Exposing The 3 Salaat Theory
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Salaam enquirer
What you said about age has some truth to it but age is not always the case because there are doctors who have been practising for a long time and older but they are quacks and of course I would rather have a younger doctor who is serious about their practise. There are Imam and religious scholars who are older or elders and they have distorted Islaam but yet you can find some younger one's who knowledge is much deeper. So age and experience is not always the best indication and that is why i believe besides someone's age and experience I would rather judge them on their evidence that they can produce. You also gave an example about your young kids but its a big difference between seeking a young kid for Islaamic knowledge when compared to an adult, I could understand if Khidr and Zainab were in elementary school but that is not the case. Enquirer i do not know what salaat theory you accept but if we are honest with ourselves the side of the Muslims in here who believe in the 3 salaat theory has not really produced strong arguments. All we have been seeing is complaining about khidr approach, another person in here talking about punching someone in the mouth. I have seen people in here use other history to promote 3 Salaat stance but yet they did not like it when Khidr mentioned the Nubian history. But to be truthful we are not seeing any of the Muslims coming forth and producing strong arguments like brother Khidr did on his rebuttal and other links he shared here.
Peace
Peace no_shirk. I admit i was off-topic,but i wanted to respond to the two posters who seemed to be exuding a 'superiority complex'.....To be honest i was not debating the evidence for 2 or 3 salat,nor do i wish to debate it at length because i already gave my little comment on its irrelevance to real-life...
And i dont feel its a cheap shot to question someones experience/age....I said that because i feel some posters have no real-life experience,and just want to indulge in intellectual/theoretical games....
ps; once again,im not asking for peoples personal life details,but a rough sketch of their empirical/real-life experiences......Will i ask a 20 year old virgin for advise on relationships...? Dont you want your doctor/teacher to know practically what they are talking about? You get my drift....? Age and experience has nothing to do with truth...? So my little boy can give me solutions to fix my car hey? peace -
Selaam all,
Selaam brother Al-khidrAs Salaamu Alaykum FJ
FJ you have said that you were not the best debater, with all do respect, after reading your post here, I would like to add to your list that the reverse psychology you attempted to use here is on an elementary level. This does not work with Al Khidr.
Frankly I do not really know what you are talking about? I am not using any reverse psychology at all I simply asked you a question and you keep on writing these long posts along with some verses of Quran, which talk about those who confound the truth with falsehood, who twist their tongues and so on, to avoid answering a simple question. Remember that those same verses are addressed to you as much as they are addressed to everyone of us. You are not excluded.
No-shirk has appropriately said it right, you really need to take a look at 2458 also read the other verses which clearly demonstrates that there are 5 Salaat and not 3. There have been attempts by people in this forum to even mistranslate Qur?aanic verses to support their Theory of 2 or 3 Salaat.
That goes for you and no_shirk as well. What makes you and him so sure that you are on a right side?
I have responded/answered many of your questions and you would not answer my question below in a previous post, we all know the real reasons why
But I would like for you to fine tune your argument here and your strategic motives behind your argument you think you are attempting to bring forth and my question to you is
From your eyes and perception FJ if you said that you do not see Salaat during any time of that intermingling from that one verse you highlighted then FJ I want to know what type of conclusions are you drawing or arriving at usinig that form a logic? Can you please answer that question??
Note you have said you have answered many of my questions... many does not include the one you avoid answering for whatever reasons. To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times. Using that form of logic as you said the conclusion I am arriving at is clear and there is no need to elaborate. Now I think I have answered your question, can you please answer mine? Do you or do you not see Salaat during the intermingling between those times? I know it is hard to say 'yes' but in case you say 'yes' then please take some more time and tell me how and why.
FJ you are the only one that is fooling yourself and they have used you as a genie pick to present this weak argument and even you lack confidence in this argument which is disguised in the form of a question and that is why YOU will not answer my question. The ?3 Salaat Theory? has been DESTROYED from its very roots and no Muslims ever heard of that mess until they visit this forum. And now we have another Muslim here who says that the 5 and 3 Salaat position is wrong and that it is 2 Salaat. There is no taqwa here, people here are distorting the words of Allah at will.
