Personality types exemplified in the Qur'an

Tay

Peace all,

In reading through some old threads, I stumbled upon this, from Layth

Abraham's analysis of the sun and moon and planet to find God is addressing the rational and logical type of people.
Jesus is addressing the medical ills with immediate cures (even death) is baffeling to a medical inspired people.
Moses having a staff which turns into a serpent as well as the other signs were meant for a paranormal/magic inspired people.
Mohammed adresses a physical type of community who believe in military victories and warfare.

I would further specify the personality types as follows

Abraham exemplified scientist/mathematician-type, logic based
Jesus exemplified spiritual type
Moses exemplified mystical type
Muhammad exemplified judicial/political type

I read, a while back (and I don't recall the source), that these messengers came with these personality types to address the common social climate of their respective times, as Layth expressed above. I feel that this may be the case, but also, that people of all times will probably fall into one or more of the 4 categories and hence, find it easy to relate to one or more of these messengers.

I'm interested in all thoughts regarding the differences and/or similarities of these 4 main messengers.

Peace,
Tay

arnoldyasin

Peace,

I don't agree with this approach. Sunni's also say this. The thing is that in Abraham's time to Muhammed's time there was as much need for spirituality, science as judicial/government knowledge. Jesus didn't heal medical sickness, the exact same words are used for the rejectors being blind, deaf and even dead. The story about Abraham is only in his beginning phase as a person who sought God. Muhammed will probably have made the same journey and other prophet's as well. Abraham was made a prophet after he found God through his rational thinking. Moses argued with the pharoah about the same things as Abraham did with the king. Moses also went on a journey to understand more, just like Abraham did the same thing. Just like Jonah had his journey, Noah his and so on. Of course you can learn from these stories and see types of persons in them. Like Jonah first flees from his duties and learns he cannot outrun God. The psychological types are really deep and still misunderstood a lot of times, just like the valley of Tuwa, litteraly means the hidden narrow road that is (wrapped) within.

I wouldn't specify them into these 4 categories, as they represent phases of these persons, which i believe they almost all went through. What you can do is make a list of experiences and what psychological factors are shown here. You cannot say Abraham represents this and Muhammed is that. It is rather this phase of Abraham represents this, Jonah's experience represents that, so make a list of experiences. Not of persons. I believe then you will have a beautifull and excilorating list.

Peace

unknownuser

Abraham's analysis of the sun and moon and planet to find God is addressing the rational and logical type of people.
Jesus is addressing the medical ills with immediate cures (even death) is baffeling to a medical inspired people.
Moses having a staff which turns into a serpent as well as the other signs were meant for a paranormal/magic inspired people.
Mohammed adresses a physical type of community who believe in military victories and warfare.

Personally, I believe all the above mentioned including other "prophets" were simply mystical and philosophical in their perceptions of life and nature, visioning an entity/deity, big and small and in shapes, sizes and colors, of some sort. For instance, take the example of Abraham. He watched the sun, the moon, the stars, all vanishing before him and then rising again, day in and day out. But he witnessed "one Supreme GOD" who was omnipresent, omniscience, all powerful, most mericful, everlasting, etc. etc. When one deeply studies these attributes of an envisioned Almighty GOD via an entity/deity as its absoluteness, everything falls apart and becomes meaningless.

Tay

Peace Arnold, Danish, all,

Arnold, I agree with most of your thoughts. Particularly, you mentioned

Of course you can learn from these stories and see types of persons in them.

That's my position at this time.

What you can do is make a list of experiences and what psychological factors are shown here. You cannot say Abraham represents this and Muhammed is that. It is rather this phase of Abraham represents this, Jonah's experience represents that, so make a list of experiences.

The only problem is, we aren't told of many phases of each character. I understand what you're saying, in that they each probably went through a similar process. However, the complete processes are not laid out for us, I gather, rather purposefully.

So, if all we know about Abraham is "x", then we can say the story of Abraham represents "x". We don't have to include other factors that weren't mentioned, especially since the very existence of these people is not certain.

Nevertheless, perhaps we're splitting hairs. I do agree that a list of behaviors/experiences and their relationship to the human psyche is certainly worthwhile.

Danish,
I understand your belief in the first part of your post, but the second part has me a little confused

But he witnessed "one Supreme GOD" who was omnipresent, omniscience, all powerful, most mericful, everlasting, etc. etc. When one deeply studies these attributes of an envisioned Almighty GOD via an entity/deity as its absoluteness, everything falls apart and becomes meaningless.

Could you please elaborate?

Thanks, and peace,
Tay

unknownuser

Peace Tay,

I have been occupied with various commitments these days including watching Wimbledon with keen interest and therefore this late reply.

Danish,
I understand your belief in the first part of your post, but the second part has me a little confused

But he witnessed "one Supreme GOD" who was omnipresent, omniscience, all powerful, most mericful, everlasting, etc. etc. When one deeply studies these attributes of an envisioned Almighty GOD via an entity/deity as its absoluteness, everything falls apart and becomes meaningless.

Could you please elaborate?

