I believe this is a cult
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So the Millwall Fan Club is a cult ?
i am sorry my original message might have come across as insulting to this forum. i wanted to catch the readers attention.
you didn't have to say that.
You should have mentioned your friend at the beginning ;D What you say about your friend is not something that will be ignored by the members peace
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peace,
sugar -
I follow the Quran alone, but i focus on the things in common, so we can build bridges.
To be honest your the only person I know with that view...
Your just 17, of course you don't know much but this in my eyes the best way and also what the Quran preaches. Also i'm not scared to debate with them. The biggest mistake people make is to generalize and behave the same way to everybody as the extreme sunnis do, they act the same as the people they hate...
I teach sunnis islamic history in the local mosque.
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what do you tell them?
I-S-L-A-M-I-C H-I-S-T-O-R-Y ......i tell them the truth, no fairy stories.
Peace
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peace
could this be my friend?
the reply was expected. you have just demonstrated my point. as you did not like what i wrote, you insulted my belief and laughed at me and ASSUMED I WAS A SUNNI!
If you are not a sunni, how did anyone insult your beliefs?
What are your beliefs anyway?
And you can't expect to call the members of this forum a "cult" and expect them to like it.I personally don't hate sunnis. My family is sunni and I love them. I disagree with their beliefs but that doesn't mean i think they are "evil."
You are the one doing the assuming.
Stop blaming people of crimes you are committing.
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
What your theological think-tank says Quran is Allah's Words because it says so, hence everything it mentions must be absolutely correct and all other information outside of it becomes moot? voodoo
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Peace,
No it is that this person has the wrong definition of a cult. A cult has certain by which it can be called a cult, this forum misses those factors and cannot be called by missing those factors, this forum would fall under the definition think-tank.
What your theological think-tank says Quran is Allah's Words because it says so, hence everything it mentions must be absolutely correct and all other information outside of it becomes moot? voodoo
This is your observation which i don't agree with. Different views are allowed. And thank you for showing exactly what i mean this cannot be a cult.
Peace
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Danish we already have a thread for that. )
s in my eyes the best way and also what the Quran preaches. Also i'm not scared to debate with them. The biggest mistake people make is to generalize and behave the same way to everybody as the extreme sunnis do, they act the same as the people they hate...
i often generalize >
it's a bad habit i need to snap out of -X
the biggest mistake people make is to generalize
Your just 17, of course you don't know much
do you always contradict your self? ignore
most people do not do what you do, in fact most would disapprove, and i am talking from years of experience with "religious people"...
I-S-L-A-M-I-C H-I-S-T-O-R-Y ......i tell them the truth, no fairy stories.
so you tell them how hadith and sunnah distorted Islam? jedi bravo
i bet that goes down well! ;D
well your a very brave man. muscle
You won't catch me doing that in a Sunni Mosque!
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I was just joking salt... D
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I was just joking salt... D
it's S-U-G-A-R jedi
so you were joking about teaching islamic history in a sunni mosque?
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No i wasn't joking about that part....
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No i wasn't joking about that part....
if you don't mention hadith and sunnah what do you tell them? confused
I know some very good fairy tales ;D
but exclude the fairy tales and hadith and sunnah, what are you left with? confused
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Peace,
i believe this is a cult as the members are always bitter and have the same subject they hate- the sunnis!
This place might be a cult if you consider that people are perhaps bitter when it comes to the subject of setting-up partners with God and blaspheming His name/message...And they are happy and extatic when it comes to revearing the Almighty and studying His commands.
i know someone who uses this forum and i have seen this person change in ways i cannot understand.
this is a brief description of the change-
- a lot of bitterness against sunnis
- treating sunnis like they are less than human (calls them superficially nice, simple people but nasty to the core)
- advocating and actively promoting what layth says in his articles (eg. hajj article)
- advocating that sunnis are idol worshippers
- sunnis cannot be included in the brotherhood of Islam
- cutting off all relations with sunnis, even if they are siblings or immediate family members
To answer you question, your friend is correct that Sunnis are mushrikeen...This is a fact as long as they continue to reject God`s assertion that His book is complete and they set-up partners who give them laws to follow other than what God has revealed.
How your friend decides to deal with such people is upto him, as long as he maintains justice in all his dealings.
With regards to anything I have written or said here or elsewhere...It is my responsibility to present what I believe is true and correct with evidence...It is the responsibility of the reader to verify and question, never to simply accept.