What if it is you the one who is fooling himself? Brother I am nobody's 'genie pick' and what makes you think they are using me to present this weak argument, which in contrary is shaking your 5-Salaat theory. I do not know you nor anyone at all in this forum and you can tell that I am very new in here by looking at my profile. Now I have answered you question above, what do you want more?? I guess you will ask another one.
I am closing this post with the same verses because they apply for all of us.
Qur?aan 275
Do you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the word of Allah, then distort it, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?Qur?aan 245
Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly.Qur?aan 378
Some of them twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture. They then claim that it is from Allah, when it is not from Allah. They utter lies and attribute them to Allah, knowingly.Salaam
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Peace be upon you FJ
There are so many theories in here do you believe in 2, 3, 5 Salaat Theory?
This is your quote ?To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times?
And that is the problem you guys are funny Muslims, you think all the salaat periods are mentioned in that verse. Brother Khidr already addressed that. Here is what he said in one of his post he wrote to you.
?I want to quote an excerpt from a debate that Basma Khalifa had with Omar Edibat on Salaat. Below is what she said in response to a similar question like yours
?Reading throughout the Quran and examining its pattern, we can easily see that information and specifications for certain matters are scattered throughout the Quran. We conclude orders and laws by looking at the whole context of the Quran. We get the whole picture of the Hajj by examining several chapters of the Quran (2, 5,9,22, 4. The month of Ramdan and fasting is specified over many verses in chapter 2, while the Night of Power is exclusively mentioned in chapter 97. The whole picture of divorce is scattered throughout chapters 2, 4, 33, 60, 65, 66.
So it's not unusual for the five prayers to be mentioned in several verses. We cannot dictate the way God is presenting his truth. We all know by now that every word, every letter, every verse number and even the order of verses is precisely chosen, measured and is a part of a very complicated mathematical structure. Our vision of what makes sense and what doesn't is so limited and needs to be questioned and evaluated all the time.?
The purpose as to why I quoted this is to raise the conscious level of understanding that sometimes to get the message Of Allah we have to obtained it from different parts of the Qur?aan. I personally do not know why you would think all 5 Salaat would have to be mentioned in that verse (245 alone. All you have to do FJ is read those verses that I provided to you and you can clearly see that Allah has mentioned 5 periods to observe Salaat. If you can?t see that, I don?t know what else to say.?
Below was another clear direct post by brother khidr on page 15 of this thread
?Alen with your copy and past of A. Muhammad?s entire website whom I directly wrote a rebuttal to, it is apparent that you interpret Qur?aan 11114 to represent only 2 Salaat. Below is your copy and paste
?As a result it becomes apparent that God is giving us in 11114 the range of two salat. The range for the two salat are the parts of the night that are just before sunrise and immediately after sunset.?
The key Arabic word ?WA? undermines the foundation of your argument. Read carefully the Arabic words below of (Qur?aan 11114) to see how they flow. It is clear that the Arabic word ?Wa? which is equivalent to ?and? in English is adding an ADDITIONAL Salaat, it is not referring to the statement or phrase before ?Wa (and)? instead it is referring to the phrase or statement AFTER ?Wa (and)? introducing the Isha (Night) Salaat
Waaqimi (You shall observe) + Al Salaat (worship-pray 5 times a day) + Tarafayin Nahar (at both ends of the day) + Wa (and) + Zulafan Mina Al Layl (during the night)
This verse represents the following Salaat periods
(1) Fajr
(2) Maghrib
(3) IshaBelow is the correct English translation
Qur?aan 11114
You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.Below are other examples of Muslims accurately translating this verse
Qur?aan 11114
You shall observe the contact prayers (salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.Translated by Rashad Khalifa
Qur?aan 11114
And observe Prayer at the two ends of the day and in some early hours of the night. Surely, the good deeds wipe out the evil ones. That is a reminder for those who would remember.Translated by Amatul Rahman Omar & Abdul Mannan Omar
Qur?aan 11114
And keep up prayer at the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night. Surely good deeds take away evil deeds. This is a reminder for the mindful.Maulana Muhammad Ali
Qur?aan 11114
And observe Prayer at the two ends of the day, and in some hours of the night. Surely, good works drive away the evil ones. This is a reminder for those who would remember.Translated by Malik Ghulam Farid
Qur?aan 11114
And keep up prayer in the two parts of the day and in the first hours of the night; surely good deeds take away evil deeds; this is a reminder to the mindful.Translated by M.H. Shakir
Qur?aan 11114
Establish you prayer at the two ends of the day, and in some watches of the night. Verily virtues obliterate vices. That is a reminder to the mindful.Translated by Abdul Majid Daryabadi
And every single one of these Muslims interpret this verse to represent 3 Salaat and not 2 because that is the correct meaning. One thing in this forum, it has become very noticeable how people will misinterpret and misrepresent proper context of Allah?s Holy Book (Al Qur?aan) so easily as though taqwa does not exist.
