24 And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.

they believe by the unseen and by that which is revealed to muhammad and that which was revealed aforetime! they believe by it..is god giving incomplete instructions?

and by the akhirat they are certain! how can u be in certitude about the akhirat when u do not have (personally verified) knowlege by it? but it is belief that lends them conviction! -)

or should the process of verifying the akhirat be carried out via re-births...till verified? -)

idolfree1 wrote

2625 (Pharaoh) said unto those around him Hear ye not?

2626 He said Your Lord and the Lord of your fathers.

Notice "fathers" and not "mothers", this will tie in to what Marie recognized in regards to masculine.

yes...this verse talks about fathers so masculine.......342 talks about nisa...so ? -)

idolfree1 wrote
2627 Pharaoh) said Lo! your messenger who hath been sent unto you is indeed a madman!

2628 He said Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand/reason/comprehend.

One must STUDY in order to go from belief to KNOWLEDGE, and the God is Lord of those who achieve knowledgeabout a particular subject within the universe.

Please take no that the verses use LORD of the knowers/knowledgeable, not God of the knowers/knowledgeable.

huh? the quran says "lord of the mashrik and the magrib" rather than "god of maskrik and magrib"...what does that imply! -)

idolfree1 wrote
The attribute or rabb is one that teaches! However...

(931) They took their religious scholars and their monks as lords from other than The God...

Teaching involves detaile explanation to help one to KNOW.

who was the rabb of pharaoh?

idolfree1 wrote
I hope the connection is being clarified.

lets see! -)

i am still waiting for an example of aalameen from quran is abraham aalameen? is moses aalameen? is pharaoh aalameen? -)

by the way...there are a few pending questions have u verified god? -)

is the content of the quran decided by mortal or by god? -)

peace be upn u -)

[marie]

Peace Mohammed

Peace marie, all

In 342, alAAalameena is not an adjective of nisa'e, it is "mouthaf ilayh",

I rephrase my last statement When I used the word "adjective" I meant "qualifier" independently how it is considered grammatically (ali3rab is not my cap of tee).
if this word should be read as AAalimeen (the knowlegeable), then there is a mistake because nisa is feminine and we have to read AAalimat instead of AAalimeen

PS Nice to see you back, and the baby too sun

Thanks )

[thegod]

marie wrote"
I rephrase my last statement When I used the word "adjective" I meant "qualifier" independently how it is considered grammatically (ali3rab is not my cap of tee).
if this word should be read as AAalimeen (the knowlegeable), then there is a mistake because nisa is feminine and we have to read AAalimat instead of AAalimeen

knowledgeable is adjective...or is it?

[marie]

marie wrote"
I rephrase my last statement When I used the word "adjective" I meant "qualifier" independently how it is considered grammatically (ali3rab is not my cap of tee).
if this word should be read as AAalimeen (the knowlegeable), then there is a mistake because nisa is feminine and we have to read AAalimat instead of AAalimeen

knowledgeable is adjective...or is it?

PLease ask Mohammed "Someone" or "Taj" for the grammatical details.

[Someone]

Peace thegod, all

1255

Here is the example of youssof being .

Now your turn, just give one verse alluding to that the root means "world", in the singular form.

I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

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[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you,

idolfree1 wrote
Knowledge is everywhere when one becomes awake. Universal Law encompasses everything.

does universal law encompass god? or does god encompass everything?

Universal Law manifests form the subjective realm (God), so all things in the objective realm are created according to mathematical patterns in an interconnected relationship, thus giving us LAW.

what to u mean by universal law? -)

See above.

idolfree1 wrote
But most of mankind are blind and deaf.

yes......agree..perhaps djinns too! -)

The hidden (jinn) refer to your thoughts and imagination (fantasies).

idolfree1 wrote
2623 Pharaoh said And what is the Lord of the Knowledge?

2624 He said The Lord of the skies and the earth and what is between them, if you were sure/certain.

To be sure/certain is to have KNOWLEDGE. To believe is to not have Knowledge, just to "think so".

perhaps u are a bit unclear about the word "certainty"! to have knowlege is being alimun, to have belief is being muminun, to have certainty is being muqinun! u cannot just interchange word because u think so! -)

When you are CERTAIN you KNOW, when you believe, you think so. Everyone realizes this, no matter how you want to combat this position.

infact belief and certainty are better related, as demonstrated by these verses

22 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).

23 Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;

24 And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.

they believe by the unseen and by that which is revealed to muhammad and that which was revealed aforetime! they believe by it..is god giving incomplete instructions?

