The scorching full-moon (shahr ramadan) is here
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Peace all,
I went out tonight (July 10th, 2006), witnessed it and took a few pictures
http//img139.imageshack.us/img139/3569/moonfar5ay.jpg
http//img48.imageshack.us/img48/6536/moonclose2zq.jpg
Please remember that we are not looking for when the full moon precisely occur. We are looking for the day with the maximum percent illumination when the moon rises. This appearance of the red moon is what we are to witness. When I checked the data between Washington DC, London and Cairo, I found it highly consistent. Here is the data for all three cities for both July 10 and 11 (starting from the time the moon rises until midnight)
Data from http//aa.usno.navy.mil/
July 10, 2006 for Washington DC
TIME ELEVATION AZIMUTH FRACTION ILLUMINATED
2000 1.2 127.5 1.00
2010 2.5 129.1 1.00
2020 3.9 130.6 1.00
2030 5.3 132.2 1.00
2040 6.6 133.9 1.00
2050 8.0 135.6 1.00
2100 9.3 137.3 1.00
2110 10.5 139.1 1.00
2120 11.7 140.9 1.00
2130 12.9 142.7 1.00
2140 14.0 144.6 1.00
2150 15.1 146.5 1.00
2200 16.1 148.5 1.00
2210 17.1 150.5 1.00
2220 18.0 152.5 1.00
2230 18.8 154.6 1.00
2240 19.6 156.7 1.00
2250 20.3 158.9 1.00
2300 21.0 161.0 1.00
2310 21.6 163.3 1.00
2320 22.1 165.5 1.00
2330 22.6 167.8 1.00
2340 22.9 170.1 1.00
2350 23.2 172.4 1.00July 11, 2006 for Washington DC
2040 0.4 122.0 0.99
2050 1.9 123.5 0.99
2100 3.3 125.0 0.99
2110 4.8 126.6 0.99
2120 6.3 128.2 0.99
2130 7.7 129.9 0.99
2140 9.2 131.6 0.99
2150 10.6 133.3 0.99
2200 11.9 135.1 0.98
2210 13.2 136.9 0.98
2220 14.5 138.7 0.98
2230 15.8 140.6 0.98
2240 16.9 142.6 0.98
2250 18.1 144.6 0.98
2300 19.2 146.6 0.98
2310 20.2 148.7 0.98
2320 21.2 150.8 0.98
2330 22.1 153.0 0.98
2340 22.9 155.2 0.98
2350 23.7 157.5 0.98July 10 Data for London
2050 0.6 140.4 1.00
2100 1.4 142.4 1.00
2110 2.2 144.3 1.00
2120 3.0 146.2 1.00
2130 3.8 148.2 1.00
2140 4.5 150.2 1.00
2150 5.2 152.2 1.00
2200 5.9 154.2 1.00
2210 6.5 156.3 1.00
2220 7.1 158.4 1.00
2230 7.6 160.4 1.00
2240 8.1 162.5 1.00
2250 8.5 164.7 1.00
2300 8.9 166.8 1.00
2310 9.2 168.9 1.00
2320 9.5 171.1 1.00
2330 9.7 173.2 1.00
2340 9.9 175.4 1.00
2350 10.0 177.6 1.00July 11 Data for London
2120 0.1 133.1 0.99
2130 1.0 135.0 0.99
2140 2.0 136.9 0.99
2150 2.9 138.8 0.99
2200 3.9 140.8 0.99
2210 4.8 142.8 0.99
2220 5.7 144.8 0.99
2230 6.5 146.8 0.99
2240 7.3 148.9 0.99
2250 8.1 150.9 0.99
2300 8.8 153.0 0.99
2310 9.4 155.1 0.99
2320 10.1 157.3 0.99
2330 10.6 159.4 0.99
2340 11.1 161.6 0.99
2350 11.6 163.8 0.99Cairo July 10 data
1900 1.2 123.7 1.00
1910 2.8 125.0 1.00
1920 4.4 126.2 1.00
1930 6.1 127.6 1.00
1940 7.7 128.9 1.00
1950 9.3 130.3 1.00
2000 10.8 131.8 1.00
2010 12.4 133.3 1.00
2020 13.9 134.8 1.00
2030 15.3 136.4 1.00
2040 16.8 138.1 1.00
2050 18.1 139.8 1.00
2100 19.5 141.6 1.00
2110 20.7 143.4 1.00
2120 22.0 145.3 1.00
2130 23.1 147.2 1.00
2140 24.2 149.2 1.00
2150 25.3 151.2 1.00
2200 26.3 153.4 1.00
2210 27.2 155.5 1.00
2220 28.0 157.8 1.00
2230 28.8 160.0 1.00
2240 29.5 162.4 1.00
2250 30.1 164.7 1.00
2300 30.6 167.1 1.00
2310 31.0 169.6 1.00
2320 31.4 172.1 1.00
2330 31.7 174.6 1.00
2340 31.8 177.1 1.00
2350 31.9 179.6 1.00Cairo July 11 data
1950 0.8 120.0 0.99
2000 2.4 121.2 0.99
2010 4.1 122.5 0.99
2020 5.8 123.8 0.99
2030 7.5 125.1 0.99
2040 9.2 126.5 0.99
2050 10.9 127.9 0.99
2100 12.5 129.4 0.99
2110 14.1 130.9 0.99
2120 15.7 132.5 0.99
2130 17.2 134.1 0.99
2140 18.7 135.8 0.99
2150 20.2 137.6 0.99
2200 21.6 139.4 0.99
2210 22.9 141.2 0.99
2220 24.2 143.2 0.99
2230 25.5 145.2 0.99
2240 26.7 147.2 0.99
2250 27.8 149.3 0.99
2300 28.8 151.5 0.99
2310 29.8 153.8 0.99
2320 30.7 156.1 0.99
2330 31.6 158.5 0.99
2340 32.3 161.0 0.99
