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    As salamu alaykum.
    Respectfully. jedi

    The prayers mentioned BY NAME in the Quran are three
    1- Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer)2458
    2- Salat Al-Esha (Night Prayer)2458
    3- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (The Middle Prayer) 2238.
    The following points all confirm that there are only three Salat authorised by God in the Quran
    FIRST
    God tells us that the Quran contains all the details (6114) and that nothing has been left out of the book (63.
    If this is the case, and more important, IF WE BELIEVE GOD 100%, then we have to ask why are the names of the other two salat not mentioned in the Quran?
    The reply to this can be one of the following
    1- God forgot to mention the other two! (this option is obviously false, because God does NOT forget).
    2- The Quran does not contain all the details (this is also false because God tells us in 6114 that it does).
    3- God did not mention the names of the other 2 salat because they are not important . This is also a false option, if they were not important then they would not be compulsory, as a result to claim that there are 5 compulsory prayers becomes a false claim.
    4- God did not mention the names of the other 2 prayers because God wants us to guess them !!! Once again this is false, the Quran is not a book of puzzles.
    5- God does not mention the names of the other 2 salat because God wants us to uphold our inherited rituals as a second source of law besides the Quran! Once again this assumption is incorrect since it is in violation of 6114, 73 and 548. For all the details please go to Millat Ibraheem
    6- God does not mention the names of the other 2 prayers, because THERE IS NO OTHER 2 PRAYERS according to the law of the Quran.
    THE GENUINE BELIEVERS WILL NOT ACCEPT
    ANY OPTION OTHER THAN NUMBER 6
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    Let us read 11114 where the misunderstanding occurred
    "You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayers) at the ends of the day, and zulufann min al-layl."11114
    There has been a number of interpretations of the words 'zulufann min al-layl' the ones that are most used are (part of the night) or (during the night) or (some part of the night).
    However, none of these interpretations is accurate or in line with the Quranic use of the word 'zulufan' as will be shown shortly.