P.S. You insult many people by claiming that this forum or website are representing my views (Layth`s site!)...This forum and site is a representation of the work of the many people who have written and who share their ideas.
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Peace,
To Andfutuna, you said that sugar assumed that you were a sunni, but you assumed that free-minds.org is a cult, why assuming at all!? )
Maria
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Peace,
To Andfutuna, you said that sugar assumed that you were a sunni, but you assumed that free-minds.org is a cult, why assuming at all!?
Maria
peace Maria, nicely put
All these are forms and words. Each Idol has a form.
Cult, Sunni, Quran-only, God-only are all just words. A vibration going from one mouth to another ear! The ISSUE is the MESSAGE being conveyed and not what is the name of the conveyor. The real message passes through ear unto Mind and Then into HEART.
Wise said MOON IS UP THERE. DON,T stare at the finger!
Either we are able to convey the message or we are going to be absorbed in the fight of FORMS.peace
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Peace andfutuna
I would invite you to take a look around at all the threads. Pick a thread any thread - you'll find a miriad of opinions!
You'll find some opposed and some in favor - and even those in favor have shades of differences.You'll see for yourself how instead of this being a cult (only one accepted way of thinking, and all follow the leader blindly) it is a free speech forum where all opinions are accepted, provided you respect others' dignity.
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Peace be upon you,
i believe this is a cult as the members are always bitter and have the same subject they hate- the sunnis!
Ok We hope that you will do with your beliefs that same that ALL MANKIND must do and take them to the testing grounds to ascertain if that "belief" is Knowledge or not because the God says that "we shall not go after that which we have no knowledge of" and tells us to ask "My Lord, increase me in knowledge/Knowing".
Knowing and believeing are not the same. Believing ALWYAS mean you dont KNOW. Whehn you KNOW, you say, I KNOW, when you are not sure you say "I Believe", because you cannot reason it through.
We respect your opinion, but here we must take all opinions to the open court and let the "throwing" commence.
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doesn't a cult have fixated rules about everything; That's the complete opposite of how it's like here, most people here have different views (which i feel is a good thing) Since most peoples' point(s) of view(s) are different. To me what's a great movie could be to you a horrible movie.
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Peace ik
JACK BAUER ROCKS ;D
I'm addicted to 24
it's a shame we gotta wait a million months for the new episodes! brickwallsorry for the off-topic angel
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peace soul2squeeze
haha AWESOME !
I am addicted to it too ! Bauer is the man !
Yeah 7 months !! Aahhh !! Though lately (for me) this month went by fast.
Hehe sorry for going off-topic too ;D
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this is a brief description of the change-
- a lot of bitterness against sunnis
- treating sunnis like they are less than human (calls them superficially nice, simple people but nasty to the core)
- advocating and actively promoting what layth says in his articles (eg. hajj article)
- advocating that sunnis are idol worshippers
- sunnis cannot be included in the brotherhood of Islam
- cutting off all relations with sunnis, even if they are siblings or immediate family members
Peace Andfutuna
I understand what you have said about the cult. I think what you meant is that you feel that people blindly follow the articles that are on the website. This is really only a question that individual members can answer. However, I feel that looking at the variety of postings here you will come to realise that this is not the case.
I myself was worried that I was too influenced by these articles and blindly following them, so I did my own study for a bit, and I have realised that you need the help of others, at least intially anyway.
As for your points, of course we are only hearing one side anyway. As for 1) Isn't this understandable - especially if they have just embraced Islam and were previously Sunni?
Point 2) is obviously an overstatement but I must admit that I have never met a Sunni who treated me the same after I left their religion. Their intolerance is the most striking feature and the lack of desire to have a genuine dialogue (of course related to the intolerance). I also find the ardent Sunnis are able to comprehend simple issues, but beyond this (e.g. freedom of religion) their morality really does fall down. This is no coincidence in a religion which preaches that the key to salvation lies in mindless rituals. No matter how intelligent an ardent Sunni is, on religious/moral issues they are all extremely backward (from my experience). The low point of this was attending a 'Friday prayer' at a University and being told that there was no conflict of interest between killing an apostate and freedom of religion. This is because the person is, apparently free to make the decision and then he is killed!
Point 3) - this person has to make sure that he is not following humans as a source of law, much like those that follow 'Rashad Khilafah' (www.submission,org).
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Should we take only God as a source of law?
Is the Quran from God?
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See point 4
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See 328 and I am sure there are lots of other examples of similar quotes.
Of course, all of the above is my opinion.
Roshan