2350 33.0 163.5 0.99Please notice that when the moon rises on July 10th it is consistently 100% illuminated in all three cities. The difference between 99% and 100% illumination is not that noticebale. However what is very noticeable in that on July 10th it consistently follows a lower path accross the horizon in all three cities and thus will appear redder (scorching) and more dramatic in all three cities than July 11. So July 10 and not July 11 is the night of the scorching full-moon ("shahr ramadan".
So the fast should start on July 11 and last for 10 days, i.e. until July 20.
Peace and all best wishes,
Ayman
PS To moderators, please feel free to move this post to the "ramadan/fasting" section after a few days when everyone has taken note.
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Peace ayman,
Do you know how I can find out the percent illumination for Austin, Texas. I went to the site you included but the per-city report doesnt include illumination data as far as I can tell.
The moon doesnt look as red and scorched as the pics you provided, here in Austin. So I'm wondering if it won't be 100% illumination until tomorrow night.
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Salam Ayman,
I will start off from where you and I agree, and that is on the 10 day fast period.
I am trying to look into the
scortchingaspect of the moon that you have spoken of to see if it is a) verifiable, b) consistent.Can you please share the background that brought you to this conclusion?
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As salamu alaykum.
Respectfully.I totally forgot.
Can somebody tell me when does the Ramadan starts in Slovenia, because last night and the night before last, i saw a full moon and she was fully white.If anyone sees this post, i'd really appreicate it, if you can tell me when is it time to fast in Slovenia, because i was talking to Arnoldyasin about this and we're still calculating stuff, so please, brothers, sisters, hurry up.
Thank you.
May Allah Most Merciful reward you with Eden.
As salamu alaykum. -
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Peace all
all that i know is that right now we have over 40 degr? celsius around here... and that god tells us that he doesn't want any hardship in religion !
lkSalaam.
Yes, i have to say, i agree with you Elke, Allah Most Powerful does not want any hardship on us but there is still one more question that i have I was told Ramadan means the hottest month and that we have to fast during the hottest month, that is, the Ramadan, but how will i fast when Ramadan, the hottest month, is in December???????
Salaam.
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Peace
Doing it in the hottest months is the natural equalent of a finnish sauna. You sweat buckets, and get filth out of the body. Then you go out get cooled down, drink and prepare for sweating buckets all over again. I dont know the scriptural reasons, but from a health perspective it makes a lot of sense when you are are an overweight westerner. ;D
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Peace
Doing it in the hottest months is the natural equalent of a finnish sauna. You sweat buckets, and get filth out of the body. Then you go out get cooled down, drink and prepare for sweating buckets all over again. I dont know the scriptural reasons, but from a health perspective it makes a lot of sense when you are are an overweight westerner. ;DSalaam.
Than i love Ramadan even more! See, since i got back from the Frisco, i kinda gained two kilos and i think Ramadan will help me to lose a few extra kilos so i can fly faster. ;D
Salaam. jedi
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Peace CD,
Do you know how I can find out the percent illumination for Austin, Texas. I went to the site you included but the per-city report doesnt include illumination data as far as I can tell.
