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Does the Quran ever refer to its Verses?

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    unknownuser
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    Hello

    Aya means sign but Allah used it to indicate the verses as well, this was obvious from the context of these verses

    this makes sense because every verse is considered a sign from Him, "He is the only one who said it, right?"

    so in the quran the word means Sign and is used in many locations to indicate the Quran verses "The context will control that"

    Salam

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      Peace Phoenix

      To the best of my knowledge, people infer that each verse in the quran is an AYA (meaning miracle/sign). And so people just started calling them ayat with a number added on the end for easy reference. it's just an easy way to refer to what you want to say about the quran.

      And now I'm just guessing... but perhaps people assumed God meant that each verse is an aya because after each verse that has letters, God states they are ayat in the book.
      Example

      Alif Lam Ra, these are the Ayats of the Book of Wisdom.

      Maybe people back then couldn't understand the significance of these letters and just assumed God is referring to verses in the book rather than a miracle unknown to man at that time. I could be way off on this though, I'm only guessing.

      Peace All

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        phoenix1
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        peae S2S, all

        Maybe book of wisdom (al kitab) means universal law (which is the source of all scriptures). So Ayahs would be signs in the universal law. That's what I was thinking. I just don't know whether they also refer to the Quran (the book itself).

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          unknownuser
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          Peace be upon you Pheonix,

          Lets think back to the beginning of this 114 chapter book. Did it fall from the sky, or was it INSPIRED? Once you ponder on that you will see that there was no physical book with verses to refer to ) The discussion of this message is the Universal Laws which all people can "read" at all times in any place.

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            phoenix1
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            peace Kyle,

            I understand that, but doesn't the quran refer to itself. Doesn't it desribe "quran" somewhere in the book?
            that's what i'm confused about.
            What exactly is the Quran?

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              Peace be upon you,

              "Quran"= reading/proclamation/teaching

              When you bring teaching to some, they say "bring a "quran" other than this. They dont want to hear the truth.

              That which we extract/understand from the Universal Laws(Al Kitaab) we must proclaim/teach to others.

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                phoenix1
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                peace

                So "Quran" refers to the truth? because we teach, or we should teach, everyone the truth?

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                  unknownuser
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                  Peace be upon you,

                  No, not equal to truth because the rejectors say bring a "quran" other than this. So "quran" is just "teaching/reading/proclamation", wether true or false.

                  So we have to study all "quran" carefully to see if what we are being given has contradictions in life or if it can be verified in life, that is how we know if it is God's quran(HAQQ/TRUTH) or not.

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                    phoenix1
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                    peace

                    What do you think about the "challenge?"

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                      warner
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                      Peace be upon you All

                      I made a mistake in the above post, so let me post it again with the correction.

                      I read somewhere every time the word Ayat is used in the plural form it refer to verses in the Quraan and in singular it refer to a sign. I could not check everytime the word was used but the ones I checked seem to to be correct. I may be wrong here .

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                        warner
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                        Peace Idolfree

                        What exactly are the Universal Laws you refer to ?

                        Thank you

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                          unknownuser
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                          Peace be upon you,

                          What do you think about the "challenge?"

                          The "challenge" is to bring a sign(ayat) like it or a structure (surah) like it, meaning can you create a world or any of the signs in it, like a fly for example. No, we can do no such thing. We dont even have the materials to begin such a task.

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                            Peace be upon you,

                            What exactly are the Universal Laws you refer to ?

                            An example is that you reap what you sow. We can verify this by seeing that whatever thoughts we put into our subconcious, that we wil reap that type of behavior. Just as when we put tomato seeds in the soil we rerap tomatoes. It is a LAW of the universe, just like the urge to unite with others, which also manifests as gravity.

                            Al Kitaab, the book, which implies the universe that we must read/understand, can be read by all people, regardless of religion, race, location, etc. No excuses for anyone.

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