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      Traditionally, this verse has been interpreted to mean (you shall observe the prayers at both ends of the day AND part of the night) ?.. as a result, the verse was interpreted to be speaking about two Salat at the end of the day PLUS an additional salat during the night, a total of 3 salat. Those with this interpretation give these 3 Salat the names of Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer, which is mentioned by name in the Quran), Salat Al-Maghrib (not mentioned by name in the Quran), plus Salat Al-Esha (Night prayer, which is mentioned in the Quran by name but with a different time range).
      Others have interpreted this verse to be speaking about Salat Al-Fajr (mentioned in the Quarn) and Salat al-Asr (not mentioned in the Quran) plus salat Al-Maghrib (not mentioned in the Quran by name).
      All these interpretations rely on names and times of Salat that not authorised in the Quran. The whole mis-understanding is due to the fact that they have failed to accept that this verse (11114) in actual fact speaks of TWO Salat and NOT three. This will be apparent once we establish the true meaning of key words in 11114.
      The root of the word 'zulufann' is 'Zulfa'. This word is used in the Quran to mean near or adjacent
      " ..... Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us 'zulfa' (near/close) to God ...." 393
      As a result, the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' means the near/adjacent part of the night. The obvious question is near to what? Nothing can be described as 'near' in absolute terms, the word near can only have a meaning when we have a reference point to which this thing is near to. So now we have to read 11114 again and see what does God mean by near, near to what? The only other reference points given in 11114 are the two ends of the day (sunrise and sunset). Also note that the word which is used in 11114 is 'zulufann', this is a plural form of 'zulfa', thus the words 'zulufann min al-layl' speak of the parts of the night (plural) that are adjacent to the two ends of the day (sunrise and sunset).
      The adjacent parts of the night (to sunrise and sunset) are the two 'parts' of the night, the part before sunrise, and the part after sunset (note that anytime before sunrise and after sunset is defined as night in Quranic terminology).
      As a result it becomes apparent that God is giving us in 11114 the range of two salat. The range for the two salat are the parts of the night that are just before sunrise and immediately after sunset.
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        Perhaps the word "wa" (which means AND) and which is placed before the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' in 11114 contributed largely to the mis-interpretation of this verse. Many have understood the word 'and' to mean (and an additional Salat), however, the word 'and' simply links the two ends of the day with their adjacent parts of the night to give the time range of the two salat. This is not any different than the following example
        If your doctor tells you You can only have your medicine at miday AND for the following few hours.
        What does this mean? Does this mean that you must take the medicine at miday and then take it AGAIN for a few hours after that? or does it simply mean that the time you can take the medicine is anytime between miday and the few hours after that?
        Similarly, if God tells us to observe the Salat at the ends of the day 'and' for the adjacent hours of the night, it is the same thing. The word 'and' in 11114 does not indicate an additional third prayer.
        With reason, it can be proved that this is the ONLY logical explanation of this verse
        1- A command to observe the salat at the two ends of the day (without the inclusion of the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl&#039, does not provide us with any indication as to when exactly these two Salat are to be observed. This is because the ends of the day are mere points in time that are no longer than a minute each. Surely God does not expect all believers to observe the salat only during the few seconds that it takes the sun to rise or set? It is only with the addition of the words "zulufan min al-layl" in the same verse that the command indicates a time range when these two salat should be observed.
        2- To get round this tricky situation some have claimed that we can observe the Salat around the two points and not only during the actual sunrise/sunset, but this is equally unacceptable. This interpretation gives rise to a new valid question Does this mean that we may observe the Salat anytime before or after sunrise/sunset? Is it only before sunrise/sunset? Is it only after sunrise/sunset? It is obvious that we would be left without any clues as to when exactly to observe these two Salat unless we accept the further clarification given by the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl'. This phrase confirms that it is the night side of the sunrise and sunset that the salat may be observed.
        The two Salat at the ends of the day that are spoken of in 11114 are given specific names in the Quran. They are Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn Prayer) and Salat Al-Esha (Night Prayer).

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          THIRD
          Now we come to the third Salat mentioned in the Quran, which is Al-Salat Al-Wusta (223.

          The word Wusta is the adjective of the word Wasat which means middle, therefore the words Al-Salat Al-Wusta mean 'The Middle Prayer'. Moreover, the notion of a 'Middle' prayer indicates that the number of prayers is an odd number. Consequently, the Salat Al-Wusta is a prayer that lies half way between the two prayers at the two ends of the day. In astronomical terms this Salat is due exactly at the middle of the day, i.e. when the sun has travelled half its distance in the sky.
          In 2238 we read the words 'hafezu ala al-salawaat', which mean (you shall persevere with your prayers). The word 'Salawaat' is plural and speaks of more than two prayers. If they were only two prayers the word used would have been 'Al-Salatayn' (the two prayers). Moreover, if God was speaking about the concept of prayer in general, and without referring to the number of individual salat, the words used would have been "hafezu ala al-salat" as we read in many other verse.
          The Salat Al-Wusta can be observed from the moment the sun begins its descend from its highest point (duluk al shams) until the darkness of the night (ghasaq al-layl) starts, which is at sunset
          "You shall observe the Salat (Contact Prayer) from when the sun declines from its highest point up till the 'ghasaq al-layl' (the darkness of the night)." 1778
          P.S. The darkness of the night starts to set in at sunset. And that is when the Salat Al-Wusta ends.
          FOURTH
          God tells us that the time of each prayer is precisely appointed "kitaban mawqootan" 4103. The word "kitaban" which means BOOK refers to the Quran, or to 'that which is written'. The deliberate use of this word by God confirms to us that the precise appointed time for each of the prayers is given in the Quran. Once again this conforms to the fact that the Quran contains all the details.
          Now let us assume that the total number of prayers every day is five, then where in the Quran do we find the appointed time for the claimed 'Salat Al-Asr' (afternoon prayer)? When does it start? Similarly, when does the fagr prayer start? When does the claimed 'Maghrib' (sunset) prayer end? (remember if we accept that there are 5 prayers in the Quran, then we cannot interpret the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' to indicate a time span, but to indicate an additional salat).
          It is a known fact that non of the advocates of the five prayers is able to give any Quranic reference for the time spans of all five prayers.

