Just another forum <---say it isn't so!!
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Peace brother,
you didn't get me
it is about winning the own battle, we don't really battle here if you know what I mean, if you also watch the politicians arguing in parlimant meetings you will wonder how the hell they do all of that?, and I tell you sister discussing religions is far more hot that discussing politics, if you check PalTalk religious rooms for example you will know what I'm talking about LOL
Ah I see what you mean Religion and beliefs are a hot topic for sure, any place where you are going to be questioned turns into an argument sooner or later! I was just on another gaming board and the arguments and mudslinging and slandering over trivial things is quite a sight to be seen.what I'm trying to say as well , we are not in kindergarten here and members should not think of having a baby sitter to comfort them, this is the public arena sister and Lyath should be proud that his board is far more controlled and quite than over 80% of all boards on the net, we just need to be real and sort of get closer together, when this happens I'm sure the feel of being insulted mocked or joked at will disappear
I agree, this board is quite well off but we can make some more improvements! I also agree about getting together on common ground and really trying to know the other person. This way as you said, the feelings might go away. Some after that still might really dislike the other person! ;DBeleive it or not sister many of the ones I faught with hard on other boards became best mates LOL, and some joined here because of me, see we were once insulting the hell out of each other then we became mates, it is time based thing and I'm really glad that all of us are hiding under their keyboards hence the aggrerssion, imagine we are standing in front of each other, would you think we will behave this way?, I don't think so mate
There are good parts and bad parts to everything. Sometimes I feel that being in front of someone, you might not really say what needs to be said. It's a double edged sword I believe.Rgds!
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See sister Nadia
this is what I'm talking about, someone whom I consider dishonest like enq, is going around defaming me and Mquran by name in every bloody post he does "almost", and if he will not refrain from attacking me and Mquran sister, I have to respond to him tough and yet it will be within the forum rules, I guess you may advice him to totally ignore us and stop attacking the personality of me and brother Mquran, he can attack our Quran understanding but if he continues to attack my character then I have all the right to defend myself and I will show everyone how it can be very humiliating and yet withing the forum rules
thank you sister
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Peace all,
Enquirer, I was about to respond to your post when AB posted before me.
I feel this is mainly due to the behaviour of a few KNOWN (MQURAN and AB,and a few others.) individuals who insult,use profanity and are too emotional/dogmatic in their SUBJECTIVE views...The strange thing is the two main guys i am referring too actually have SOME decent ideas and knowledge...They just lack the understanding of how to dicuss respectfully...
Please do not take people's names in your posts. If you have a problem, PM (as you already have) your issues. This will stop antagonizing people otherwise it is a vicious cycle which I'm sure is obvious to you. -
Peace all,
Enquirer, I was about to respond to your post when AB posted before me.
I feel this is mainly due to the behaviour of a few KNOWN (MQURAN and AB,and a few others.) individuals who insult,use profanity and are too emotional/dogmatic in their SUBJECTIVE views...The strange thing is the two main guys i am referring too actually have SOME decent ideas and knowledge...They just lack the understanding of how to dicuss respectfully...
Please do not take people's names in your posts. If you have a problem, PM (as you already have) your issues. This will stop antagonizing people otherwise it is a vicious cycle which I'm sure is obvious to you.Thank you sister
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Peace AB and Mquran...IM not attacking yor off-line characters....I dont know you guys well enough...But i will say its my OPINION that you two have created a bad atmosphere on the forum...I have given proofs of your infractions in bad language and general hostility, to the moderators....I also think that these are not baselees 'accusations' against you and mquran....Many people can see the on-line attitude of you two....Im not alone in questioning you approaches...
I tell you what AB,you seem to consider yourself as some kind of ambassador for islam.(peace.) Why dont you modify your speech and attitude to increase the peace.(islam.) on this forum?...That way we can tell that you are not posting for ego,but for the benefit of Islam.(peace.) And i dont really mind what you say about me....I will lets the lack of outright hostility in my posts do the talking for me...
