You Have Been Warned
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Peace Bro Ahmed
I have a lot of respect for Harun Yahia, and I watched many of his videos.
What he says here is very logical, meaning take all the attributes, do not only focus on the ones that suit you, and I agree with that.
I agree that Allah is capable to destroy us whenever and wherever he wishes, but one thiing Allah does not do is wrong His creation, as He said He forbade it on Himself, so asked us not to do it to ourselves.
The attributes of Allah show themselves depending on the context we can see wrath, and pain giving when people are struck by an earth quake, mercy when somebody gets cured of an ailment, forgiveness when someone who commited sins feels better in her soul... etc
I am going to end this debate with you by saying that it is fear that brought me to Islam, and maybe this is the way it is meant to be, but I do not see some Prophets coming to the faith only because they fear Allah.
I do fear Allah, yes I do, but what makes me move is His Mercy.
Salam
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Peace Bro Ahmed
Let us consider the story of Job (Ayuub), it is my favourite story after that of Joseph.
In it Ayuub is tested so that Allah sees if He really appreciates Him on His own, without all the good things He gave him.
This is a very good example of Allah teaching a lesson to a Prophet, who is much higher in standing than us.
So please Ahmed, you need to be careful not to label people that easily and put them out of the fold of faith... Only Allah can...
Salam
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Peace bro
I like H Y a lot too
Look bro let's make it logical, if fearing Allah will bring people to Allah's blessings and avoiding His severe punishment then FEARING ALLAH IS VERY GOOD FOR US, no one can deny that
it is like we have been forced to believe in Him but yet He has given us freewill and a law, this is actually a respect bu Allah to the human kind that He created, He didn't do this with other mighty creatures and all of them have no freewill
Remember when I told you before that I see it as humans don't really have a choice BUT to believe and submit to Him
Salam
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Peace Bro
People get convinced through different paths, fear being one of them, there is also knowledge, gratitude, mercy, miracles, even bad events such as tragedies and sins...
All of the above can also do the exact opposite...
It is not that simple, but it is only through Allah's mercy that we believe.
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Peace Bro
I think this is a good example why fear does not always work the example in the Quran of those who are caught in a tempest on the sea, then submit to Allah on His own and fear Him until He brings them back to the shore and save them, and then after that they revert to becoming idol-worshippers.
It is the whole package brother...
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Salam Brother Ahmed
I went on a long stroll and was listening on my mp3 player to two surats, Alzummar and Ghafir.
In both of them I hear the emphasis of Allah's Mercy to those who genuinely seek guidance.
There is a beautiful ayat in Alzummar for all mankind not to despair of Allah's Mercy.
It will be very good if you listen to Alzummar again (not read it but listen to it), it really is a very compelling Surah.
Best Salam
Noble
PS I used to read the Quran an amazing lot, but now I enjoy even better listening to it... -
Thanks bro
I enjoy doing both, I have all the quran suras as mp3 files on my 60 gig ipod, I also have all the Quran suras in Arabic on my PDA phone, incluidng Tafisir, my PDA also reminds me with the Salat time as it changes everyday
cheers
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Salam Bro Noble
here is the link for H Y book about the fear of Allah
http//www.harunyahya.com/books/deep_thinking/fear/fear1.php
cheers
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Bro Ahmed,
Peace
Bro H Y is very generous, allowing for his pdf book being free of charge.
Since as far as I am concerned he is an authority on Islamic matters, in my eye, so what he says I will tend to accept.
Therefore I agree with you that Believers should fear Allah always.
Thank you for your patience, but next time, take it easy...
Kind salams
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Bro Ahmed,
Peace
Bro H Y is very generous, allowing for his pdf book being free of charge.
Since as far as I am concerned he is an authority on Islamic matters, in my eye, so what he says I will tend to accept.
Therefore I agree with you that Believers should fear Allah always.
Thank you for your patience, but next time, take it easy...
