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why is shirk an unforgivable offence decreed by the creator?

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    unknownuser
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    Peace All

    I would like to add another comment

    My comment that Allah can?t be questioned was not an emotional sort of one coming out of a sort of a believer rather it was what Allah told us about Himself, I have to warn my brothers and sisters NOT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ALLAH THAT HE NEVER SAID ABOUT HIMSELF, this is a great sin in the Quran and Allah has warned against it big times then called those who insist on saying assumptions about Allah, Liars, here is the verse where Allah told us that HE CAN?T BE QUESTIONED

    YUSUFALI He cannot be questioned for His acts, but they will be questioned (for theirs).
    PICKTHAL He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned.
    SHAKIR He cannot be questioned concerning what He does and they shall be questioned.

    (23)

    -> Well, what can I say??..hmmmmmm

    Let?s get ready to rumble

    Salam all

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      gazzali
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      Peace All

      WITH THE GUIDANCE FROM GOD, HERE IS MY HUMBLE REPLY

      4/115

      And whoever is hostile to the messenger after the guidance has been made clear to him, and he follows other than the path of the believers; We will grant him what he has sought and deliver him to Hell; what a miserable destination

      4/116

      God does not forgive to have partners set up with Him, but He forgives other than that for whom He pleases. Whoever sets-up partners with God has indeed strayed a far straying.

      The conditions of going to Hell ( miserable destination) is clearly outlined

      1. Hostile to the messenger
      2. and Follows non believers

      Setting up partners with God (the Most High) is like far straying. An example would be if earth strays away from its orbit the destination is clearly disastrous. In other words, God wants all of us to go to Heaven and its criteria is not to set up partners with God.

      What is meant by setting up partners?

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      They are only calling on females beside God. Indeed, they are only calling on a persistent devil.

      So the story is simple. If you have believed, do not call on any other things other than Allah

      GOD IS MOST FORGIVING yay

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      How can God guide a people who have rejected after believing, and they witnessed that the messenger is true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.

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      To these the punishment will be that God's curse will be upon them as well as that of the Angels and the people all together!

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      Eternally they will abide in it, the retribution will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.

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      Except those who repent after this and make amends, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.

      Gazzali
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        alpha97
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        Peace,

        On this subject from Inayat khan

        So long as a man has a longing to obtain any particular object, he cannot go further than that object.

        As a man's ideal is, so is his state of evolution. The man who is only interested in himself is very narrow and limited, whereas the man who has expanded his interests to his family and surroundings is greater; while he who expands

        them still further to his nation is yet greater, and he who extends them to the world at large is the greatest. But in all these cases a man is limited. ... The highest ideal of man is to realize the unlimited, the immortal Self within.

        There is no need for any higher ideal, for when man holds this ideal in his vision, he expands and becomes all he wants to be, and in time he attains to that peace which is the longing of every soul.There is a constant desire of

        the soul to find its own nature. Until it finds it, it is always looking for something, though what it does not know. Is it not true of every individual in this world that, whatever may be his desire, as long as he has not attained it he is

        unhappy, and eager and anxious to achieve it? He is longing and suffering and doing all he can to attain it; but
        when he has succeeded, he does not feel happy. At once a new desire arises; if he has a thousand he wants a

        million; if he has done one duty there is another, and after that another. So it is with love affairs; so it is with paradise. He will never feel contented and satisfied, because fundamentally it is not the desire that he is really

        concerned with. Though he crosses the boundary wall of the desire he finds himself again with a new desire. And this itself proves the fact that there is really only one fundamental desire underlying all others the desire for

        spiritual perfection. ...Motive limits one to certain kinds of accomplishment; and it does not allow one to accomplish anything beyond the scope of that particular motive. As long as a person has the desire to attain to something

        with a particular motive, he cannot go further. That is why the sages have said, 'Rise above the earthly motives. Accomplish all you wish to accomplish in life, whatever be the motive, and then that itself will lead you to a stage from which you can rise above them, and above the earthly desires of the body'.

        peace,

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          prashant_kumar
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          Sheerk is putting an ?intermediary? entity between the Lord of the worlds and the person. Such ?intermediary? is from the Lord?s creation. A Mushreek himself lowers his dignity and puts himself to an inferior position by giving up the dignity approved by his Lord. While his Lord created the universe for him, while the angels are created for the service of him, while his Omnipotent Lord, who created this huge universe and all the microscopic worlds, is ready to hear and reply to his call, while his Lord is the most near One to him, he instead subjugates himself to poor creatures of his Lord. Moreover, sheerk is the gross and supreme form of ingratitude. Man?s consciousness is such that when the degradation and the ingratitude shall become manifest to him, he himself shall find his face stained with ashes.

          In other word, a Mushreek wants reward from or through an entity who is incapable. So he himself can not, by his own choice, expect Allah to have mercy on him. On the other hand, a monotheist asks mercy/forgiveness to One who is capable of providing it. So logically he may expect what he wants.

          The final answer is that, we can not impose our desire or standard on the Omnipotent and unquestionably sovreign Allah who is Wise and Just too.

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