I believe this is a cult
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peace andfutuna,
After reading why you decided to post your "this forum is a cult" message, I can understand why you said what you said. That does not mean I agree with it however.
You wish to understand why this person you know now acts the way they do. Perhaps you should ask him/her, or try to understand what this forum is about. The option you choose, is up to you. I am sure forum members are more than willing to have a discussion about this.
Regards,
Wakasps - Layth may well be the founder of the site, but you would be hard pushed to find a forum member who agrees with his views on everything to do with Islam. That is not what this site is about.
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i know someone who uses this forum and i have seen this person change in ways i cannot understand.
who is this member?
peace,
sugar -
Peace,
Layth is just one person with an opinion. I personally disagree with a lot of his ideas.
- a lot of bitterness against sunnis
Then he should also bebitter against anyone not following his ideas, not just sunnis, if he only carries bitterness against sunnis he's acting hypocrite. Plus the Quran says to respect everybodies opinion, so his bitterness is formed on his feeling helpless and that people should think like him.
- treating sunnis like they are less than human (calls them superficially nice, simple people but nasty to the core)
Everybody is created in honour the Quran says. And he is generalizing, very wrong. This has nothing to do with the forum, but with him not accpeting everyone as an individual. He is acting exactly the same as some extreme sunnis, pity he doesn't see that....
- advocating and actively promoting what layth says in his articles (eg. hajj article)
Is no crime, but he better check every little detail as he is responsible for every letter that comes out of his mouth. So he better check every little detail, not just base it on the article, this is blind following and is forbidden in the Quran(1736)
- advocating that sunnis are idol worshippers
Again mistaken that every person is an individual and that only God can judge. Shirk is a wide wide subject, not just based on things like following hadith next to the Quran, he should be more carefull in his judgement.
- sunnis cannot be included in the brotherhood of Islam
Again Islam is a wide wide subject. Thus again his ideas on Islam is from a narrow view.
- cutting off all relations with sunnis, even if they are siblings or immediate family members.
This is ignorant. What i see in your friend is a lot of anger against his old self, and blaming this on others. Also he 'protects' himself by cutting of relationships or be bitter, which shows his weak knowledge and faith. He forgets that the Quran says to always say peace and to be good to everyone. I hope he will learn in time and finds his balance back. He generalizes to much.
I also disagree with most ideas in sunnism, but i talk with them about it in a friendly matter, as the Quran demands. Look at the story of the Pharoah, were Moses is ordered to stay nice with the Pharoah. This is the real attitude described in the Quran. Your friend is now in a phase that he has to find himself again, and to widen his knowledge. Anger is always based on fear. So his actions are based on his fear of sunnis. I myself have no problem with them, but i understand his feelings. Give him time. I teach sunnis islamic history in the local mosque. I follow the Quran alone, but i focus on the things in common, so we can build bridges. I do the same with christians and jews and hindus and so on.
Peace
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andfutuna you can't really blame this forum for his/her behavior..... i don't believe any of the members would advocate what he/she is doing....
And why do you want to speak to Layth? confused
Your friend probably read a verse from the Quran and took it out of context >... i.e.
A good example has been set for you by Abraham and those with him. They said to their people, "We disown you and the idols that you worship besides GOD. We denounce you, and you will see nothing from us except animosity and hatred until you believe in GOD ALONE."
I follow the Quran alone, but i focus on the things in common, so we can build bridges.
To be honest your the only person I know with that view...
I teach sunnis islamic history in the local mosque.
confused
what do you tell them?
peace,
sugar -
So the Millwall Fan Club is a cult ?
i am sorry my original message might have come across as insulting to this forum. i wanted to catch the readers attention.
you didn't have to say that.
You should have mentioned your friend at the beginning ;D What you say about your friend is not something that will be ignored by the members peace
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peace,
sugar -
I follow the Quran alone, but i focus on the things in common, so we can build bridges.
To be honest your the only person I know with that view...
Your just 17, of course you don't know much but this in my eyes the best way and also what the Quran preaches. Also i'm not scared to debate with them. The biggest mistake people make is to generalize and behave the same way to everybody as the extreme sunnis do, they act the same as the people they hate...
I teach sunnis islamic history in the local mosque.
confused
what do you tell them?
I-S-L-A-M-I-C H-I-S-T-O-R-Y ......i tell them the truth, no fairy stories.
Peace
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peace
could this be my friend?
the reply was expected. you have just demonstrated my point. as you did not like what i wrote, you insulted my belief and laughed at me and ASSUMED I WAS A SUNNI!