Peace all. ps;I really wish you two well,and i do not dislike you two....Just got to say it like it is... )
PPS; Savage carrot; I hope you also apply this rule of not naming people in posts,to others as well...And why didnt you pm me with this response?.... -
Peace,
I enjoy this forum and have for the number of years it has been active...The reason is quite simple, I try to apply the wisdom of the Scripture in dealing with posts/people who may be intimidating or out to have some fun at the expense of others and without the true aim of debate/learning
And the servants of the Almighty who walk on the Earth in humility and if the ignorant speak to them, they SayPeace.`` (2563)And if they come across vain talk, they disregard it and SayTo us are our deeds, and to you is your deeds. Peace be upon you. We do not seek the ignorant.`` (2855)The fault is not with the forum (it is a non-living interface)...The fault is with us when we cannot or do not apply the laws/guidance of God and then find that we become angry or frustrated.
Any good that befalls you is from God, and any bad that befalls you is from yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness. Whoever obeys the messenger has obeyed God; and whoever turns away, We have not sent you as a guardian over them.(479-80) -
PPS; Savage carrot; I hope you also apply this rule of not naming people in posts,to others as well...And why didnt you pm me with this response?....
I apologize, I thought you wanted things transparent on one thread, and you posted about reporting them on two seperate threads on the forum publically. This makes it the third. I will keep my responses to you through PM from now on, I suggest you do the same. Thanks. -
See Tay what happens when you go away?
You been away for only few weeks and the forum is geared upto splitting into CAMPS!
The strange thing is that a lot of people are thinking of leaving this forum and so have I!
And these people seemed to have an intuitive grasp that something is wrong here - that forum is not as exciting and fun place that it used to be.I really do miss that fun part and the excitement part. Many people did come here to join in this fun and excitement and I enjoyed welcoming new people here on this forum. I felt that something important was happening here that young people are thinking for themselves and that forum is indeed making people thinking for themselves. It was indeed making people Free Minds. It was indeed "unplugging" people from mental slavery (to use a Matrix example).
I guess all good thing always comes to an end. It is our Ego (mine included!) that gets in the way of all good thing and spoils it all.
From the first day I met you Tay on this forum I have thought of you as the Spiritual Guide of this forum. And you are indeed a True Spiritual Guide here. You are very much needed.
I hope you do come back. I am sure everyone will taken on aboard all the things you have said in your post.
I hope people start letting people know when their language and behaviour is not constructive so that we can "moderate" ourselves in our attitude and reactiosn to others...
Regards,
Peace Tay.
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Peace savage carrot. You misunderstand me...I dont mind you addressing me publicly....I said 'why didnt you address me by pm'?,to show that you were asking me not to name people publicly,yet you did that to me....I would personally appreciate all infractions of mine,or others to be public...except in low-key or first time offenses...I dont see the problem in being open about myself telling the forum about the fact that i reported AB and Mquran to the moderators,and i have given my reasons too...I just want the moderators to addrees a 'situation', which you will probably agree, has occured because of lack of effective action by the mods... To be honest i will not address you by pm alone,as i fell this is not transparent enough for the forum...
Dont feel im having a go at you...Being a mod is a tough job,and sometimes a thankless task...We should all learn to not take constructive,relevant criticism soo personally and/or emotionally...
Take care,and peace... ) Ps; I think this discussion is nearly done....Lets not get bogged down in detail and counter posts....Id rather create peace,and say what has to be said... ) -
Peace,
You misunderstand me...I dont mind you addressing me publicly....I said 'why didnt you address me by pm'?,to show that you were asking me not to name people publicly,yet you did that to me....I would personally appreciate all infractions of mine,or others to be public...except in low-key or first time offenses...I dont see the problem in being open about myself telling the forum about the fact that i reported AB and Mquran to the moderators,and i have given my reasons too...I just want the moderators to addrees a 'situation', which you will probably agree, has occured because of lack of effective action by the mods... To be honest i will not address you by pm alone,as i fell this is not transparent enough for the forum...
