1st time reader
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Does Allah lie? What does he say about lying and liars? Where would I find the exact surahs? Is there some kind of online surah subject guide?
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Peace,
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peace kaj
to sum it up though in the quran EVERYTHING to God is about false-hood and the truth. Just one example. God is the truth, and all the idols people worship are falsehood. We are also told to tell the truth even if its against our own relatives....
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Peace Kaj
A great search engine I use for looking up words and phrases and whatnot in the quran is found on
At the top click on "Quran" tab.
On the left hand side you will find a list of translations, click English Translation
In the new page scroll down that same left hand column all the way to the bottom. There you will find Quran Search, which is great when you're looking for a word or phrase.
Quran Browser gives you the option of reading many people's interpretations of the same verse. Just shoot in the Chapter and Verse #s and check off all the translators' works you'd like to see. I think they have Khalifa, Yousef Ali, a few others as well.
I think Bro Imran said what what my opinion would be on the issue of truth/falsehood. Concise and right on point! So Ditto D
Peace All
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Please tell me, in a paragraph or two, what the message of the quran is.
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Give him a clue zenje.
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If you look at the title of this thread and read my previous posts you will find that reading it for myself is exactly what I have been doing. Still, I want to know what the main message is. To those who care to respond ...Thank you for your time and thoughtfulness in answering my questions.
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If you look at the title of this thread and read my previous posts you will find that reading it for myself is exactly what I have been doing. Still, I want to know what the main message is.
Where have you reached? Or have you finished it? I'm asking because I don't understand, if you read it, why would you want someone else to tell you "what the message of the quran is? I understood perfectly well when you would ask specific questions about a particular verse you didn't understand. I meant no offense. Also, if you're reading the 'free-minds translation - The Message', you might want to check out the Preface, maybe that will help.Peace
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I have reached the point where I am interested in what you, as Muslims, see the message of the quran to be. That is the reason I am asking rather than to inform my own mind and opinion as to its message.
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Zenje ? ?I believe this is talking about giving to the needy, the poor... as in charity. Not to priests or something like that. Infact if you read the verse before it, you will note that it is talking about charity.?
I agree. It is not talking about giving money to religious leaders of any kind but to those in need. I believe I understand what a lifestyle of righteousness is and I believe my life or anyone else's shows whether or not we live what we say we believe.
That's not what I am not understanding here. This verse seems to be saying, that if you do not nullify your charity by seeking personal aggrandizement and such, you will indeed receive "grace" and save your soul. As I said, it just doesn't make sense in English. Grace is not earned, it is not a payment for something, it is....well, grace.
Soul2squeeze ? ?So what are your thoughts on the quran in general, if it's not too personal to ask??
No, I don't think it's too personal to ask what my thoughts are on the quran in general. But it is too soon. I am not very far into it. And to be honest with you, I don't know if I will feel comfortable giving an answer for fear that I may offend someone and get myself into an unsafe situation. Because I've seen too many voodoo elektro online and because of the things I see on the nightly news.
God's grace is nothing just the Allah's Kingdom in the world.
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Why do people believe that what Muhammed said is true? What is it that convinces that he is a true prophet?
Because his coming was predicred by Yesus (Luke 201-19)
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Does Allah lie? What does he say about lying and liars? Where would I find the exact surahs? Is there some kind of online surah subject guide?
If He was lying, the He is not Allah. 80 per cent of Al Quran verses says about nature, the nature is science to be explored by men that tells the truth (physics). Allah said, you will not find a mess in Alah's management of universe. Alllah also said that you will find a good management for men's life, if men follow His Scriptures.
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Luke chapter 20 does not mention Muhammed.
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What does it mean to "fight in the way of Allah"?
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I am a Bible-only Christian. I believe that Christian commentaries, individual church doctrines, the Jewish Talmud and rabbinical traditions, and the Muslim haddiths are of the same nature?man's. For the first time, I have been reading the Quran; the translation posted on this website and the ones posted at http//www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html. I have questions. I am assuming that I may post those questions here. I will try to remember to ask one question at a time. I will quote the translation posted here when I post my questions.