If you are not a sunni, how did anyone insult your beliefs?
What are your beliefs anyway?
And you can't expect to call the members of this forum a "cult" and expect them to like it.I personally don't hate sunnis. My family is sunni and I love them. I disagree with their beliefs but that doesn't mean i think they are "evil."
You are the one doing the assuming.
Stop blaming people of crimes you are committing.
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
What your theological think-tank says Quran is Allah's Words because it says so, hence everything it mentions must be absolutely correct and all other information outside of it becomes moot? voodoo
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
What your theological think-tank says Quran is Allah's Words because it says so, hence everything it mentions must be absolutely correct and all other information outside of it becomes moot? voodoo
This is your observation which i don't agree with. Different views are allowed. And thank you for showing exactly what i mean this cannot be a cult.
Peace
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Danish we already have a thread for that. )
s in my eyes the best way and also what the Quran preaches. Also i'm not scared to debate with them. The biggest mistake people make is to generalize and behave the same way to everybody as the extreme sunnis do, they act the same as the people they hate...
i often generalize >
it's a bad habit i need to snap out of -X
the biggest mistake people make is to generalize
Your just 17, of course you don't know much
do you always contradict your self? ignore
most people do not do what you do, in fact most would disapprove, and i am talking from years of experience with "religious people"...
I-S-L-A-M-I-C H-I-S-T-O-R-Y ......i tell them the truth, no fairy stories.
so you tell them how hadith and sunnah distorted Islam? jedi bravo
i bet that goes down well! ;D
well your a very brave man. muscle
You won't catch me doing that in a Sunni Mosque!
peace,
sugar -
I was just joking salt... D
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I was just joking salt... D
it's S-U-G-A-R jedi
so you were joking about teaching islamic history in a sunni mosque?
peace,
sugar -
No i wasn't joking about that part....
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No i wasn't joking about that part....
if you don't mention hadith and sunnah what do you tell them? confused
I know some very good fairy tales ;D
but exclude the fairy tales and hadith and sunnah, what are you left with? confused
peace,
sugar -
Peace,
i believe this is a cult as the members are always bitter and have the same subject they hate- the sunnis!
This place might be a cult if you consider that people are perhaps bitter when it comes to the subject of setting-up partners with God and blaspheming His name/message...And they are happy and extatic when it comes to revearing the Almighty and studying His commands.
i know someone who uses this forum and i have seen this person change in ways i cannot understand.
this is a brief description of the change-
- a lot of bitterness against sunnis
- treating sunnis like they are less than human (calls them superficially nice, simple people but nasty to the core)
- advocating and actively promoting what layth says in his articles (eg. hajj article)
- advocating that sunnis are idol worshippers
- sunnis cannot be included in the brotherhood of Islam
- cutting off all relations with sunnis, even if they are siblings or immediate family members
To answer you question, your friend is correct that Sunnis are mushrikeen...This is a fact as long as they continue to reject God`s assertion that His book is complete and they set-up partners who give them laws to follow other than what God has revealed.
How your friend decides to deal with such people is upto him, as long as he maintains justice in all his dealings.
With regards to anything I have written or said here or elsewhere...It is my responsibility to present what I believe is true and correct with evidence...It is the responsibility of the reader to verify and question, never to simply accept.
P.S. You insult many people by claiming that this forum or website are representing my views (Layth`s site!)...This forum and site is a representation of the work of the many people who have written and who share their ideas.
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Peace,
To Andfutuna, you said that sugar assumed that you were a sunni, but you assumed that free-minds.org is a cult, why assuming at all!? )
Maria
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Peace,
To Andfutuna, you said that sugar assumed that you were a sunni, but you assumed that free-minds.org is a cult, why assuming at all!?
Maria
peace Maria, nicely put
All these are forms and words. Each Idol has a form.
Cult, Sunni, Quran-only, God-only are all just words. A vibration going from one mouth to another ear! The ISSUE is the MESSAGE being conveyed and not what is the name of the conveyor. The real message passes through ear unto Mind and Then into HEART.
Wise said MOON IS UP THERE. DON,T stare at the finger!
Either we are able to convey the message or we are going to be absorbed in the fight of FORMS.peace
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Peace andfutuna
I would invite you to take a look around at all the threads. Pick a thread any thread - you'll find a miriad of opinions!
You'll find some opposed and some in favor - and even those in favor have shades of differences.You'll see for yourself how instead of this being a cult (only one accepted way of thinking, and all follow the leader blindly) it is a free speech forum where all opinions are accepted, provided you respect others' dignity.
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