Dont feel im having a go at you...Being a mod is a tough job,and sometimes a thankless task...We should all learn to not take constructive,relevant criticism soo personally and/or emotionally...
Take care,and peace... Ps; I think this discussion is nearly done....Lets not get bogged down in detail and counter posts....Id rather create peace,and say what has to be said...
I would like to make things clear here. You have expressed a desire to have your infractions be public except first time offenses. I understand, thus my post above. Other people may not like what you suggest or want, if it concerns them. They would like to remain private and have their 'offences' and 'warnings' be private as well. By reporting that you have reported them repeatedly on seperate threads serves no purpose other than getting their goat (which someone has expressed in this thread already) especially since you have already emailed the mods. The action that will be taken will be by consensus and through PM's and Layth having the final say. I hope this satisfies. If you have anything else to add in regards to this topic, please PM me. Thanks.People, carry on and I apologize for the disruption.
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Peace AB and Mquran...
Peace
IM not attacking yor off-line characters....
Of course you are, you are making me and Mquran looking like thugs by mentioning our names along with very general and negative comments in almost all your recent posts, look man, what between us is the Quran, you said you don?t know us and I agree that you don?t neither we know you hence our connection is the Quran, now me and Mquran believe hard on that book as divine from Allah, what you bloody expect from us when you or the likes of you come and say it is not the word of Allah?, this is not what you expect from those who wants to learn the Quran ?logically speaking?, but it is clear as light that you want to promote your own whatever on the expense of the Quran, fine, you can do that but not on a Quranic based web site, there are bloody zillions of anti Quran web sites where you can satisfy your desires, please leave us in peace and stop your numerous posts promoting your own god that you made for yourself, me and Mquran are not following our man made gods, we follow the same God and trying to understand His message better, you will see us differ but we still believe in the same God and the same Book, on the other hand you even tried to stir the air between me and another Muslim brother ?tanveermd? when we differed , how cheap was that man?, I don?t go and tell Mquran that the Quran is not the word of Allah neither he comes and tell me as such while we still differ in understanding it BUT THE SAME CONCEPT IS SHARED BETWEEN US, ONE REAL GOD AND THE QURAN IS HIS LAST MESSAGE, that is why even when we differ we will still support each other against the ones who promote lies about the Quran THIS IS OUR BLOODY RIGHT AND IF YOU HAVE GUTS TO SAY WHATEVER ABOUT THE QURAN THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE THE GUTS TO LISTEN TO THE ONES WHO BELIEVE HARD IN IT, actually I expect that someone like you who have made up his mind regarding Life/Death and God should go and enjoy life not to waste it in debating something that you say is illusion and outdated, we don?t want to change you, why you want to change us?
If it is matter of learning then you ask a question with respect and listen to those who believe hard in that book, those who have convictions to believe hard in that book not those who don?t believe in it and you bloody cheer them as you cheered Danish and others when they post an anti Quran comment, again this is very cheap to do it on a Quran based forum while you have many anti Quran forums every where to do that.
I dont know you guys well enough..
Of course you don?t and I?m sure Mquran knows that as I do, neither I know Mquran nor he knows me, what between all three of us is the Quran, now you took it one step further by attacking my character and not refuting my Quran understanding which I believe this is the only thing you can do, if you catch me making a silly Quran comment based on a flawed understanding then you have every right to expose it in anyway you wish and I will accept that as long as it is over a Quran discussion, did you see me running around defaming you or mentioning your name ?, I hardly did, in fact I can?t remember that I ever did, I only attack your Quran understanding that is based on your ignorance with the Quran
.But i will say its my OPINION that you two have created a bad atmosphere on the forum...
this is a clear cut lie and manipulation, me and mquran have a strong voice and I?m sure many appreciate it, we convey a Quran message, you don?t convey a quran message, can you bloody see the difference?
Even when we differ, it is still Quran based
I have given proofs of your infractions in bad language and general hostility, to the moderators....