You need to make sure that the Moon radio button is checked. Here is the data
July 10 data for Austin, TX
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction
(E of N) Illuminated
1950 0.4 122.2 1.00
2000 1.9 123.5 1.00
2010 3.6 124.7 1.00
2020 5.2 126.0 1.00
2030 6.8 127.4 1.00
2040 8.5 128.8 1.00
2050 10.1 130.2 1.00
2100 11.6 131.7 1.00
2110 13.2 133.2 1.00
2120 14.7 134.8 1.00
2130 16.1 136.4 1.00
2140 17.6 138.1 1.00
2150 18.9 139.8 1.00
2200 20.3 141.6 1.00
2210 21.5 143.5 1.00
2220 22.8 145.4 1.00
2230 23.9 147.4 1.00
2240 25.0 149.4 1.00
2250 26.1 151.5 1.00
2300 27.1 153.6 1.00
2310 28.0 155.8 1.00
2320 28.8 158.1 1.00
2330 29.6 160.4 1.00
2340 30.2 162.8 1.00
2350 30.8 165.2 1.00July 11 data for Austin, TX
2040 0.4 118.1 0.99
2050 2.0 119.3 0.99
2100 3.7 120.6 0.98
2110 5.5 121.8 0.98
2120 7.2 123.2 0.98
2130 8.9 124.5 0.98
2140 10.6 126.0 0.98
2150 12.3 127.4 0.98
2200 13.9 128.9 0.98
2210 15.6 130.5 0.98
2220 17.1 132.1 0.98
2230 18.7 133.8 0.98
2240 20.2 135.5 0.98
2250 21.6 137.3 0.98
2300 23.1 139.1 0.98
2310 24.4 141.1 0.98
2320 25.7 143.1 0.98
2330 27.0 145.1 0.98
2340 28.2 147.2 0.98
2350 29.3 149.4 0.98Please note that the moon rises faster on July 11 than on July 10. So on July 10 the moon takes a lower path across the horizon. This lower path is what gives it the dramatic reddish color. This means that the full-moon will appear redder on July 10.
The moon doesnt look as red and scorched as the pics you provided, here in Austin. So I'm wondering if it won't be 100% illumination until tomorrow night.
The red color has to do with the altitude of the moon not with the percent illumination. This is due to light diffraction from dust in the atmosphere when the moon is low. So the full-moon taking a low path across the horizon is what gives it the red color. Around the summer solstice is the time of the year when the moon takes the lowest path across the horizon. If you look at the moon after say 10PM, it will appear whiter because it will be about 20 degrees above the horizon.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salam Layth,
First, let me apologize because I assumed that everyone who reads this post would have already read this article
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
I will start off from where you and I agree, and that is on the 10 day fast period.
We agree on much more than that. For example, we also agree that the year is solar.
I am trying to look into the
scortchingaspect of the moon that you have spoken of to see if it is a) verifiable, b) consistent.Anytime the moon is full, the sun and the moon are on opposite sides of the earth. Thus, if one is high in the sky, as the sun is around the summer solstice, the moon must be low. Of course, this is 100% consistent. So full moons that occur around the summer solstice are special because they follow the lowest path across the sky of all of the year's full moons.
The "scorching" aspect of the full moon occurs due to the same phenomenon that gives sunsets their red color. It is the scattering of light in the earth's dusty atmosphere close to the horizon. Thus, a full-moon that hangs lower across the horizon will appear and stay redder than one that quickly climbs to a higher altitude. Also, for some reason, our brains are wired to perceive such low hanging red full moons as much larger than normal. In addition, the red full-moon after the summer solstice is special because it occurs when the weather is starting to get very hot. Thus, the two aspects of "scorching" (the red color and heat) are associated with this particular full-moon.
Because of its color and appearance being associated with the hotter time of the year many ancient cultures had names for the full moon after the summer solstice such as hot moon, blood moon, red moon, etc. In a flat desert with its dusty atmosphere and very hot weather, this "scorching full moon" would have appeared very dramatic to the pre-quranic Arabs.
This is all easily verifiable by observing the full moon after the summer solstice when it appears. This is one of the easiest to witness attention-grabbing sights in the night sky.
Can you please share the background that brought you to this conclusion?
The background traces to the original research you did in this area. Your research pointed my attention to 1712, which indicated for certain that the year is solar. The passage also hints about how to use the sun to know the year. It hints that we know the year through the night and day. For example, the easiest way to measure the year is as the interval between shortest night/longest day and the next shortest night/longest day (summer solstice). We also know about the shadow being an indicator for the sun (2545). The summer solstice happens to be easier to pinpoint because it is also the time when the sun is highest and this is reflected in the shadow that it projects.