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            The five prayer interpretation cannot be substantiated by using Quranic evidence.
            But if we accept the Quranic truth about the three salat, and accept that the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' gives the time span for the two prayers at sunrise and sunset, then the times of all three prayers are precisely given in the Quran.
            The time for three prayers would thus be as follows
            THE FAGR (DAWN) PRAYER
            This prayer starts when the first thin ray of light is observed in the sky. God gives us the explanation to this when "the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn." 2187
            The time for the dawn prayer is also given in the Quran with the words
            " ??.. and at dawn as the stars fade away." 5249
            This poetic description of the time for the dawn prayer in 5249 is very accurate scientifically. The stars start to fade out when the first rays of light appear in the sky, and they are completely gone with sunrise.
            The Dawn prayer ends at the first 'taraf' (terminal) of the day which is sunrise (11114).
            Consequently, the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' which translates to (the adjacent or near hours of the night) give us a very accurate description of the time for the Fajr (Dawn) payer. The Fagr prayer can be observed during the last hour or so of the night when there is light in the sky. This hour/s are still part of the night, this is because day does not begin until the sun rises.
            THE ESHA (NIGHT) PRAYER
            The night prayer is identical to the dawn prayer but at the other end of the day (Sunset). This prayer starts at the second 'taraf' (terminal) of the day which is sunset, and lasts for the adjacent night hour/s when the light has not disappeared completely from the sky. The prayer ends when the light has totally disappeared from the night sky.
            THE WUSTA (MIDDLE) PRAYER
            The middle or 'Wusta' prayer starts when the sun starts to decline from its highest point in the sky (dulook al-shams) and ends when the darkness of the night starts to set in (sunset).
            FIFTH
            Now let us look at one more verse that also sheds light on the number of prayers in the day
            "O you who believe, when the Salat is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of God, and drop all business. This is better for you, if you only knew.
            Once the prayer is completed, you may spread through the land to seek God's bounties, and continue to remember God frequently, that you may succeed." 629-10

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              Salaam Arnold

              Who was the one who sanctioned the "The original festival of Jesus's birth was in january"?

              Salaam

              Peace,

              And you don't understand the power of the schools. Everyone also makes wudu different then the Quran wuduu. There are many optional prayers in sunnism. It is nor surprise 2 optional prayers were sneaked in times to make them obligatory. I study Theology and you will be surprised with what things people get away with. To hold to the notion that people would not have taken it is naieve. The original festival of Jesus's birth was in january, now it is on 25th december, because that is the birthday of mitra, the sungod. i can give thousands of examples of how things are sneaked in and accpeted over time. You only have to twist the theology little by little and people will accept it.

              Peace,

              This was by Constantine the emporer. Instead of all the christians rebelling, they accepted it. The Russian church didn't accept it, and broke away years later, they still hold the celibration on the 6th of januari if i'm correct, what is called 'three kings'. But this is just one example... there are more.