I dont understand your argument , please clarify the question.

and by the akhirat they are certain! how can u be in certitude about the akhirat when u do not have (personally verified) knowlege by it? but it is belief that lends them conviction! -)

The "ending" is always happenning, and can thus be verified over and over and over again. Cause and effect, have you never witnessed the effect of a cause? Once you do, over and over and over again, then you can say you are CERTAIN of the "ending", because all causes have an effect.

or should the process of verifying the akhirat be carried out via re-births...till verified? -)

See above.

idolfree1 wrote
2625 (Pharaoh) said unto those around him Hear ye not?

2626 He said Your Lord and the Lord of your fathers.

Notice "fathers" and not "mothers", this will tie in to what Marie recognized in regards to masculine.

yes...this verse talks about fathers so masculine.......342 talks about nisa...so ? -)

342 has nisa in it, it is not talking about nisa.

idolfree1 wrote
2627 Pharaoh) said Lo! your messenger who hath been sent unto you is indeed a madman!

2628 He said Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand/reason/comprehend.

One must STUDY in order to go from belief to KNOWLEDGE, and the God is Lord of those who achieve knowledgeabout a particular subject within the universe.

Please take no that the verses use LORD of the knowers/knowledgeable, not God of the knowers/knowledgeable.

huh? the quran says "lord of the mashrik and the magrib" rather than "god of maskrik and magrib"...what does that imply! -)

Please give me that verse !!!!! ) YOu may have assisted me on something yay

idolfree1 wrote
The attribute or rabb is one that teaches! However...

(931) They took their religious scholars and their monks as lords from other than The God...

Teaching involves detaile explanation to help one to KNOW.

who was the rabb of pharaoh?

His ego most likely, but if he turned to verification it would have been the one God.

idolfree1 wrote
I hope the connection is being clarified.

lets see! -)

i am still waiting for an example of aalameen from quran is abraham aalameen? is moses aalameen? is pharaoh aalameen? -)

Yes, yes, no.

by the way...there are a few pending questions have u verified god? -)

Yes. If you meditate, you can come to a point where you are conscious of just being consciousness. You will see that there is a part of you that percieves yet is not percieved. Further, the mathematical basis of all creation gives evidence of this divine intelligence who percieves but cannot be percieved.

is the content of the quran decided by mortal or by god? -)

I dont take "quran" as the name of any book, so we can start there. Also, if you are referring to the book called "THE Koran" without authority, then please verify what you mean by "decided".

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you Someone,

1255

Here is the example of youssof being .

Now your turn, just give one verse alluding to that the root means "world", in the singular form.

I will give others examples unless if the god wills.

Great work! ) Just as I am leaving computer for the day )

[unknownuser]

it is not aalameen in those 2 verses...it is aalimeen!

EXACTLY bro

Thanks

[unknownuser]

Peace All

please be aware

in verse 343 where it says "Nisaa Al-Alameen", Al-Alameen IS NOT AN ADJECTIVE, it can't be because the thing that is to be described DOES NOT HAVD THE AL (Nisaa), therefore Al-Alameen is called "Muddaf Elahe"

and in the verse it means the women of the worlds

Salam

[thegod]

someone wrote
1255

Here is the example of youssof being

u are saying that the diacritical marks are wrongly placed....is it? because it is aalimeen which comes from alim...not aalameen

yeah i forgot to ask u...what makes u change the position of the diacrtitical mark?

someone wrote
Now your turn, just give one verse alluding to that the root means "world", in the singular form.

i already said "aalameen" comes from 'ilm' but u are claiming that the text is wrong, and 'aalameen' should read as 'aalimeen', which changes the meaning of the word! any reason why?

[thegod]

idolfree1 wrote
Universal Law manifests form the subjective realm (God), so all things in the objective realm are created according to mathematical patterns in an interconnected relationship, thus giving us LAW.