The answer to this is not a simple one and requires a lengthy dose of information such as understanding the concept of GOD, the historicity and emergence of Islam from its primitive stage and the combined exegesis of internal and external relevancy of Quran. All this can be viewed, exercised and reasoned from historical, analyical and scientific approach. My suggestion would be to thoroughly research, study and understand, simply by googling, the the world of information available via multitude of relevant website links to ponder upon from all angles. If you'd like, we can discuss the concept of GOD to begin with and gradually elevate to furtherance your concerns. Afterall, the matters of result will tie in to the tenacity of ones' understanding, ofcourse. Regards.

truth

The answer to this is not a simple one and requires a lengthy dose of information such as understanding the concept of GOD, the historicity and emergence of Islam from its primitive stage and the combined exegesis of internal and external relevancy of Quran. All this can be viewed, exercised and reasoned from historical, analyical and scientific approach. My suggestion would be to thoroughly research, study and understand, simply by googling, the the world of information available via multitude of relevant website links to ponder upon from all angles. If you'd like, we can discuss the concept of GOD to begin with and gradually elevate to furtherance your concerns. Afterall, the matters of result will tie in to the tenacity of ones' understanding, ofcourse. Regards.

Your replies are demonstrating disordered thought. There are so many errors of spelling, grammar and expression in that reply; together with a lack of organisation, that it is effectively meaningless.

unknownuser

The answer to this is not a simple one and requires a lengthy dose of information such as understanding the concept of GOD, the historicity and emergence of Islam from its primitive stage and the combined exegesis of internal and external relevancy of Quran. All this can be viewed, exercised and reasoned from historical, analyical and scientific approach. My suggestion would be to thoroughly research, study and understand, simply by googling, the the world of information available via multitude of relevant website links to ponder upon from all angles. If you'd like, we can discuss the concept of GOD to begin with and gradually elevate to furtherance your concerns. Afterall, the matters of result will tie in to the tenacity of ones' understanding, ofcourse. Regards.

Your replies are demonstrating disordered thought. There are so many errors of spelling, grammar and expression in that reply; together with a lack of organisation, that it is effectively meaningless.

Ah, just like your alleged Allah's words. Dwell on substance, not typos. Besides, the relevance is directed to Tay, not you. Is your real name 'truth' or simply a myth (a fairy tale)?

Tay

Peace Danish,

Thanks for clarifying.
As far as the history and veracity of qur'an/islam is concerned, believe me, I didn't just get off the bus at the dogma stop. My journey started with sunnism, then agnosticism up until fairly recently. Even now, I would call myself more of am "panentheist" than a muslim, per se.

Panentheism (Greek words ( 'pan' ) =all, en=in and Theos=God; "all-in-God&quot is the view that God is immanent within all Creation or that God is the animating force behind the universe. Unlike pantheism, panentheism does not mean that the universe is synonymous with God. Instead, it holds that there is more to God than the material universe. In panentheism, God maintains a transcendent character, and is viewed as both the creator and the original source of universal morality. The term is closely associated with the Logos of Hellenistic philosophy in the works of Herakleitos, which pervades the cosmos and whereby all things were made.

Anyway, that being said, my accountability is my own, and thus, I'm in no hurry to reach a conclusion on the concepts that I'm not 100% convinced of. My opinion is that a scripture inspired by the eternal source would certainly contain multiple levels of understanding for the multiple levels of human intelligence. If everything was spelled out like a children's book, I probably would have left it behind years ago.

My understanding is that Muhammad, or whomever, was a person highly in tune with the eternal source, and received inspiration whenever that channel was turned on, most likely via meditation. This inspiration was either recited to scribes or written down immediately, and most likely, sporadically.

History bears no weight in my reaching this conclusion. It is stricly subjective, as my own experiences with elevated states of consciousness have confirmed this in total, coupled with the guidance I've personally found via al-qur'an. Whether there are additions or subtractions to the scripture is not something I can confirm yet, and I would not rely on history as the criterion for drawing a conclusion.

The proof is in the pudding, and I haven't finished my serving

Peace,
Tay

phoenix1

My understanding is that Muhammad, or whomever, was a person highly in tune with the eternal source, and received inspiration whenever that channel was turned on, most likely via meditation. This inspiration was either recited to scribes or written down immediately, and most likely, sporadically.

That's my 'hypothesis' as well. It's the only thing that makes sense.

unknownuser

Peace Tay,

My opinion is that a scripture inspired by the eternal source would certainly contain multiple levels of understanding for the multiple levels of human intelligence. If everything was spelled out like a children's book, I probably would have left it behind years ago.

My understanding is that Muhammad, or whomever, was a person highly in tune with the eternal source, and received inspiration whenever that channel was turned on, most likely via meditation. This inspiration was either recited to scribes or written down immediately, and most likely, sporadically.

What eternal source are you talking about and what does "Muhammad or whomever" know anything about this "eternal source"? Has any human, as far as we can remember, witnessed/seen or even heard of/from GOD?

History bears no weight in my reaching this conclusion.

Quran itself is a "history book".

Tay

Peace Danish,

What eternal source are you talking about

Bro, you know what I'm talking about - you qualified it in your last sentence.

what does "Muhammad or whomever" know anything about this "eternal source"?

Like I said, history bears no weight in my reaching this conclusion.

Has any human, as far as we can remember, witnessed/seen or even heard of/from GOD?

I'm in no position to say.

Danish, I've always respected you and your thoughts. I'm not sure what catalyzed you to switch gears but I cast no judgement. We all need to find our own peace of mind and I have no problem with anyone's choice of path so long as it doesn't obstruct mine. That being said, I have no desire to debate these concepts with you. I was simply expressing why/how I've reached this point in my life, and this because you asked me to research some basic concepts which, by asking, insinuated that you thought I hadn't already.

Peace,
Tay