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                The words 'drop all business' and also the words 'Once the prayer is completed, you may spread through the land to seek God's bounties' indicate that this prayer is in the day hours. The reasoning behind this is that since no one is likely to be engaged in their business and have to drop it in the early hours before sunrise, means that this prayer is not the Fajr prayer. Similarly it cannot be the Esha prayer since God says that after the Friday prayer the believers may continue with their business, no one is likely to be continuing working in the late hours of the night.
                Consequently, if this Salat is not the Fajr prayer nor the Esha prayer, this leaves the Salat Al-Wusta. Once again this is strong indication that there are only 3 and not 5.
                The reason is simple
                Suppose there are 5 Salat, we know that the Friday prayer is during the day (not night), this means that (in a 5 prayer format) it could be the noon (Zuhr) prayer, or it can be the afternoon (Asr) prayer ??
                Which one would it be? If we accept that the Quran contains all the details (6114), and that the Quran provides explanations for everything (1689), we would ultimately accept that God would not leave us to guess which prayer in the day is the Friday prayer.
                However, if we accept that there are only 3 prayers in a day, then the Jumah Salat (Friday Prayer) cannot be other than the Middle Prayer.
                SIXTH
                As we have seen, apart from the Salat Al-Wusta, the only other prayers mentioned in the Quran by name are the Fajr and Esha prayers. These are the two Salat at the ends of the day (sunrise and sunset). The Middle Prayer (Salat Al-Wusta) must be one that is at the middle between the two ends of the day.
                Those who insist that there are 5 prayers in the day, believe that the Salat Al-Wusta is the Asr Prayer. However, the time of Asr is NOT the middle of the day, the middle of the day is exactly at duluk al-shams (when the sun starts to decline from its highest point) that is because the sun would have travelled exactly half the distance in the sky and beginning its descent, it is thus exactly half the day (nahar).
                As a result, the Salat Al-Wusta gets its name as a result of it being exactly half way between the two Tarafai Al-Nahar (sunrise and sunset). The Salat Al-Wusta starts at 'duluk al-shams' and ends at sunset.

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                  SEVENTH
                  If we look at verse 2458 one more time, we note that God speaks of 2 Salats (Fajr and Esha ), but only speaks of the TIME of Zahira (zohr). Is it a coincidence that God did not say when you change your clothes after Salat Al-Zahira/Zohr, but only said the TIME of zahira? If there is a Salat called Salat Al-Zohr (as the advocates of the 5 prayers claim), wouldn't we expect to see the words 'after Salat Al-Zahira/Zohr' just like God mentions Salat Al-Fajr and Salat Al-Esha in the same verse?
                  EIGTH
                  In the old days, people did not have printed lists of times of prayers and astronomical calculations, etc. They could not do like we do now, turn on the radio or TV or buy a Prayer Timetable.
                  However, God must have given a means to determine the times of prayers even for those early communities (before the Quran) who did not have the facilities we have today. God must have given them a NATURAL means of determining the times of the prayers.
                  Today for example, there is no way for the followers of the 5 Salat to know when does 'Salat Al-Asr' starts except through looking at those astronomical tables and lists.
                  However, with the correct 3 prayer format, we do not need any of these tables. We do not need Prayer Timetable (Imsakeyah).
                  As long as there is any light in the sky (before sunrise and after sunset) we know it is the time for Fagr and Esha respectively.
                  With the Salat Al-Wusta it is also very easy. When we see no shadow below us when we stand, we know that this is when the sun is highest in the sky. When we start to see the smallest shadow, this is the beginning of the salat al-wusta, it ends when the sun sets.
                  It cannot be easier! alhamd l'Allah, God has made it so easy for us.
                  NINTH
                  Finally we come to the issue of how many Raka to be observed in each Salat.
                  The cycle of standing, bowing and prostrating while praising and glorifying God is traditionally called a Raka. According to the Quranic law, God did not specify any specific number of Raka to be observed in the Salat, thus it is left to the individual.