This verse 11114 is clearly representing 3 Salaat and not 2. For complete details and analysis check out the link below. The beginning part of this research has already disputed A. Muhammad?s article that you copied and past here
http//www.freewebs.com/tawhiyd/3salaattheoryexposed.htm
There is no such thing as 3 Salaat, Allah authorized 5 Salaat
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458(1) The Dawn (Fajr) prayer must be observed during two hours before sunrise (Qur?aan 11114 & Qur?aan 245
Qur?aan 11114
You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.Now the proponents of the 3 Salaat Theory will acknowledge that the Dawn (Fajr) prayer is mentioned here, even though the word Fajr is not mentioned here by name and we will agree it is also talking about the Dawn (Fajr) Prayer. We will address our disagreement later concerning this verse. So now we have Dawn (Fajr) established.
Qur?aan 2458
O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.Again we have the Dawn Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 1.
(2) The Noon (Zuhr) Prayer is due when the sun declines from its highest point at noon (Qur?aan 177
Qur?aan 1778
You shall observe the Salaat when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Qur?aan at dawn. (Reciting) the Qur?aan at dawn is witnessed.We have the Noon Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 2.
(3) The Afternoon (Asr) Prayer can be observed during the 3-4 hours preceding sunset (Qur?aan 223
Qur?aan 2238
You shall consistently observe the Salaat especially the middle Prayer (the afternoon Prayer), and devote yourselves totally to Allah alone.We have the Middle Prayer established, which is the afternoon Prayer and this makes PRAYER 3.
(4) The Sunset (Maghrib) prayer becomes due after sunset (Qur?aan 11114)
Qur?aan 11114
You shall observe the Salaat at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.We have the Sunset Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 4.
(5) The Night (Isha) prayer can be observed after the twighlight disappears from the sky (Qur'aan 245
Qur?aan 2458
O you who believe, permission must be requested by your servants and the children who have not attained puberty (before entering your rooms). This is to be done in three instances-before the Dawn Prayer, at noon when you change your clothes to rest, and after the Night Prayer. These are three private times for you. At other times, it is not wrong for you or them to mingle with one another. Allah thus clarifies the revelations for you. Allah is Omniscient, Most Wise.We have the Night Prayer established and this makes PRAYER 5.
It is very clear that we have 5 Prayers mentioned in the Qur?aan
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr) given in 11114, 2458
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuhr), given in 1778 and 3018
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr), given in 2238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib), given in 11114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha), given in 2458?FJ the 2, 3 Salaat Theory is done. We clearly have 5 Salaat and this can be seen in all English translations of the Qur?an.
Peace brother.
Selaam all,
Selaam brother Al-khidrAs Salaamu Alaykum FJ
FJ you have said that you were not the best debater, with all do respect, after reading your post here, I would like to add to your list that the reverse psychology you attempted to use here is on an elementary level. This does not work with Al Khidr.
Frankly I do not really know what you are talking about? I am not using any reverse psychology at all I simply asked you a question and you keep on writing these long posts along with some verses of Quran, which talk about those who confound the truth with falsehood, who twist their tongues and so on, to avoid answering a simple question. Remember that those same verses are addressed to you as much as they are addressed to everyone of us. You are not excluded.
No-shirk has appropriately said it right, you really need to take a look at 2458 also read the other verses which clearly demonstrates that there are 5 Salaat and not 3. There have been attempts by people in this forum to even mistranslate Qur?aanic verses to support their Theory of 2 or 3 Salaat.
That goes for you and no_shirk as well. What makes you and him so sure that you are on a right side?
