Verse 17:36 The New Idol???
-
peace phx1 and kgb,
peace kestrel,
You don't have to verify ALL of the statements of the Koran. Only the meaning of those statements. The message.
And you are right, we can't be perfectly, exactly sure of something. There will always remain that 0.00000000000001 percent of doubt even if you are sure. that is just how we are.
Our goal is to reduce that amount of doubt in our minds about our thinking.
We have a brain, we can use it to know with the best of our ability. That doubt is there for a reason. So that we keep questioning ourselves and gain a better understanding. But that doesn't mean we should completely abandon all reason and logic to follow what some books says.
and thanks for all the smileys.isn't it stated in the quran that "do not uphold what you have no knowledge of, surely, the hearing, the eyesight, the mind you are responsible for"
if god tells us to uphold what we have no knowledge of and the quran leaves you with no doubt... that doesnt mean all of the questions in life are answered, pheonix
having doubt even it is be the weight of an atom often leads you to go astray based on twisted logic and heresays... but even if you know something to be absolute that doesn't mean questioning stops there because you will always find a diiffernet methods(different contributors) of reaching that absolute state of conscience...
peace, rifat
-
ahmadbahgat wrote
Me tooyes...makes a lot of sense...but i believe it also applies to not pursuing that which has not come to us from revelation of god! like not upholding conjectures when v do not have with regards to the conjecture any 'ilm' from the revelation of god! -)
I agree
in fact all my life 1736 means one thing to me, "Do not argue when you lack knoweldge"
this is what the metaphorical "La Taqif", "Don't Stop", or "Don't Stand", should mean
if it was the other arabic word with two Qafs "La Taqqif", then it should mean "Don't cause to follow what you lack knoweldge in" "The tqo Qafs are achived with a shadda on the Qaf"
peace
-
Peace Someone
Please can you clarify what are you saying. Did not get clear even after reading english translations.
He posted verses with different meaning to the word Alameen, very strange, just to add to the confusion
in some of the verses he posted, the word Alameen means "Knowldgable", and i'm sure you know which ones
peace
-
ahmadbahgat wrote
in fact all my life 1736 means one thing to me, "Do not argue when you lack knoweldge"this is what the metaphorical "La Taqif", "Don't Stop", or "Don't Stand", should mean
if it was the other arabic word with two Qafs "La Taqqif", then it should mean "Don't cause to follow what you lack knoweldge in" "The tqo Qafs are achived with a shadda on the Qaf"
cool! -)
peace -)
-
The problem is that they go to the root to get the meaning of every word.
Aleem - Knowledgeable
alAAalameena - Worlds / Universe
Now if you replace the word knowledgables with worlds in 12 that will change the meaning of the this simple verse and the message becomes illogical. God of the knowledgeables.
-
The problem is that they go to the root to get the meaning of every word.
Aleem - Knowledgeable
Now if you replace the word knowledgables with worlds in 12 that will change the meaning of the this simple verse and the message becomes illogical. God of the knowledgeables.
Peace bro
you are right and the above is a singualr of a knowledgeable the plural will be Aleemeen, or Aleemoon i.e. knowledgeables
Peace
-
kgb wrote
Aleem - KnowledgeablealAAalameena - Worlds / Universe
Now if you replace the word knowledgables with worlds in 12 that will change the meaning of the this simple verse and the message becomes illogical. God of the knowledgeables.
well...aalameen does come from 'ilm'...but it is their understanding of aalameen as 'knowledgeables' that could be a bit curious...which is why i have asked them to state from the quran who they think are of the 'aalameen'! -)
-
The problem is that they go to the root to get the meaning of every word.
Aleem - Knowledgeable
alAAalameena - Worlds / Universe
Now if you replace the word knowledgables with worlds in 12 that will change the meaning of the this simple verse and the message becomes illogical. God of the knowledgeables.
Peace,
Can you give a proof from 'al-quran' for the part in bold in your post?
And also a usage or an example of the singular form of alAAalameena from 'al-quran' refering to 'world' as you suggest.
PS Telling that the majority says so is not considered as a proof.
--
-
someone wrote
Can you give a proof from 'al-quran' for the part in bold in your post?And also a usage or an example of the singular form of alAAalameena from 'al-quran' refering to 'world' as you suggest.
PS Telling that the majority says so is not considered as a proof.
u said 'aalameen' = knowledgeables....i have asked u for an example from the quran who u think is from the 'aalameen'?....can u point out from the quran some examples from amongst these 'knowlegeables'? perhaps u missed the post...if u didnt miss it..cool! -)
-
someone wrote
Can you give a proof from 'al-quran' for the part in bold in your post?And also a usage or an example of the singular form of alAAalameena from 'al-quran' refering to 'world' as you suggest.
PS Telling that the majority says so is not considered as a proof.
u said 'aalameen' = knowledgeables....i have asked u for an example from the quran who u think is from the 'aalameen'?....can u point out from the quran some examples from amongst these 'knowlegeables'? perhaps u missed the post...if u didnt miss it..cool! -)
Peace,
You can look at 2151 and 2181 among others, for an example.
And the god is knowledgeable, wise. (I'm not refering to you here, just in case you misunderstand...)
--
-
simple wrote
You can look at 2151 and 2181 among others, for an example.it is not aalameen in those 2 verses...it is aalimeen!
and who are these 'we' who are aalimeen...abraham or solomon are not called aalimeen there...the 'we' are aalimeen! -)
still looking for an example from the quran as to who are from the "aalameen"...and ur understandin of "knowledgeables" regardin them! -)
And the god is knowledgeable, wise. (I'm not refering to you here, just in case you misunderstand...)
"thegod" and "the god"..notice that there is no space in my username..make sure u do miss the space when u do refer to me! -)
-
Peace all,
I think alAAalameen in 12 is not an adjective, if this is the case we have to read in 342 the women (plural feminine) of alAAalimat (plural feminine) instead the women of alAAlameen (plural masculine masculine)
- And the Angels said O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over the women of alAAalameen worlds.
Ed to add 12
-
marie wrote
I think alAAalameen is not an adjective, if this is the case we have to read in 342 the women (plural feminine) of alAAalimat (plural feminine) instead the women of alAAlameen (plural masculine masculine)- And the Angels said O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over the women of alAAalameen worlds.
cool! -)
peace! -)
-
Peace be upon you Marie,
I think alAAalameen is not an adjective, if this is the case we have to read in 342 the women (plural feminine) of alAAalimat (plural feminine) instead the women of alAAlameen (plural masculine masculine)
- And the Angels said ?O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over the women of alAAalameen worlds.?
Are you stating both "nisa" and "aalamen" are masculine? I don't see why "knowledgeables" or "learners" does not fit, but I am a bit confused as to how nisa is masculine. I think I have misunderstood, please elabortae.
-
Salam brother Kyle,
Peace be upon you Marie,
I think alAAalameen is not an adjective, if this is the case we have to read in 342 the women (plural feminine) of alAAalimat (plural feminine) instead the women of alAAlameen (plural masculine masculine)
- And the Angels said O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over the women of alAAalameen worlds.
Are you stating both "nisa" and "aalamen" are masculine? I don't see why "knowledgeables" or "learners" does not fit, but I am a bit confused as to how nisa is masculine. I think I have misunderstood, please elabortae.
"nisa" is feminine and aalimeen is the plural masculine of AAalim. It couldn't be aalimeen in 342 because of "nisa". The adjective should be in agreement with the subject.