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                    The advocates of the 5 prayers claim that the number of Raka to be observed during each of the 5 prayers is 24434 respectively.
                    To start, and since there are only three Salat decreed by God for the believers, then this 5-prayer format is false. Where it came from? Probably like all the corruption we inherited in our rituals, they all have routes in the books of hadith (Bukhari, Muslim and others).
                    The advocates of the 5 prayer format have worked out some calculations based on the Quranic code 19 to claim that this 24434 format has been preserved since Abraham.
                    These calculations have been proved non significant and cannot be considered in any way as divine signs.
                    Some other scholars have claimed that the minimum number of Raka during any prayer must be two. They base their claim on the concession to shorten the Salat at times of war (4101). They state that if we are given indication to shorten the Salat, then it must be at least two Raka, that is because it is not feasible to shorten the Salat if it were made of just one Raka!
                    The error in this interpretation is that it is based on the number of Raka and not on the time consumed in our Salat. Since the Quran speaks of standing, bowing and prostration without any time or frequency restrictions, then we may spend the time we wish in any of these positions. In other words, one can spend one minute in the standing position or ten minutes. One could read the Al-Fatiha (The Key) once or ten times. Equally one may praise God during prostration three times or 20 times. One could prostrate once or five times .... etc.
                    If we add the fact that different people excercise different speeds in uttering their prayers, then we are once again compelled to accept that shortening the salat is related to the overall time we give to the Salat and not to the number of Raka. For example, one Raka could be completed in 2 minutes or 20 minutes.
                    The concession to shorten the Salat given in 4101 is thus a time related one. God is telling us if you normally spend (as an example) 10 minutes in your Salat, you may spend 2 or 3 minutes when you are at war.
                    It is more logical to think that at times of war when we are in danger of the enemy, that we minimize the TIME we are at risk rather than minimize the number of Raka.

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                      After all, the concept of Raka is a relative one as shown, and one Raka can be conducted by two different people in totally different times, thus person A may do 3 raka's in the same time that person B has done 5 or 6. But if we accept that the concession in 4101 to be TIME related then the shortening of the Salat would affect all believers symmetrically.
                      Moreover, this interpretation, which is TIME related, is more logical since it is not based on assumptions that do not exist in the Quran ..... The assumption of a minimum number of Raka is not in the Quran, plus ofcourse, the whole concept of a Raka (made of one standing, one bowing and the traditional two prostrations) is not in the Quran. The Quran speaks of the 3 positions in a specific order but there are no restrictions on the frequency of each. The majority of Muslims prostrate twice in every Raka. The Quran does not specify once or twice or more, hence who is to say that one who prostrates five or six times is in violation of any Quranic command?

                      No offence, brothers and sister. angel
                      I?m truly sorry for being sooooooo long. peace angel sun
                      As salamu alaykum. jedi jedi

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                        Salaam

                        YUSUFALI Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, (1)before the rising of the sun, and(2) before its setting; yea, celebrate them for(3) part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.
                        PICKTHAL Therefor (O Muhammad), bear with what they say, and celebrate the praise of thy Lord ere the rising of the sun and ere the going down thereof. And glorify Him some hours of the night and at the two ends of the day, that thou mayst find acceptance.
                        SHAKIR Bear then patiently what they say, and glorify your Lord by the praising of Him before the rising of the sun and before its setting, and during hours of the night do also glorify (Him) and during parts of the day, that you may be well pleased
                        KHALIFA Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy.

                        011.114
                        YUSUFALI And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the (4)approaches of the night For those things, that are good remove those that are evil Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord)
                        PICKTHAL Establish worship at the two ends of the day and in some watches of the night. Lo! good deeds annul ill-deeds. This is reminder for the mindful.
                        SHAKIR And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds this is a reminder to the mindful.
                        KHALIFA You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.
                        017.078
                        YUSUFALI Establish regular prayers - at the sun's decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. PICKTHAL Establish worship at the going down of the sun until the dark of night, and (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn. Lo! (the recital of) the Qur'an at dawn is ever witnessed.
                        SHAKIR Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed.
                        KHALIFA You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the (5)sun declines from its
                        highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.

                        017.079
                        YUSUFALI And pray in the small watches of the morning (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!
                        PICKTHAL And some part of the night awake for it, a largess for thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
                        SHAKIR And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory.
                        KHALIFA During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank.

