Is banning forever?
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Who is that alleged male member? This is very cheap trick to kick someone out of a discussion forum. How do you all know this?
Salam KGB
I spoke with her about this issue and she admitted in our conversation that she wrote a pm to Layth with the faked accussation that Jaxal would harass female members of the board. No one of the female members felt this way and they expressed even so, but no one listened.
Jaxal didnt harass female members and it was indeed a very cheap trick to kick him out - unfortunately it worked.Regards
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Peace all,
Now I'll ask you guys this, and I would appreciate honest answers please... would you accept DQ and JaXaL to be re-instated along with everyone else from the beginning? This question would be most fairly answered by those who have been members for a minimum of 2-3 years, to really know who they're inviting back. I'm not trying to scare you or anything, I'm just asking if that decision were up to you, what would you do?
This is a touchy topic. Personally, DQ getting banned again was because of precisely what Layth mentioned, which was that it cannot be selective. This means to allow DQ back we must let all banned members come back. I think DQ was a fun guy who did have a millitant way of posting, but compared to what we've seen on the forum since (some people know exactly what I'm talking about), and those people still allowed to post...it's just a travesty that they aren't out as well even though they use different tactics imo they are worse. I would definitely welcome him back along with all the others (which one would have to do to make it fair and non biased). This means albion, apple pie shudders, prince zed (is he not VE in disguise?) and the other unsavouries. So what Joe is saying is correct, we are inviting a whole host of problems because unbanning cannot be selective or it is biased. Since it is a new forum, one can hope that starting anew means things might get better, or that someone will really have to sit poised on the banning button.
As for Jaxal, and why I did not include him in the above...I think that if there have been false accusations against him, he does not fall in the above category. The female who falsely accused him must tell the admin, because talking about it with her friends does not an official retraction make. If she does not come forward, then evidence by others should be presented to the admin. I would hope she forwarded some evidence in her favour, but if she didn't and the admin took her at her word and she admits to them that she lied...then Jaxal must be reinstated. By justifying that 'someone told me to do it', is as laughable as 'the voices told me to stick a fork in my teddy'. She is the one who actually complained, if she is proven a liar after admitting that there was no smoke or fire, her testimony is useless henceforth. It doesn't matter if an alleged male told her to do it or little green men. This is a serious issue.
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Salaam
ARE THE ADMIN GOING TO INVESTIGATE THE JAXAL AFFAIR. THERE ARE SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES.
Is the original accuser going to respond to Warda's post.
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Peace Layth, Zein, All
Peace all,
Hasn't banning been long enough for DQ and Jaxal? I mean is it not possible to have a new start, with the new forum, and welcome back those members?
Layth had mentioned this to me when we were about to move to the new board and start "afresh". The only problem I had with this suggestion was that if we were to un-ban these two, it would be unfair to all the others who were previously banned and, therefore, we would have to re-instate everyone who was ever banned from the beginning.
Now I'll ask you guys this, and I would appreciate honest answers please... would you accept DQ and JaXaL to be re-instated along with everyone else from the beginning? This question would be most fairly answered by those who have been members for a minimum of 2-3 years, to really know who they're inviting back. I'm not trying to scare you or anything, I'm just asking if that decision were up to you, what would you do?
Peeeaaace...............
I am against banning forever. Let everybody in and watch,, if a member would misbehave, and continue misbehaving and violating the forum rules while ignoring all warnings (open or private) from Mods, then a fair action should be taken against that member, something like banning for only a period of time.
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Salaam Elke
The first ones to be banned should be the false accuser(s)
There seems to be a deafning silence from the moderators on this issue, not even a rebuttal. This from people who claim to uphold the values of the Quran.
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Peace all
or rather WAR!
The first ones to be banned should be the false accuser(s) elektro
lk
Agree!
Me too. This should empty out just about everyone on this forum; mquran and Ahmed topping the list. yay
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LOL danish
your cries always make me laugh bro
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LOL danish
your cries always make me laugh bro
O, that was not a cry, but yay, as in yay
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Dear Danish
I'm a mind reader i know you were crying mate, you only used the yay to disguise your cries, mate i can prove to you that I can read your mind, would you like to accept this challenge (just for a change bro, life is not only Quran challneges, they are bloody trying for 1400 years and failed misreably), please let me know quick as I'm busy and if you accept I will need about 15 minutes to prepare that challenge and prove to every one that I can read your mind accuratly
Salam
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Dear Danish
I'm a mind reader i know you were crying mate, you only used the yay to disguise your cries, mate i can prove to you that I can read your mind, would you like to accept this challenge (just for a change bro, life is not only Quran challneges, they are bloody trying for 1400 years and failed misreably), please let me know quick as I'm busy and if you accept I will need about 15 minutes to prepare that challenge and prove to every one that I can read your mind accuratly
Salam
I hate delusional and arrogant psychics since they bring nothing but evil on earth.
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LOL Danish and KGB
here is me playin with danish mind games, enjoy the music gents O0 O0 O0 O0
http//mail.forte.com.au/ahmed/flash/minddanish.swf
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Please brothers! It is a serious issue here. I really wish that you stick to what the thread is about, please. Brother Jaxal has been falsely accused and forced to pay by being banned for things he did not do. Do you think this is fair?
We are awaiting now for the female accuser to come out and speak the truth. Let's just hope that she has some courage and integrity left in her to do the right thing and fix what she has damaged with her own hands. It should be easier for her to do it in this life and apologize than to wait for Al Akhirah and deal with it with Allah!