Please know that I intend no disrespect in my questions; I am sincere in my curiosity. Also know that it is not my intent to be argumentative if/when I disagree with points you may make. I am not interested in converting to the religion of Islam nor am I interested in attempting to convert any of you to Christianity. If you engage in discussion with me please remember that.
The first thing I noticed is 23. "?and uphold the contact-method?" What is the "contact-method"?
Hello Kaj, may I ask if this includes the letters of St. Paul also?
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Hello Kaj, may I ask if this includes the letters of St. Paul also?
Not for me, because of the history given in Acts. Paul was chosen by God to bring the gospel to the Gentiles, the risen Jesus appeared to him more than once, Ananias prophesied to him that he (Paul) had been appointed by God "to know His will, and to see the Righteous One, and to hear an utterance from His mouth." The historical fact that he did not immediately consult with the apostles after his experience with the risen Christ but instead went away for a couple of years and came back preaching the very message for which he had previously persecuted believers shows me that he spent that time in prayer and study of the Jewish scriptures (in which he was already expert), and that God revealed the truth more clearly to him during that time. His clear and logical manner in explaining the Christian faith I find in the gospels is evidence to me that he was indeed appointed by God.
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Peace Kaj,
And welcome to the forum. Being from a christian background means that it will be easier for you to have an open mind when reading the Quran. Please, get your own understanding of the quran and even on the contact method and share it with us. Most of us here are from a traditionalist background and we come with a big dose of bias.
Regards
Peace You are right. =1]262
I have learned that Muhammed "wrote" the Quran in the 7th century. What I don't know is how the Quran is ordered. I mean is it written in chronological order? In the order the surahs were given? Are related surahs grouped together?
peace kaj,
Firstly, it would be helpful for us to know your thoughts on the answers we give. I am referring to your "contact-method" question.
Secondly, the verses/chapters are arranged in a set order, not in chronological order. There is speculation about why it has been done like this. For example, some have argued for a coherent structure throughout The Quran, e.g. the book "Coherence in Quran" by Mustansir Mir.
Wakas
By set order, I mean the order they are currently found.
If you do a search on the internet, you will find the traditional account of the order of revelation, e.g
http//www.missionislam.com/quran/revealationorder.htmOne could probably get a good jist of the revelation order by studying the content of the chapters, but I dont have a reference to such a work. Its probably been done though.
Peace to Kaj and all.
I am not sure how I got to this topic among many after one year idling on internet due to my environment. This topic reminded me to continue my effort studying Quran according to Chronological Sequence of Revelation CSR.
I stopped reading the tread as leave it for those that can answer your questions for meaning of words.
In URL Wakas has posted I noticed the table is same as Rashad left behind with no information for source. I have investigated and have asked in this forum and others for last 5 years frequently if any body know the source for Rashad?s claim. Now I see a copy with no source in that site!!
How ever the importance is the set up of this order which have been tested several methods using Quran?s sura and verses numbers.
Takes few minute to see superhuman design in that table. No human can produce one like that in this era.
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peace Kaj,
fighting in the name of Allah doesn't mean killing "non-muslims," as it is made out to be.
Kafir=rejector of truth
The believers, who recognize the truth, should fight against ignorance and falsehood and evil. That's what it means.
You also asked what the message of the quran was, and it is "islam" which is described as doing good works and living according to the truth, which requires us to be at peace. -
6161 Say "My Lord has guided me to a Straight Path, an upright system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not from those who set up partners."
6162 Say "My contact-method, and my offerings, and my life, and my death, are all to God the Lord of the worlds."
6163 "He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have surrendered."
6164 Say "Shall I seek other than God as a Lord when He is the Lord of everything?" And every soul earns what is for it, and none will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return and He will inform you of what you disputed in.
Perhaps these ayats are appropriate for this discussion and may help you understand more clearly our conviction...