I have responded/answered many of your questions and you would not answer my question below in a previous post, we all know the real reasons why
But I would like for you to fine tune your argument here and your strategic motives behind your argument you think you are attempting to bring forth and my question to you is
From your eyes and perception FJ if you said that you do not see Salaat during any time of that intermingling from that one verse you highlighted then FJ I want to know what type of conclusions are you drawing or arriving at usinig that form a logic? Can you please answer that question??
Note you have said you have answered many of my questions... many does not include the one you avoid answering for whatever reasons. To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times. Using that form of logic as you said the conclusion I am arriving at is clear and there is no need to elaborate. Now I think I have answered your question, can you please answer mine? Do you or do you not see Salaat during the intermingling between those times? I know it is hard to say 'yes' but in case you say 'yes' then please take some more time and tell me how and why.
FJ you are the only one that is fooling yourself and they have used you as a genie pick to present this weak argument and even you lack confidence in this argument which is disguised in the form of a question and that is why YOU will not answer my question. The ?3 Salaat Theory? has been DESTROYED from its very roots and no Muslims ever heard of that mess until they visit this forum. And now we have another Muslim here who says that the 5 and 3 Salaat position is wrong and that it is 2 Salaat. There is no taqwa here, people here are distorting the words of Allah at will.
What if it is you the one who is fooling himself? Brother I am nobody's 'genie pick' and what makes you think they are using me to present this weak argument, which in contrary is shaking your 5-Salaat theory. I do not know you nor anyone at all in this forum and you can tell that I am very new in here by looking at my profile. Now I have answered you question above, what do you want more?? I guess you will ask another one.
I am closing this post with the same verses because they apply for all of us.
Qur?aan 275
Do you expect them to believe as you do, when some of them used to hear the word of Allah, then distort it, with full understanding thereof, and deliberately?Qur?aan 245
Do not confound the truth with falsehood, nor shall you conceal the truth, knowingly.Qur?aan 378
Some of them twist their tongues to imitate the scripture, that you may think it is from the scripture, when it is not from the scripture. They then claim that it is from Allah, when it is not from Allah. They utter lies and attribute them to Allah, knowingly.Salaam
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Selaam all,
No_shirk you said
This is your quote ?To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times?
And that is the problem you guys are funny Muslims, you think all the salaat periods are mentioned in that verse. Brother Khidr already addressed that. Here is what he said in one of his post he wrote to you.
Funny Muslims!!, keep on mocking brother!!! Note how you are trying to say that he addressed my question but he didn't. That excerpt only addressed the fact that infos are scattered throughout the Quran and I agree with that. So, why don't you answer that simple question of mine but bring another embelished post just to avoid answering. Can it be any clearer than this?
First private time Salaat --- intermingle ---2nd private time is when we return --- intermingle --- 3rd private time Salaat. Those required asks for permition to enter the room before one is doing the Salaat, then after Salaat one either intermingles with them or they come and intermingle with him/her and if one goes outside to attend to business or whatever then when returning this is another private time no mention of Salaat here, - (remember God does not run out of words He could have easely said Salaat here but He didn't) - after this private time one either goes and intermingles with them or they come and intermingle with him/her and again the third time for them to ask for permition is after Salaat. Very clear indeed?Peace brothers
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Peace no_shirk. I respect your post about age,i am not saying that every older person is automatically more knowledgeable/wiser than a younger one....But i am saying that i respect those who have some real life-experience regarding what they are saying....Not just people quoting books or intellectualising academically on the seat of their pants,with no real research...You know its easy to claim this and that number of salats is better,more effective or has more legitimacy by quoting different verses or academics.....I suggest trying which number and method of prayer/meditation/salat/pondering practically suits an individual best,and which method produces results in terms of effective/peaceful/productive behaviour for a given individual....I know many people who pray 5 times a day and are pretty much horrible people..... (the taliban,bin laden and other less extreme examples are widespread in society,just join a mosque and see the behaviour of some people. ) So my answer is do whatever changes OUR behaviour for the better,even if we have to resort to zen meditation or anger management... elektro muscle handshake peace
ps; also,why the need for one number/one size fits all methods and numbers of prayers? We are all individuals,and what works for me may not work for you,and vice versa....We all have to eat food,yes,but the same type and the same number of meals every day??!! Maybe prayer once a day works best for some people...? -
Peace Fj
Like i said before you guys are some funny Muslims. You contradict your statment. in this post u said u believe things can be scattered around in the Qur'aan but in your other post you said this
?To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times?