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Peace Stillearning, All
Salaam Elke
The first ones to be banned should be the false accuser(s)
There seems to be a deafning silence from the moderators on this issue, not even a rebuttal. This from people who claim to uphold the values of the Quran.
regardsI trust that the Admins are looking now deeper into this issue, that is why, I think, it is taking them this long.. I hope it turns out for the best of everybody.
And usually it is the people who hold high values of Quran and faith in Allah who are usually tested. The higher the faith the tougher the test! -
Peace,
Having revisited the original thread, here is a post that might be of interest-
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=4616.30
Peace all,
The subject of banning is a tricky one where all people cannot be pleased no matter what.
For the benefit of those who are relatively new to the forum, and who are voicing both shock & anger, I would just like to point out some history on how this issue evolved.
This forum began as a completely rule free forum where people would come and meet to discuss the subject of God first and foremost. The assumption (wrongly) was that since people are coming to discuss the Creator, they would know the rules and laws ordained by God (do not call each other names, a good word is like a good tree, etc.) and thus we would not have any problems.
As time progressed and the forum grew, we began getting obnoxious or rude individuals who's only goal was to sideline or disrupt peaceful discussions...The individuals were ignored and it was even posted that other members ignore them rather than be swept into unfruitful and/or destructive discussions.
Alas, this method did not work, so action was reluctantly taken to ban the one or two individuals that were obviously out to do harm rather than share and learn.
After that the official forum rules were established, and they were not as long or detailed as the ones that exist now.
Then, the banning became problematic as people were screaming that it was 'censorship' and that this was against the laws of the Scripture, and that people were being banned for slightest offence, etc..
At this time, it was suggested by Edip to use the 'Trash' idea which is to create a category and place in it the posts that are offensive or disrupting...
This technique lasted for a short while until the offending posters began to expand their range and post in multiple places with many many posts all designed to get attention focused on them and away from the entire focus of the forum 'GOD'.
So, to keep the forum functioning the moderator must juggle between moving threads to trash, warning, and banning to simply keep order and focus.
That is a brief history...Just so you all know, I think it is sad to resort to this option...However, to keep the forum in a healthy state to benefit those who come to visit and contribute, some rules need to be enforced.
As for the banning of Jaxal.
Read the forum rules
Respect other users of the forum. Language and/or material of vulgarity, obscenity, harassment, profanity or insulting nature, whether it is direct or suggested, will NOT be tolerated. If there is a problem between two members, then it should be resolved through PM, NOT on public forum. Any messages containing such language OR material will be moved to the trash section or deleted, WITHOUT notice. Repeated use of such language in posts will result in a warning or/and a ban (Depending on the severity of breach of rules ).
I was the one who banned him after the following complaint was received
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After such a humiliation i put your through, why would talk to me
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Just like it was fun for me to toy with you with ur ridiculous claim of Quran being anti - democratic. Just like it was fun for me toy with ur reidiculour claim that the messenger needs to have good presentation skills. AND just like it was fun for me to toy with your ridiculour claim that Quran is not altered LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4139&start=125
- mquran, dont be a mental retard. Atleast out of the whole book, you learnt the spelling of Torah. The rest, is like when a blind kid tries to read. And u aint even blind man. Or is it simply that you are too traumatized from a broken marriage or something? do you always have a big mouth on forums? Are u trying to make up for somethng you lack in real life?
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4139&start=125
- Do you think if you would have told him to get down on his al-knees and bark like a al-dog, he would done it? loooooooollll coz you seem to have some leash on him
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4140&start=375
- Did you speak like to your ex wife? is that why she left you? If you dont agree with what is being said then stfu. dont spew hatered from your mouth towards those who dont agree with you.
http//www.free-minds.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4140&start=400
note 'stfu' means 'shut the **** up'.
The above posts are the reason Jaxal was banned.
Why was this person not temporarily banned or given a warning?
I checked with all mods beforehand and according to two of the mods they had warned him about the use of language in a post two or so months back.
That is how this moderation system works...It might suck in your opinion, it might be unfair, but unless you can come-up with ways to keep people from insulting or attacking each other or spamming or trolling, then please do make a workable suggestion here and now.
Otherwise, this forum will continue to remain dedicated to God and God Alone no matter how many times we are derailed or sidetracked.
P.S. I agree with brother Kyle on the flirting observation. It is evidinced by a sister officially complaining of harrasement (I have never received such a complaint in this forum in the years it has been active).
The issue of the alleged harrassment is not the reason why Jaxal was banned, so it is not right to raise that up as it does not constitute the reason or part of the reasons why he was banned.
Now, once again the core issue is...should banning be forever or temporary and should the previous bans be lifted? My reasons for favouring permanent banning are-
It is an effective deterrent for misbehaviour and the general atmosphere of the forum. Temporary banning only serves as a short respite after which the usual patterns of behaviour reassert themselves, thus leading to more strife and disharmony in the long run as opposed to a one time permanent ban.
So, because it is a new forum should we lift the ban off previous users and start afresh? This will open up the floodgates to all that were previously banned. In my opinion, it will cause a lot of chaos and disharmony and I do not doubt that some of the previous user's supporting the lifting of the ban will themselves come to see exactly why they were banned in the first place. In case one was to do that, I would still prefer a permanent ban as opposed to a temporary one because in my experience, the latter is not as efficient as the former. After that, a three strikes policy as applied by some moderators can be established and these can be applied across the board. This also might mean that some rules will have to be more strictly and impartially enforced that might make things more difficult for everyone and there might be a different atmosphere on the forum for some time. I am not saying that it will be done, just getting more suggestions and viewpoints from the others as it will cause the Admin and the moderators to put in more effort to make sure everything is running smoothly (well as smoothly as realistically possible in any case). So any constructive advice and/or working suggestions? No flaming please. Moderators and longtime members please do chime in!
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