Kind salams
NobleYeh mate, I read most of his books, I agree with most of what he says, as far as I remember I only disagree with him regarding the Mahdi, while I was brought to believe that a Mahdi will come, as I grow up I found the idea does not make sense to me, what do you think?
also I'm very patient with those whom I care about, and sure I mostely care about those who show clear signs of intellligence, I really hate wasting my time with the dumb deaf and blind despite I try hard first
my stand is simple bro, i only argue if I have concrete knowledge and I can back it up "NOT WITH MY OWN MADE UP EVIDENCES" but by others and on top of that list is Allah
Salam
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http//www.harunyahya.com/books/deep_thinking/fear/fear1.php
In the very first paragraph of this link, it states
"Allah's appointed angels are constantly monitoring and inscribing everything that you do. The moment you say a word they write it down. Your every step, every thought, everything that you do, including obligations which have been postponed, are all recorded without omission."
My concern is that why is there such a need for these "body guards" (angels) to do the works of an all-powerful, omniscient (all-knowing) and omnipresent (all-present) Allah?
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http//www.harunyahya.com/books/deep_thinking/fear/fear1.php
In the very first paragraph of this link, it states
"Allah's appointed angels are constantly monitoring and inscribing everything that you do. The moment you say a word they write it down. Your every step, every thought, everything that you do, including obligations which have been postponed, are all recorded without omission."
My concern is that why is there such a need for these "body guards" (angels) to do the works of an all-powerful, omniscient (all-knowing) and omnipresent (all-present) Allah?
Danish
please man, if Allah didn't explain His actions, don't ask me to explain it then, for example I don't know why Allah created two eyes for us, or two holes in the nose etc etc...
see, I have zillions of questions that no one on this bloody earth will be able to answer, so i tend to avoid these silly questions because for me to participate in such non sense means that I don't know Allah well, now Allah told us in the Quran that you said you follow, "He can't be questioned regarding what He does but we will be questioned regarding what we do"
Salam
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Hello Ahmed,
I guess I didn't make myself clear or you didn't catch my point. Let me put it in another perspective
Creating angels as body guards or helpers, undermines Allah's attributable strengths, does it not?
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Danish Creating angels as body guards or helpers, undermines Allah's attributable strengths, does it not?
On the contrary, a God whose essence (ql dhat) is present in this world can't really be god, can he?
I'm expecting an answer, not a question. Please don't divert my question with another question? If you can answer, then do so and if you can't, then at least acknowledge it.
Prove your hypothesis logically, please.
I'm asking a question, not proving an answer? If you think my question was not logical, then explain yourself.
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Peace Danish
God is said to have helpers, but not so out of weakness , therefore not undermining any attributions given Him in the quran. I like to think of God as an architect. Like an architect God has the plans and has his workers carry them out for him.
Joe
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DanishI'm expecting an answer, not a question. Please don't divert my question with another question? If you can answer, then do so and if you can't, then at least acknowledge it.
Fine.
Again for your pleasure
On the contrary, a God whose essence (ql dhat) is present in this world can't really be god.I'm asking a question, not proving an answer? If you think my question was not logical, then explain yourself.
A question can neither be logical or illogical as it does not assert anything.
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Peace Danish
God is said to have helpers, but not so out of weakness , therefore not undermining any attributions given Him in the quran. I like to think of God as an architect. Like an architect God has the plans and has his workers carry them out for him.
Joe
Peace Joe,
You see, Allah having "helpers" is the crux of my concern to begin with. In 17111, it mentions essentially that HE does not need any partners nor and any protectors.
Once again, my analysis would stem out from an historical standpoint.
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O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of God As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to towards God?" (man ansaari ILAA Allah) Said the disciples, "We are God's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.What Isaa says here is crucial, that one becomes an ansaar/aider TOWARDS Allah, i.e. in the establishment of Allah's Will.
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61/14
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of God As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to towards God?" (man ansaari ILAA Allah) Said the disciples, "We are God's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.What Isaa says here is crucial, that one becomes an ansaar/aider TOWARDS Allah, i.e. in the establishment of Allah's Will.
Was it Isaa who said the above verse or was it someone (who wrote this down) said that Muhammad said that Gabriel said that Allah said that Isaa said?