Why not post it again right here right now and let everyone sees it?, I hate those who talk about me from my back, post it now and show me the bad language in it and the hostility
I also accuse you of hostility against the Quran on a Quran based forum, you have to know bro, this place is not really for you unless you listen and shut your mouth, now would shut your mouth is a bad language?, oh yeh we are in kindergarten aren?t we?, please call the baby sitter to comfort you
I also think that these are not baselees 'accusations' against you and mquran....Many people can see the on-line attitude of you two....Im not alone in questioning you approaches...
Don?t talk of others behalf unless they are part of it in here, only talk for yourself and post what you think is bad language right here right now, can I ask you, are you over 18 years old?
I tell you what AB,you seem to consider yourself as some kind of ambassador for islam.(peace.)
See, here is the non sense that must warrant to me giving it hard to you, now I hope you don?t cry though
Why dont you modify your speech and attitude to increase the peace.(islam.) on this forum?..
Excuse me, Islam does not mean peace, this is a lie, it only means submission to Allah
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That way we can tell that you are not posting for ego,I don?t really care what you say about me as long as you don?t attack my character for nothing, it has to be due to a wrong Quran understanding by me and I give you the right to expose my ignorance in any way you wish, I don?t cry though neither I call my baby sitter, I always stand for myself and if you proved my ignorance I will even thank you
I will give you an example
You can say ahmed is ignorant and does not understand verse so and so, if you do this I will not be upset from you if you can prove it, but if you mock me like that stupid comment of considering myself an Islam Ambassador then you have to carry the consequences and I hope you don?t cry for a baby sitter then
but for the benefit of Islam.(peace.)
Again, you are ignorant because the Quran never said that the word Islam means peace, can you back up your ignorance from the Quran and prove to everyone that it is me who is the ignorant?, well , I know what you will do, you will have a runner as always
And i dont really mind what you say about me....
Cool, don?t cry for a baby sitter then
I will lets the lack of outright hostility in my posts do the talking for me...
What?, how about the hostility against the Quran in a Quran based web site that invite others to understand the Quran not to bloody come and slam dunk it?
Peace all. ps;I really wish you two well,and i do not dislike you two....Just got to say it like it is... )
Cool, likewise regarding wishes, now I hope you take my reply like a man and don?t get upset, also I will be a liar if a say I like you but I don?t hate you, I only hate what you say about the Quran on a Quran based web site because I don?t know who are you from the first place
You can actually criticise the Quran without the need to promote that it is not the word of Allah and outdated, are you clever enough to do that?
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Sister SC
I would like to have my warnings in public please
Thank you
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I wholeheartedly agree with Tay's post. It's amazing how much bad blood and hostility would be prevented if we all just followed 2855 more closely, myself included.
Many forums do go through this kind of phase. Like Nadia said, you should see some gaming forums where people argue (read bite each other's heads off) over the Playstation 3/Nintendo Wii/Xbox 360. Yeesh. And that's just videogames.
On the one hand, it is understandable that there is a lot of emotion attached on all sides when it comes to beliefs and worldviews. On the other hand, we are a community who has ties, in one way or another, to the Qur'an and we'd be good to follow its precepts more closely, namely 2855 and 2563.
Peace.
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Salaamun alaikum,
The problem with this forum is, people who have IMPLICITLY and EXPLICITLY rejected al-quraan have been allowed to roam free and create discord. While al-quraan allows for freedom of belief, it doesn't allow for people to enter the masjid of others and cause mischief. So whenever any quranic discussion comes about, we find people
- rejecting al-quraan's eternal relevance
- proposing al-quraan's contradictory
- diverting the issue altogether
- worst of all, LIE OUTRIGHT about al-quraan
Therefore, al-quraan itself becomes ignored or diverted. My challenge to the rejectors was one example. As soon as Enquirer got on, he changed the topic completely and rejected my offer to dance to his tune. What he's seeking is a carte blanche to say whatever he wants in a forum which is quranic. I ask , why don't you do that in your own life? Answer because you'd get lynched. So you need to vent your frustration somewhere. That's the long and short of it. It's the same with the others as well.