                        030.017
                        YUSUFALI So (give) glory to Allah, when ye reach eventide and when ye rise in the morning;
                        PICKTHAL So glory be to Allah when ye enter the night and when ye enter the morning -
                        SHAKIR Therefore glory be to Allah when you enter upon the time of the evening and when you enter upon the time of the morning.
                        KHALIFA Therefore, you shall glorify GOD when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morning.

                        030.018
                        YUSUFALI Yea, to Him be praise, in the heavens and on earth; and in the late afternoon and when the day begins to decline. PICKTHAL Unto Him be praise in the heavens and the earth! - and at the sun's decline and in the noonday.
                        SHAKIR And to Him belongs praise in the heavens and the earth, and at nightfall and when you are at midday.
                        KHALIFA All praise is due to Him in the heavens and the earth, throughout the evening, as well as in the middle of your day.

                        What do all these references refer to. Do they not suggest 5 prayers

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                          As salamu alaykum.
                          Respectfully. jedi

                          Okay, no offence, i guess we'll just have to wait for others to get into this talk or even someone who has more knowledge of the Qur'an or someone who is fluent in Arabic.

                          As salamu alaykum.

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                            Salaam Alen

                            You said no offense for being too long, you copied A. Muhammad's website and pasted here. All those arguments have been disputed.

                            I have a question for you. Look at this verse below

                            Qur?aan 5249
                            Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.

                            My question is would you say this verse is referring to the Fajr (Dawn) Salaat?

                            After all, the concept of Raka is a relative one as shown, and one Raka can be conducted by two different people in totally different times, thus person A may do 3 raka's in the same time that person B has done 5 or 6. But if we accept that the concession in 4101 to be TIME related then the shortening of the Salat would affect all believers symmetrically.
                            Moreover, this interpretation, which is TIME related, is more logical since it is not based on assumptions that do not exist in the Quran ..... The assumption of a minimum number of Raka is not in the Quran, plus ofcourse, the whole concept of a Raka (made of one standing, one bowing and the traditional two prostrations) is not in the Quran. The Quran speaks of the 3 positions in a specific order but there are no restrictions on the frequency of each. The majority of Muslims prostrate twice in every Raka. The Quran does not specify once or twice or more, hence who is to say that one who prostrates five or six times is in violation of any Quranic command?

                            No offence, brothers and sister. angel
                            I?m truly sorry for being sooooooo long. peace angel sun
                            As salamu alaykum. jedi jedi

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                              Alen you have said this

                              ?The root of the word 'zulufann' is 'Zulfa'. This word is used in the Quran to mean near or adjacent?

                              and you, Alen said this

                              ?As a result, the phrase 'zulufann min al-layl' means the near/adjacent part of the night. The obvious question is near to what??

                              I would like to provide you with some information from Basma Khalifa when she debated Omar Edibat on Salaat. Below are Basma Khalifa?s words

                              ?The second key expression is the use of "zulafan mina allayl" or "during the night". You based your conclusion on a very wrong grammatical basis. The word "Zulafan" is a simple plural form of the word "Zulafah" which means "part". No proximity, closeness or nearness is involved hear. You are mistaken with another word that has the same Arabic letters but pronounced different. This word is "Zulfa" with no "a" after the "L" and it means near and cannot, by any mean, have a plural form. Please check the Arabic and examine how God's perfect word is written and how its "Tashkeel" or" vowel indication" is clear.

                              You can see that some of the other translators, have combined "near" and "parts" in their translation of that verse, others used the word approaches and the rest have failed to translate the real meaning of the word. This is all because of their ignorance of the real meaning of the word "Zulafan" and the mix up with the other word that means "near".