The other breakthrough came when I was debating with someone who advocates the traditional view of a lunar year and to support his position, he pointed out that one of the meanings of the word "shahr" is moon. I looked this up in Lisan Al3arab and indeed one of the meanings of "shahr" was "the moon when it is nearly full". As you know, the etymology of the word "shahr" indicates something obvious, something famous, something full-figured. For example, in Classical Arabic the word "shahira" actually means "a full-figured woman". So the etymology pointed very strongly to the meaning being "full-moon". Thus, "shahr ramadan" literally means "scorching full-moon".
You can see the complete background for the conclusion here
http//www.free-minds.org/articles/science/timing.htm
I hope this helps.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Allen,
Can somebody tell me when does the Ramadan starts in Slovenia, because last night and the night before last, i saw a full moon and she was fully white.
Regular full-moons rise very rapidly but the one after the summer solstice will take a low path across the horizon and thus will maintain its reddish color for a couple of hours after its appearance. You need to witness the scorching full-moon in the first couple of hours after its appearance while it is still low in the horizon.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Elke,
all that i know is that right now we have over 40 degr? celsius around here... and that god tells us that he doesn't want any hardship in religion !
Nobody has to fast, even if they can do it, if it is hard for them
002.184
YUSUFALI (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.The passage in 2184 actually says "for those who can tolerate it". Not "for those who can't tolerate it". This means that even if you are able to do it but have to tolerate difficulty, you can instead feed/provide for those that are deprived. Either way, you would be taking the steep path.
090.010
YUSUFALI And shown him the two highways?090.011
YUSUFALI But he hath made no haste on the path that is steep.090.012
YUSUFALI And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?-090.013
YUSUFALI (It is) freeing the bondman;090.014
YUSUFALI Or the giving of food in a day of privationNotice how the feeding/providing for the deprived is a steep path. So fasting is also supposed to be a steep path just like its substitute.
When I reached the understanding that it is the toughest part of the year regardless of where you are, this was actually in line with the message and was more confirmation that this was the correct understanding.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace ayman, thanks for the post.
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Peace,
I missed the day with the maximum percent illumination of the moon -[. I hope not to miss the one of the next year GW
For those who start abstinence today or will start tomorrow I wish a good abstinence.
As I nurse, I choose this option " the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later"peace
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Peace,
I too missed it because of the dust storms here. As sis Marie said, good abstinence to all those who are. I will try not to post any mouthwatering recipes in the meanwhile.
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Salaam Ayman,
Can you help me figure out the date for shawm in South Jakarta, Indonesia?
According to the site you gave above, the summer solstice for the southern hemisphere occurs on December 22. And the first full moon after that will occur on January 3.
Jan 3, 2007
Zone 7h East of GreenwichAltitude Azimuth Fraction
(E of N) Illuminatedh m o o
1720 -10.6 62.9 1.00
1730 -8.5 62.9 1.00
1740 -6.4 62.7 1.00
1750 -4.2 62.6 1.00
1800 -2.1 62.4 1.00
1810 0.5 62.1 1.00
1820 2.4 61.8 1.00
1830 4.4 61.5 1.00
1840 6.4 61.1 1.00
1850 8.5 60.7 1.00
1900 10.6 60.2 1.00
1910 12.6 59.7 1.00
1920 14.7 59.1 1.00
1930 16.8 58.5 1.00
1940 18.8 57.9 1.00
1950 20.8 57.1 1.00
2000 22.8 56.3 1.00
2010 24.8 55.5 1.00
2020 26.8 54.5 1.00