See above.

so is the universe god? or is the universe a creation of god? when i say universe i mean humans, trees, air, water, stars, etc.!

idolfree1 wrote
The hidden (jinn) refer to your thoughts and imagination (fantasies).

maybe that assertion is itself ur fantasy...notice how u said "ur fantasies"...do u say ur djinns or just djinns? anyway, v will get to this some other time! -)

idolfree1 wrote
When you are CERTAIN you KNOW, when you believe, you think so. Everyone realizes this, no matter how you want to combat this position.

that is what u say...if that was the case they would not have been different words!

example i am certain i will do this tomorrow! does not mean i leapt into future, saw myself doing it, and am feeling certain about it!

there is no point in trying to re-invent the words just to suit our understanding! -)

idolfree1 wrote
I dont understand your argument , please clarify the question.

the book is a guidance to who believe in the unseen, and believe by what was revealed to muhammad and by what was revealed afore is the book guidance to those who have blind faith?

idolfree1 wrote
The "ending" is always happenning, and can thus be verified over and over and over again. Cause and effect, have you never witnessed the effect of a cause? Once you do, over and over and over again, then you can say you are CERTAIN of the "ending", because all causes have an effect.

so u are saying the akhirat is just another effect..what is the cause?

28 Of the people there are some who say "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

they do not believe in cause and effect? they never witnessed it?

idolfree1 wrote
See above.

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idolfree1 wrote
342 has nisa in it, it is not talking about nisa.

huh?

idolfree1 wrote
Please give me that verse !!!!! YOu may have assisted me on something

sure i already posted it and u read it 26108! -)

26108 He said Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand.

idolfree1 wrote
His ego most likely, but if he turned to verification it would have been the one God.

ahan!

2626 He said Your Lord and the Lord of your fathers.

idolfree1 wrote
Yes, yes, no.

hmmm....abraham and moses are from aalameen, but not pharaoh! are only the righteous aalameen?

idolfree1 wrote
Yes. If you meditate, you can come to a point where you are conscious of just being consciousness. You will see that there is a part of you that percieves yet is not percieved. Further, the mathematical basis of all creation gives evidence of this divine intelligence who percieves but cannot be percieved.

basically, it is just ur belief...right? there is no evidence...if there is do present it to me! -)

idolfree1 wrote
I dont take "quran" as the name of any book, so we can start there.

start from the book which i am quoting from, the 1 u also quote from commonly known as the quran! -)

idolfree1 wrote
Also, if you are referring to the book called "THE Koran" without authority,

E by whose authority do u call a book a "book"? did the word drop from the heavens? or did a book drop from the skies with "book" written on it? -)

"85.17" Has not there come to you the story of the hosts,

"85.18" Of Firon and Samood?

"85.19" Nay! those who disbelieve are in (the act of) giving the lie to the truth.

"85.20" And Allah encompasses them on every side.

"85.21" Nay! it is a glorious Quran,

do u find in that book the narratives of aad and thamood? the book which those who disbelieve belie? that is the quran! -)

idolfree1 wrote
then please verify what you mean by "decided".

so this book, which v both quote from, were its contents written by muhammad of his own fancy, or were the contents revelations from god? -)

and yes on what grounds have u changed aalameen to aalimeen?

[thegod]

ahmedbahgat wrote
EXACTLY bro

yups! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
Thanks

anytime! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
in verse 343 where it says "Nisaa Al-Alameen", Al-Alameen IS NOT AN ADJECTIVE, it can't be because the thing that is to be described DOES NOT HAVD THE AL (Nisaa), therefore Al-Alameen is called "Muddaf Elahe"

yes...they are changin of their own desire "aalameen" to "aalimeen"...and i am going to ask reasons behind this...tomorrow somebody will say the bay and yay and tay and thay are all mixed up!

but if they say it is "knowlegeables" then it is an adjective.....so it should agree in gender! -)

[KGB]

Salaam TG Ahmed Bahgat
Very interesting discussion. I am unable to participate due to lack of my Arabic knowledge. Keep it up.

[unknownuser]

Hello TG

yes if it is an adjective then it has to be feminine because it describes the women, exactly as Marie said

Preace

[thegod]

kgb wrote
Salaam TB Ahmed Bahgat

tb? -S lolz

Very interesting discussion. I am unable to participate due to lack of my Arabic knowledge. Keep it up.

this is the last 1...i hope...then i will move on! -)

salaam -)

[KGB]

Corrected TB. Move on. Why? There are plenty of members who are trying to change the meaning of Qur'an here on FM. Stay and put them to rest.

[unknownuser]

Stay and put them to rest.

It is a duty according to the Quran

but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

peace

[thegod]

ahmedbahgat wrote
yes if it is an adjective then it has to be feminine because it describes the women, exactly as Marie said

knowlegeable is! -)

ahmedbahgat wrote
It is a duty according to the Quran

-S

ahmedbahgat wrote
but it seems they don't want to rest therefore we will not rest

cool! -)

peace! -)