                              The third key word is the preposition" Mina" or "of the". If we translate word by word, "Zulafan mina allayl" would be "parts of the night". Again no proximity or closeness is involved here. The contact prayer we are commanded to observe is falling in any part of the night and is mentioned by name as a single contact prayer "Salat al Ashaa" in 2458. No confusion, no meditation or supplication. It's one, single contact prayer to be observed at any part of the night.

                              It's also important to notice the use of the word "Al layl" in 11114 and "Al -eshaa" in 2458 which are definitely indicating to dark points of the night, which is very important to differentiate between the night prayer and the sunset prayer that is observed at the early stages of the night.

                              As you can see, word by word translation by saying "and at parts of the night" doesn't sound as clear and as beautiful as "during the night"

                              Alen with your copy and past of A. Muhammad?s entire website whom I directly wrote a rebuttal to, it is apparent that you interpret Qur?aan 11114 to represent only 2 Salaat. Below is your copy and paste

                              ?As a result it becomes apparent that God is giving us in 11114 the range of two salat. The range for the two salat are the parts of the night that are just before sunrise and immediately after sunset.?

                              The key Arabic word ?WA? undermines the foundation of your argument. Read carefully the Arabic words below of (Qur?aan 11114) to see how they flow. It is clear that the Arabic word ?Wa? which is equivalent to ?and? in English is adding an ADDITIONAL Salaat, it is not referring to the statement or phrase before ?Wa (and)? instead it is referring to the phrase or statement AFTER ?Wa (and)? introducing the Isha (Night) Salaat

                              Waaqimi (You shall observe) + Al Salaat (worship-pray 5 times a day) + Tarafayin Nahar (at both ends of the day) + Wa (and) + Zulafan Mina Al Layl (during the night)

                              This verse represents the following Salaat periods

                              (1) Fajr
                              (2) Maghrib
                              (3) Isha

                              Below is the correct English translation

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.

                              Below are other examples of Muslims accurately translating this verse

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              You shall observe the contact prayers (salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.

                              Translated by Rashad Khalifa

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              And observe Prayer at the two ends of the day and in some early hours of the night. Surely, the good deeds wipe out the evil ones. That is a reminder for those who would remember.

                              Translated by Amatul Rahman Omar & Abdul Mannan Omar

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              And keep up prayer at the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night. Surely good deeds take away evil deeds. This is a reminder for the mindful.

                              Maulana Muhammad Ali

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              And observe Prayer at the two ends of the day, and in some hours of the night. Surely, good works drive away the evil ones. This is a reminder for those who would remember.

                              Translated by Malik Ghulam Farid

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.

                              Translated by M.H. Shakir

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              Establish you prayer at the two ends of the day, and in some watches of the night. Verily virtues obliterate vices. That is a reminder to the mindful.

                              Translated by Abdul Majid Daryabadi

                              And every single one of these Muslims interpret this verse to represent 3 Salaat and not 2 because that is the correct meaning. One thing in this forum, it has become very noticeable how people will misinterpret and misrepresent proper context of Allah?s Holy Book (Al Qur?aan) so easily as though taqwa does not exist.

                              This verse 11114 is clearly representing 3 Salaat and not 2. For complete details and analysis check out the link below. The beginning part of this research has already disputed A. Muhammad?s article that you copied and past here

                              http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm

                              There is no such thing as 3 Salaat, Allah authorized 5 Salaat

                              (1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
                              (2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
                              (3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
                              (4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
                              (5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458

                              (1) The Dawn (Fajr) prayer must be observed during two hours before sunrise (Qur?aan 11114 & Qur?aan 245

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.

                              Now the proponents of the 3 Salaat Theory will acknowledge that the Dawn (Fajr) prayer is mentioned here, even though the word Fajr is not mentioned here by name and we will agree it is also talking about the Dawn (Fajr) Prayer. We will address our disagreement later concerning this verse. So now we have Dawn (Fajr) established.

                              Qur?aan 2458
                              O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.

                              Again we have the Dawn Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 1.

