Translation of `Jinn`
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Just to annoy you Danish I will stay around...
You mean by your Islamic fatwah driven way? Oooh gee I am all of sudden scared for I might become an apostate ready to get slaughtered. But don't worry, Allah will take care of me ).
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Danish,
Maybe you are possessed by a Jinn devil without knowing it. You might consider exorcism or psychiatric treatment
Nabster outFor a minute I thought you were a 'walking quran'. But now I am certain that you are also a 'talking quran' and I am positive that you aren't a 'listening quran'.
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Peace be upon you Nabster,
idolfree1, you are a confused muslim
May The God guide youYou say I am confused because I do not subscribe to the belief that there are ghosts flying around and marrying human beings? I see.
Well I respond to you with Peace. Hopefully one day you will understand that religion is really about psychology, about behavior shaping, not stories of beings you will never encounter in your life.
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Peace
btw I am currently afflicted with a nasty illness and I would love a miracle to heal me...
You see miracles can give hope.
Besides, my discourse with you would be similar to one with a person who does not believe in God, I have been told how could I believe that there is such a being as a God who cares about little human affairs and who bothers to send prophets and messengers and who is so close to human affairs, many scientist colleagues ask me such questions, they consider belief in God itself, especially a God bothering to communicate with humans, and they never see as being superstitious and grossly naive. Now if I tell them about the Higher Signs in the Quran, they might call an ambulance to take me to a psychiatric ward. In fact you could be demoted if you get carried away talking about such matters in some scientific circles. For many scientists God's existence is like UFO conspiracy...
NabsterYour definitely and desperately need your Allah to help you out, not miracles. Perhaps HE chose the wrong "walking and talking quran". As far as I am concerned, I never said that I disbelieve in GOD and neither have I ever said that I disbelieve in Quran. Do you understand that? Perhaps not, because, as I mentioned earlier, you are not a "listening quran".
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Danish you are too complex for me...
PeaceI am just an ordinary human being dude, trying to understand life and reality in various perspectives.
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Peace be upon you,
Question- Why are men and stones fuel for hellfire and not "jinn"?
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Peace be upon you Nabster,
Just an idea
Can water be fuel for a fire, no.
Maybe because of their different composition.Jinn are made from fire. If you are trying to incorrectly use the verse that all beings are made from water, then that would men that humans (also made from water) won't burn either. So lets do away with that foolishness. )
I know you dont like to think symbolically, but I ask you to think about water, fire and clay. Think about the potter. It stars with soil, water must be added in order to form it and shape it, and heat applied to it makes it STIFF/unable to be formed and shaped.
Water is likened to revelation, that which softens the heart for change.
Anyway, we can revisit that in another thread.
As for those who believe in Jinns as being fantasies, of course the question does not even present itself...
Sure it does, it is the fantasies that one makes up that becomes thier beliefs and hardens them to any change, and this message is about CHANGE of behavior.
Allah said He will fill Gehenna with both Jinns and Innss, so it will be intesting and fitting that humans and stones will be the fuel that is used to also punish the jinns
inns and jinns are two parts of a whole, the visable and invisable parts of the same thing. But when the talk of being burned comes about, you cannot burn that which is not visable. Jinn seems to be replaced with STONE. Isnt it fire that hardens the clay? Just think about it.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Laughter relives the tension of those who have no logical response. Just like those who passed by Nuh as he put all the pieces together. I am sure you will watse a whole page now on a post trying to drag us back to superstition. I'll grab my pillow.
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Peace Kyle,
I know you dont like to think symbolically, but I ask you to think about water, fire and clay. Think about the potter. It stars with soil, water must be added in order to form it and shape it, and heat applied to it makes it STIFF/unable to be formed and shaped.
Water is likened to revelation, that which softens the heart for change.
Poetry and symbolism is beautiful and takes great courage and intelligence to understand. Wonderfully said.
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Adding further to the above, now think about water, clay and heat mixing to become sticky substance clinging together to form a "shape" and then a "soul" is blown into it, thereby a generation of such "shapes" are started, from birth to adulthood and then its passing away. After their 'death', these "shapes" are reborn, hence the resurrection and the process continues. Reminds me of certain sentences in the Quran as eloquently narrated by some poets in veneration of these 'formed shapes'. Arabs were well known for their poetry which were later collected and written down by other entusiasts and later compiled to become part of a book called Quran.
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Danish my heart bleeds for you to see it led astray so very much.
I feel so very sorry for you to be incapable to accept the truth of the Quran...
You should not be haunting this forum, but hanging around some agnostic forums where you can spurt out your venom all your heart full.
God guides you out of the darkness you are drowned in...
Nabster outAnd I feel sorry for those who have called you a "walking quran" when you don't have any legs to stand on to.
