Proper Name "Muslim"
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Salaam Ahmed
A) Ism Muarrab
B) Ism Mabbni
If you just continued to the third- and last- case of i3raab, which is
C) Ism Mamnuu3 menal sarf (diptode),
you will find the Proper Names or nouns. Other nouns are by default not proper (i.e common).
Salam Samia
thanks for the info, however I could not find any thing in the books that I have that says there are two types of names, a common name and a proper name, this does not exist in the arabic language, it is called Nouns and can be categorised according to other criteria not proper and common
Cheers
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Peace JM and Samia,
To my mind, translating quran by ?great reading? sounds very strange in . Translating it by ?reading? sounds good.
So, I cannot accept your point. Maybe we only have to agree to disagree.Translating it as "reading" is fine too. I don't see an issue there.
As a side note, here is what you wrote about Arabic nahw.
So, if the invented nahw (syntax) is not reliable, why would the invented sarf (morphology) be reliable?
There is quite a difference between the grammar set by Ibn Seebawyh et al and the grammar of the Qur'aan, to the extent that the Qur'aan would look full of "grammatical" mistakes. A simple example is the dual verb, which we were taught as being a compulsary conjugation for the dual subject. Not the case in te Qur'aan.
As for morphology (sarf), no such descrepancies exist.Unfortunately, there are problems with how Arabic scholars deal with the morphology too. Those problems have their roots in Arabic linguists ignorance of the evolution of Arabic and considering it somekind of sacred language. Thus Arabic linguists believed (and many still do) that Classical Arabic existed since the beginning of time and that ancient people such as Adam, Abraham and Ishmael spoke Classical Arabic. Thus, they quote supposed pre-Islamic Arabic poems which they claim were recited by Adam in eulogy of his slain son, all in easy to read Classical Arabic I might add!
Of course, Arabic, like any language, developed over time. In terms of Semitic languages, Arabic is relatively new to the scene. Also, as with any language, it borrows heavily from other languages, even non-Semitic ones such as Middle Persian and Greek. For example, we find the word "istabraq" (brocade) in the great reading. This word is borrowed directly from Middle Persian. So you can't neatly fit it into standard Arabic morphology and roots. The same goes with words like "dinar", which was borrowed from Greek through Persian or words like "tah" (yo!/hey man!), which is borrowed from Ethiopic. It is amusing to watch Arabic linguists trying hard to perfectly fit foreign words like these into the Arabic root system.
Of course, many of the foreign words have been "Arabized". For example, "jund" (army/soldiers), which is borrowed from Persian, has been thoroughly Arabized.
PS Are you an Arabic teacher?
Although my formal education is in engineering and this is what my PhD and my professional work is in, I do volunteer to teach Arabic whenever I can. For example, I recently volunteered to teach Arabic courses at a local university and manage the Arabic language program until the university can get a more permanent faculty.
I teach students many of the concepts that I put out here on the forum. Unfortunately, many of those concepts are not taught to native modern Arabic speakers. My general observation after going through various systems of Arabic education is that the way Arabic is taught desperately needs to be reformed. This goes for both native and non-native Arabic speakers. Many of the issues and misunderstandings in the world today can be resolved by changing the way Arabic is taught.
Peace,
Ayman
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Salaam all,
Really sorry for the late reply. The last week had been disastrous for me.
From the discussion going, and by re-reading the related verses, it does seem that my proposal of treating "muslimin" should be rejected.
And thus, it is just a common noun.
Although if "submitter" is not considered a good translation, then we probably should create another one.Many thanks to Ayman, Ahmed, and Samia for the Arabic knowledge.
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Muslim shall represent to obyance to Allah's deen, it will fit to call as devoter