                              (2) The Noon (Zuhr) Prayer is due when the sun declines from its highest point at noon (Qur?aan 177

                              Qur?aan 1778
                              You shall observe the Salaat when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Qur?aan at dawn. (Reciting) the Qur?aan at dawn is witnessed.

                              We have the Noon Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 2.

                              (3) The Afternoon (Asr) Prayer can be observed during the 3-4 hours preceding sunset (Qur?aan 223

                              Qur?aan 2238
                              You shall consistently observe the Salaat especially the middle Prayer (the afternoon Prayer), and devote yourselves totally to Allah alone.

                              We have the Middle Prayer established, which is the afternoon Prayer and this makes PRAYER 3.

                              (4) The Sunset (Maghrib) prayer becomes due after sunset (Qur?aan 11114)

                              Qur?aan 11114
                              You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.

                              We have the Sunset Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 4.

                              (5) The Night (Isha) prayer can be observed after the twighlight disappears from the sky (Qur'aan 245

                              Qur?aan 2458
                              O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.

                              We have the Night Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 5.

                              It is very clear that we have 5 Prayers mentioned in the Qur?aan

                              (1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
                              (2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
                              (3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
                              (4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
                              (5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458

                              Again for complete details that directly addressed A. Muhammad?s website that you copied and paste here go to the link below

                              http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm

                              Salaam

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                                Salaam Arnold

                                I dont know if you are unable or unwilling to understand the point I made.
                                I will try again Number of times the Namaz is read is so basic that even simple ones like me are in the know. There is hardly a Muslim today or in the past who will have been unaware of this. Where as the more obsecure rules such punishment for adultery-hardly any with even good basic understanding of Islam will be aware. Hence if such rules are changed, deleted etc very few will notice. Where as if you suddenly said to the Muslim world sorry guys you have all been praying wrongly it should be 5 really and not 3. Can you imagine the reaction of a an average muslim to this. You fail to fully grasp\the power of state either today or in the past. Even the most poweful cannot cross certain boundries without major consequences
                                regards

                                Stillearning .. all your observations are wise, logical and intelligently put. Well done! D

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                                  Alhamdulillah Zainab and Stillearning.

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                                    As salamu alaykum.
                                    Respectfully.

                                    Well, i'm gonna have to agree with mr. A. Muhammad. The three salat are mentioned in the Qur'an but of course, i will do some more research before i can fully answer you.

                                    As salamu alaykum.

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                                      As Salaamu Alaykum Alen

                                      You never answered this question that I asked you

                                      Look at this verse below

                                      Qur?aan 5249
                                      Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.

                                      My question is would you say this verse is referring to the Fajr (Dawn) Salaat?

                                      As salamu alaykum.
                                      Respectfully.

                                      Well, i'm gonna have to agree with mr. A. Muhammad. The three salat are mentioned in the Qur'an but of course, i will do some more research before i can fully answer you.

                                      As salamu alaykum.

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                                        Peace be upon you Anwar,

                                        I encourage you to learn as much Arabic as you can. I do not belittle that achievenment. But life itself is verifyable in every language and truth is clear from error. I look foward to witness what your arabic studies will bring in terms of better understanding of this reading.

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                                          As Salaamu Alaykum Alen

                                          You never answered this question that I asked you

                                          Look at this verse below

                                          Qur?aan 5249
                                          Also during the night glorify Him, and at dawn as the stars fade away.

                                          My question is would you say this verse is referring to the Fajr (Dawn) Salaat?

                                          As salamu alaykum.
                                          Respectfully.

                                          During the night, as far as i understand, and i wish that someone who is fluent in Arabic correct me, is one prayer (night prayer) and when the stars fade away, is the other (morning prayer).

                                          But i said i need to do some more research on it and then i will be posting some more info on this subject. I only wish that i speak Arabic. -[ -[ -[ -[

                                          As salamu alaykum. jedi

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