God=Truth?
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Peace all. In the quran allah is called Al-Haqq or the truth. Does this mean that our purpose (quranically speaking,as in...5156,etc...) is to serve truth? Does this make open-minded scientists excellent believers?
Does the muslim declaration 'there is no god but allah' mean; There is no god (guide.) but truth?
Does this understanding fit in with the verses of the quran?
Does this fit in with the command to reject illusions and falsehood? ( bad jinns/iblees,etc...) -
Peace all. In the quran allah is called Al-Haqq or the truth. Does this mean that our purpose (quranically speaking,as in...5156,etc...) is to serve truth? Does this make open-minded scientists excellent believers?
Enquirer, I would humbly suggest that you study this concept of al-haqq (not truth but the ultimate truth) in the contexts provided by the text. If you look at 22/5-6 for example, you will find the phrase 'dhalika bianna Allah, huwa al-haqq...' after a description of physical realities which occur in the human reality.
While scientists believe in empirical truth, some of them reject metaphysical truth, denying the inner insights which mystics tend to accept. So no, I wouldn't put my money with them, so to speak.
Does the muslim declaration 'there is no god but allah' mean; There is no god (guide.) but truth?
Ilah or 'god' doesn't mean guide. Haadi means 'guide' and Allah is al-haadi. Confining Allah to just al-haqq would make one guilty of 'ilhaad' (see 7/180, the act of disrupting the perfect balance of the asmaaul husna).
Does this understanding fit in with the verses of the quran?
In my view, not very well.
Does this fit in with the command to reject illusions and falsehood? ( bad jinns/iblees,etc...)
That it does.
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Peace bilal76. Yes,i agree with your statement 100% about some peoples reality being other peoples illusions.
My definition of reality might be an illusion for others...
My definition of reality,is briefly; 'Something that can be verified personally beyond reasonable doubt,and has some objectivity to it as well'... eg we need food to live...
My definition is not perfect,may contain mistakes and is not complete...
There are probably many layers/grades of reality....In reality i like noodles,but this may not be applicable universally,yet is definately true/reality for me....
Reality can have a subjective realm,and an objective realm...
However im not a moral relativist...and i believe some things are universally real, (even if others dont view it as real.) Eg hurting people for no reason is in reality wrong...
peace all. ps;this is a very interesting topic (reality.),and deserves another thread... -
Peace Neo. Could you elaborate on your post,a little,please?
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Peace bilal76. I believe some illusions/falsehoods are universal,and so are some truths....
It would be interesting to list a number of universal truths,and a number of universal falsehoods...
eg helping children is universally true...
And harming people for no reason,is universally bad...
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Peace all,
i don't really get the point of the discussion here
helping children is universally true...
And harming people for no reason,is universally bad...wouldn't good and bad be more approriate here, than true and bad ?
And in general Allah is called many names in the quran so it's not just about truth. We had threads going on here about "living up" to the divine traits of caracter of the god as described by the names of god contained in quran
lk
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Peace Elke. Im just trying to clarify what are 'accepted' as universal values...Maybe it wasnt worded correctly...
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peace
you are working with black and white
what about the grey-er substances who decides what's the good and the bad?
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Peace bilal76. I believe some illusions/falsehoods are universal,and so are some truths....
It would be interesting to list a number of universal truths,and a number of universal falsehoods...
eg helping children is universally true...
And harming people for no reason,is universally bad...
peace all.Peace enquirer,
who makes the normality and the limits of universal values?
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Peace bilal76. we humans decide,with the benefit of experience,knowledge,and verification of practical consequences.....The quran or god talks to us through the filter of our 'intelligence'......If it is said the quran or god decide,then why all the disagreements on basic principles...? Have we not the intelligence to decide what is right or wrong?...If not,then how can we say the quran is right or wrong,unless we believe in it without verification?
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Peace
It's more than a matter of what's right and what's wrong. I'd think many people understand what right and wrong is, but knowing does not entail that one will act in the right. People lie frequently, knowing it is wrong, especially white lies. Sure one may know that helping out the less fortunate is a good thing, but how many want to give freely of their own stock to help another? Besides, in my opinion, many of the injunctions of the quran are not meant for everyone, except s/he who takes on its principles.
Joe