So therefore you are saying that all salaat times are in that verse. Brother Khidr answered u correctly he provided the Salaat verses where they all are scattered at and it came up to 5 Salaat. Also to Allah do not have to mention the word salaat to refer to a period of salaat either. Khidr also address the mistake that many of you have made by just looking at one verse and not looking at other verses in other parts of the Qur'aan to put the context together like 5 Salaat. 11114 mentions 3 Salaat times. I do not know about u guys sometimes.
so do u believe Allah authorized 2 or 3 or 5 Salaat in the qur'aan?
Selaam all,
No_shirk you said
This is your quote ?To me 2458 is the only verse that maps out Salaat times?
And that is the problem you guys are funny Muslims, you think all the salaat periods are mentioned in that verse. Brother Khidr already addressed that. Here is what he said in one of his post he wrote to you.
Funny Muslims!!, keep on mocking brother!!! Note how you are trying to say that he addressed my question but he didn't. That excerpt only addressed the fact that infos are scattered throughout the Quran and I agree with that. So, why don't you answer that simple question of mine but bring another embelished post just to avoid answering. Can it be any clearer than this?
First private time Salaat --- intermingle ---2nd private time is when we return --- intermingle --- 3rd private time Salaat. Those required asks for permition to enter the room before one is doing the Salaat, then after Salaat one either intermingles with them or they come and intermingle with him/her and if one goes outside to attend to business or whatever then when returning this is another private time no mention of Salaat here, - (remember God does not run out of words He could have easely said Salaat here but He didn't) - after this private time one either goes and intermingles with them or they come and intermingle with him/her and again the third time for them to ask for permition is after Salaat. Very clear indeed?Peace brothers
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Salaam Enquirer
I see what you are saying about age and everything. but for me when it comes to practising Salaat. I don't want works for me becuase I believe that Allah knows what works. So when i study the Qur'aan i am in the frame of mind to seek out how Allah wants us to observe salaat and not how i want it. Sometimes with human nature we may want 1 Salaat even though Allah told us that we have to observe or do more. I am here to submit to Allah so for me i want to know His way on how I should submit. Thats my pholisphy. Salaam
Peace no_shirk. I respect your post about age,i am not saying that every older person is automatically more knowledgeable/wiser than a younger one....But i am saying that i respect those who have some real life-experience regarding what they are saying....Not just people quoting books or intellectualising academically on the seat of their pants,with no real research...You know its easy to claim this and that number of salats is better,more effective or has more legitimacy by quoting different verses or academics.....I suggest trying which number and method of prayer/meditation/salat/pondering practically suits an individual best,and which method produces results in terms of effective/peaceful/productive behaviour for a given individual....I know many people who pray 5 times a day and are pretty much horrible people..... (the taliban,bin laden and other less extreme examples are widespread in society,just join a mosque and see the behaviour of some people. ) So my answer is do whatever changes OUR behaviour for the better,even if we have to resort to zen meditation or anger management... elektro muscle handshake peace
ps; also,why the need for one number/one size fits all methods and numbers of prayers? We are all individuals,and what works for me may not work for you,and vice versa....We all have to eat food,yes,but the same type and the same number of meals every day??!! Maybe prayer once a day works best for some people...? -
Peace
if i was phoenix i would change my name into massive online terrorist until something better came up rotfl
sorry i couldn't let this one pass by
elke
bravo bravo bravo
rotfl rotfl rotflI can hardly describe how delighted I am to see the discreet panicky pandemonium this word "terror" has created out here. The barrage of these prompt and hurried replies (in this and other threads), frantically scrambling to change user names yet again, and trying to sound casual & uniquely funny only asserts my point still further. After all, guilty conscience always pricks .. and the best way to defuse it to make light of it. Of course everyone knows that, but what a way to fight a losing battle!
As for 'enquirer' .. I saw at a glance some response posted by him. Needless to say, I neither have the time nor the inclination to read his kind of bunkum. I'd only say .. you've now got a good chance to get into business. You could be a suitable successor of Red Buttons.
Thanks to the little terror dunces for this stupendous 'entertainment.' I knew my posts would create a furore, but not such a big one .. and so much to my amusement!! yay
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zainab, if you hate us sooooooooo much, why do you even visit this forum?