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Peace be upon you Ahmed,
Laughter relives the tension of those who have no logical response. Just like those who passed by Nuh as he put all the pieces together. I am sure you will watse a whole page now on a post trying to drag us back to superstition. I'll grab my pillow.
Peace bro,
I'm not tensioned really, I was laughing at the nonsense you stated, and sure there will be no response to any nonsense posted here, do you think I will waste my time with Allah words manipulators?, well i always give them a chance first untill I know exactly what they are, then Profiler 2006 takes over
but really bro, i was not aware of your comment unttil i received an eamil from a member here telling me how wrong you are and even showed me the verse that refutes your nonsense and your conjectured allegations regarding the Quran and the Arabic language, no surprise your ignorance in Arabic is exposing your nensense fair and square
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And I feel sorry for those who have called you a "walking quran" when you don't have any legs to stand on to.
Hi
while the comment is not for me, I would like to add a comment, I would say a walking Quran is a metaphor, right?
man you see things on that this web site that really crack me laughing
are you going to debate me regarding the Quran or you don't have the energy to handle my extreme pressure?, LOL
Salam
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Let's have a break from this subject and read some wise words by Harun Yahya that truely describes many on this web site
Allah has revealed in detail the kind of moral values people should have and the kind of lives they should lead. True moral values dictate that one lives scrupulously by Allah?s commandments.
Some people, however, avoid living by these moral values. They are strongly unwilling to submit fully to His stipulations. But seek to establish a model that will satisfy their own desires. To that end, they come up with various rules and principles of their own, and imagine that religion should also be compatible with these principles. They are willing to live by religious moral values only as far as these are compatible with their own standards and logic. Yet this is a grave error and deception, because true religious moral values are those revealed by Allah, not as interpreted and lived by human beings.
Salam
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Excellent quote Bro Ahmed. All these metaphor arguments are a waste of time.
Allah gave examples for people to follow guidance, and they find all kinds of excuses to pretend they understand differently what is plain and clear, so that they can do what they wish... And Allah knows the tricks of humans... Closer to us than our "habl alwarid", and He knows what our nafs whispers to us...
PeaceSalam mate,
The Quran told us about those bro, and you feel that the message is for those who believe heart and soul in the Quran as the true and unchanged words of Allah
43- Have you seen him who takes his desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him?
44- Or do you think that most of them do hear or understand? They are nothing but as cattle; nay, they are straying farther off from the path.
(43)
(44)-> Now if they have a problem with the above, I guess they should take it directly to its Author when you give account if they believe they will ever give one, but I guess if they believe there is no account then they should not worry about anything and continue their eternal path of learning in this so called eternal life.
But I have to convey to them, that the same warning was repeated
Then seest thou such a one as takes as his god his own vain desire? Allah has, knowing (him as such), left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight. Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)? Will ye not then receive admonition?
(23)
-> Please pay much attention to ? left him astray, and sealed his hearing and his heart (and understanding), and put a cover on his sight Who, then, will guide him after Allah (has withdrawn Guidance)??, well, I guess this is what you expect from Allah for them after they insist on rejecting/manipulating the Quran as the last message and warning from our One and Only God, or do you think they deserve to be guided?
-> They do not be upset with the ones like us because as they know that I?m one who believes spiritually and physically that the Quran is the exact and preserved words of Allah, and because I believe in it as many do, they can?t really be upset with me. I?m not upset with them, I just conveye the Quran message to the public that clearly refute their nonsense
Salam mate
PS , for the people who has good morals and don?t believe in the Quran, I?m sorry for them, Allah told us in the Quran that the belief in the Quran is a requirement along with the good morals
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Peace be upon you,
Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.
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Peace be upon you,
Well, I guess to you your fairy tale ghosts which can never be verified, and to me the hidden thoughts/fantasies which are verified by every single human at all times.
Peace
Now it is your turn to inform us how every human verified that Jinn are our egos
Salam
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Peace Nabster, all,
You stated
May God leads us away from any dangerous nonsense...
I find it fascinating that folks such as yourself can label these understandings as dangerous nonsense and yet uphold the understanding that invisible creatures are roaming the Earth.
Further, you belittle the idea of "God being in and part of everything", yet offer no explanation to "And to God belongs the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is God?s presence."
Is that a metaphor?
5016 And We have created man and We know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than his jugular vein.
How about that one? Is it a metaphor or is God literally closer to us than the jugular vein? If it's a metaphor, then how do you explain it, and what gave you the authority to see it as a metaphor? If not, then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?
Peace,
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peace tay
then God is certainly in and part of everything, right?
this metaphor is about God's omnipresence not that he's necessarily in and part of everything (could be, couldn't be) its not my place to assume that w/o 100% knowledge (no shot directed at you dear brother) Of course i can be very wrong
God bless