I suggest this allow each rejector or detractor of the divinity of al-quraan to propose their arguments. Answer them and make sure they don't skirt the issue. If they refuse but keep plastering the walls of the forum with the graffiti, ban them. Unless stern steps are taken, we will NEVER advance in the research of al-quraan and surprise , surprise, this is what they want.
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Lote-TreeI really do miss that fun part and the excitement part.
Then you should go to Disneyland or Alton Towers. This is a forum where people discuss their ETERNAL FATE. Does that sound like idle banter to you?
Many people did come here to join in this fun and excitement and I enjoyed welcoming new people here on this forum. I felt that something important was happening here that young people are thinking for themselves and that forum is indeed making people thinking for themselves. It was indeed making people Free Minds. It was indeed "unplugging" people from mental slavery (to use a Matrix example).
Thinking for themselves is great. Sadly, they're also being taken for a ride by people who PRETEND to question certain things but will readily skirt the issue if ever questioned.
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Most people on this forum i feel,post in a reasonably decent manner...There is a small minority who use profanity,insults,accusations and a dogmatic, 'we are believers,you are not' attitude...
This is your own insecurity talking. Even when I use the word 'rejector' , I qualify it with 'of the divinity of al-quraan'. Are you or are you not such a person? Don't let your own insecurities fool you into thinking i've condemned you to hell.
In the real world i can meet these kind of people every day...My aim is not too hate these people,as that can make me unjust to them.....However in the real world there are certain civil standards required of peoples behaviour which should be 'loosely' adhered too...I dont think we need quranic justifications for this....Its pretty obvious...
No, your aim is to waste their time. To accuse their religious beliefs of falsehood AND NEVER vindicating your claims.
I feel this forum is a great place to post ideas on the good and the bad of religion... And good feedback can be gained on these issues,even if the feedback is constructively critical...I feel the atmosphere on the forum recently has deterioted to the extent that several posters seem reluctant to post,or enter discussions....I feel this is mainly due to the behaviour of a few KNOWN (MQURAN and AB,and a few others.) individuals who insult,use profanity and are too emotional/dogmatic in their SUBJECTIVE views...The strange thing is the two main guys i am referring too actually have SOME decent ideas and knowledge...They just lack the understanding of how to dicuss respectfully...
Ok, why don't YOU teach me how to be respectful? I will follow exactly what you say. Lets then debate. We'll then see how sincere you are.
fyi its RUDE to ask people to answer then completely blank them or does your 'ethos' say its ok ?
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I also accuse you of hostility against the Quran on a Quran based forum, you have to know bro, this place is not really for you unless you listen and shut your mouth, now would shut your mouth is a bad language?, oh yeh we are in kindergarten arent we?, please call the baby sitter to comfort you
This reply raises in mind 2 questions (for the moderation team)
- Should hostility against the quran by someone justify hostility against him ?
- Are comments like " please call the baby sitter to comfort you" to be welcomed ?
Peace
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This reply raises in mind 2 questions (for the moderation team)
- Should hostility against the quran by someone justify hostility against him ?
- Are comments like " please call the baby sitter to comfort you" to be welcomed ?
Thank you JM, excellent questions. I would advise everyone reading the thread and posting to please carefully think before doing so. The good response is not equal to the bad response.
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Peace,
The problem with this forum is, people who have IMPLICITLY and EXPLICITLY rejected al-quraan have been allowed to roam free and create discord. While al-quraan allows for freedom of belief, it doesn\'t allow for people to enter the masjid of others and cause mischief.
That is a good and correct observation which will be rectified.
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Peace,
The problem with this forum is, people who have IMPLICITLY and EXPLICITLY rejected al-quraan have been allowed to roam free and create discord. While al-quraan allows for freedom of belief, it doesn\'t allow for people to enter the masjid of others and cause mischief.
That is a good and correct observation which will be rectified.
IMHO, a specific room should be created in the forum to discuss with the people who reject the quran.
And these people should not participate in quran-based discussions.Peace