LOL rotfl that's it! He's run out of gas .. could think of nothing more to say so asking me why I visit here ... that's always been manure's smelly and beaten track. His tantrums don't last for long.
Well .. I visit this forum because in order to know what ignorance is, one has to study it. Not that it's any of your blooming business nor that of your cronies where I visit ..
But when did I ever say I 'hated' anyone? Again, the guilty conscience pops out of the sub-conscious ..
Much to the contrary, I complimented people for cheering me up.
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That remark made me spill my drink
=adley=Ooops! I didn't mean to scare you that much ..
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I see what you are saying about age and everything. but for me when it comes to practising Salaat. I don't want works for me becuase I believe that Allah knows what works. So when i study the Qur'aan i am in the frame of mind to seek out how Allah wants us to observe salaat and not how i want it. Sometimes with human nature we may want 1 Salaat even though Allah told us that we have to observe or do more. I am here to submit to Allah so for me i want to know His way on how I should submit. Thats my pholisphy. Salaam
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That was very well put, no_shirk ..
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Salaam massive online terrorist
Why are u so worried about Zainab visiting the forum. This forum is for all free-minds. Do u make those statements to other where there is debate/disagreement to or is your comment personal to Zainab?
zainab, if you hate us sooooooooo much, why do you even visit this forum?
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peace
my comment to zainab was based on what she's been posting on this thread. It's one insult after another. A large majority of her posts are about how stupid people at FM are. My question was, why waste your time here, when you get nothing out of it?
anyway, zainab addressed my post, so it's the case is closed.
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peace
my comment to zainab was based on what she's been posting on this thread. It's one insult after another. A large majority of her posts are about how stupid people at FM are. My question was, why waste your time here, when you get nothing out of it?
anyway, zainab addressed my post, so it's the case is closed.
peaceThat's better .. if your poor sporting spirit and insufficient perception makes it difficult for you to cope with my rejoinders (simple as they are, which you refer to as "insults", you might as well 'close' the 'case.' Perhaps now it might be clearer to you why I talk about 'stupidity' out here.
Of course, needless to say .. if I do actually use 'insults,' the "terrors" use it too, and much more. They also use physical threats.
Also, I'll say again, and as many times as I deem proper .. insults are harmless, never a violation of rights or security. But physical threats come in the category of an offence according to law. Defending it only makes matters worse.
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Salaam To The Self Appointed Massive Online Terrorist aka phoenix1
Your observations of Zainab are bias because I can literally quote your comrades in this thread alone and many other threads including the threads that Zainab started where they attacked her, where the tough guys ganged up on her and used words that were not so nice. So your complaint is bias and u also made the same complaint about myself. Sister Zainab is a strong woman and she is in here debating with men and I take my hat off to her for that. She can intellectual debate and exchange the same level of blows that your comrades have dished out to her.
Salaam
peace
my comment to zainab was based on what she's been posting on this thread. It's one insult after another. A large majority of her posts are about how stupid people at FM are. My question was, why waste your time here, when you get nothing out of it?
anyway, zainab addressed my post, so it's the case is closed.
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Salaam.
Zainab is the most intelligent person here on this forum among the sisters. I think that those guys who attack her are only jealous and maybe even intimidated by her wisdom and excellent personality.
I know this is true, because when i was in 4th grade, i remember the two most intelligent girls always had As, best grades, best answers, they were the best students and i was always admiring them but only from the distance. I knew that i couldn't compete with them, so at least i stayed away from them.
Now, i have the Qur'an and i can, Thank Allah Most merciful, approach them and recognise them. Earlier, when i was a sunni and prayed 5 times a day, i only followed the crowd of sunnis and did what they did and kept quiet.
Not anymore. I have my own brain and i'm using it.
Word of advice if you can't compete with Zainab, and you can't, either change the subject, go talk to someone else, forum is big or better, don't talk. Because not talking is better than insulting. Your insults only hurt yourself.Zainab, keep up the good work, sister and stay strong.
May Allah Most Merciful reward you with paradise, sister.Salaam. jedi
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This thread has gone OT since quite some time now. I apologise for not reading it sooner. Please start another thread in this section if one wishes to continue. This will be a fresh start so please keep it clean and on topic. Thanks.