2030 28.7 53.5 1.00
2040 30.7 52.4 1.00
2050 32.6 51.2 1.00
2100 34.4 50.0 1.00
2110 36.3 48.6 1.00
2120 38.1 47.1 1.00
2130 39.8 45.5 1.00
2140 41.5 43.7 1.00
2150 43.2 41.8 1.00
2200 44.8 39.8 1.00
2210 46.3 37.6 1.00
2220 47.7 35.2 1.00
2230 49.1 32.7 1.00
2240 50.4 30.0 1.00
2250 51.5 27.1 1.00
2300 52.6 24.0 1.00
2310 53.5 20.8 1.00
2320 54.3 17.4 1.00
2330 55.0 13.8 1.00
2340 55.5 10.1 1.00
2350 55.9 6.3 1.00Jan 4, 2007
Zone 7h East of GreenwichAltitude Azimuth Fraction
(E of N) Illuminatedh m o o
1810 -11.9 65.4 0.99
1820 -9.7 65.4 0.99
1830 -7.6 65.3 0.99
1840 -5.4 65.1 0.99
1850 -3.2 65.0 0.99
1900 -1.1 64.7 0.99
1910 1.5 64.5 0.99
1920 3.5 64.2 0.99
1930 5.6 63.8 0.99
1940 7.7 63.5 0.99
1950 9.8 63.0 0.99
2000 12.0 62.6 0.99
2010 14.1 62.1 0.99
2020 16.2 61.5 0.99
2030 18.3 60.9 0.99
2040 20.4 60.2 0.99
2050 22.5 59.5 0.99
2100 24.6 58.7 0.99
2110 26.6 57.8 0.99
2120 28.7 56.9 0.99
2130 30.7 55.9 0.99
2140 32.7 54.8 0.99
2150 34.7 53.6 0.99
2200 36.6 52.3 0.99
2210 38.5 50.8 0.99
2220 40.4 49.3 0.99
2230 42.2 47.6 0.99
2240 44.0 45.8 0.99
2250 45.7 43.9 0.99
2300 47.4 41.7 0.99
2310 48.9 39.4 0.99
2320 50.5 36.9 0.99
2330 51.9 34.2 0.99
2340 53.2 31.3 0.98
2350 54.5 28.1 0.98What I'm not sure is that the altitude on the 4th is lower (-11.9 compared to -10.6), even though the Fraction Illuminated is also lower by 0.01. So, is this means that the full-moon still occurs on the 3rd (shawm starts on the 4th), or is it the full-moon is on 4th (shawm starts on the 5th)? Thanks.
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Salaam Adley,
What I'm not sure is that the altitude on the 4th is lower (-11.9 compared to -10.6), even though the Fraction Illuminated is also lower by 0.01. So, is this means that the full-moon still occurs on the 3rd (shawm starts on the 4th), or is it the full-moon is on 4th (shawm starts on the 5th)? Thanks.
A negative altitude means that it is below the horizon so you can't see it. So start looking on Jan 3rd after 1810. Notice that between 1810 and 2010 (two hours) the moon rises about 25 degrees and it is 100% illluminated when it rises. On the other hand, in two hours the moon on Jan 4 rises to about 27 degrees and is 99% illuminated. So the moon on the 3rd is not only full but also takes a lower path accross the sky so it will appear more reddish and more dramatic. So the 3rd of Jan is the scorching full-moon in the southern hemisphere.
So you start the fast on the 4th (the daybreak following the scorching full-moon) for 10 days (the 13th is the last day).
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Ayman,
I'd posted the dates for the full moon for the northern hemisphere back in November last year. See http//www.free-minds.org80/forum/index.php?topic=4361.0
I no longer have a license for the program but I had used - Starry Night Pro 4.5 - which calculated those dates and I confirmed by visual examination.
It seems to be confirmed by other calculators, so I believe there still can be discrepancy of one day or so; and there are arguments for both starting earlier or later but it probably matters little overall.
If you observe the following page you will see that the Full moon is July 11 as I had written earlier
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.html
NEW MOON FIRST QUARTER FULL MOON LAST QUARTER
d h m d h m d h m d h m
JAN. 6 18 56 JAN. 14 9 48 JAN. 22 15 14
JAN. 29 14 15 FEB. 5 6 29 FEB. 13 4 44 FEB. 21 7 17
FEB. 28 0 31 MAR. 6 20 16 MAR. 14 23 35 MAR. 22 19 11
MAR. 29 10 15 APR. 5 12 01 APR. 13 16 40 APR. 21 3 28
APR. 27 19 44 MAY 5 5 13 MAY 13 6 51 MAY 20 9 21
MAY 27 5 26 JUNE 3 23 06 JUNE 11 18 03 JUNE 18 14 08
JUNE 25 16 05 JULY 3 16 37 JULY 11 3 02 JULY 17 19 13
JULY 25 4 31 AUG. 2 8 46 AUG. 9 10 54 AUG. 16 1 51
AUG. 23 19 10 AUG. 31 22 57 SEPT. 7 18 42 SEPT. 14 11 15
SEPT. 22 11 45 SEPT. 30 11 04 OCT. 7 3 13 OCT. 14 0 26
OCT. 22 5 14 OCT. 29 21 25 NOV. 5 12 58 NOV. 12 17 45
NOV. 20 22 18 NOV. 28 6 29 DEC. 5 0 25 DEC. 12 14 32
DEC. 20 14 01 DEC. 27 14 48So those who wish to, may begin as calculated before.
My best regards,
Oben
