WHY NO ACTION IS TAKEN AGAINT DANISH?
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Firun is not a name. Firun = pharoah (any pharoah) in arabic. In Egypt you'll hear anyone say el feruun ramsis, el feruun tut aankhamun, el feruun mubarak ;D
Yes, I know that already from the link I preiously provided. Pharoah is a title given to royalities such as kings, rulers, etc. But again, one of my points was that did Allah forget to mention this specific Pharoah who troubled Moses. Also, were Issa and Musa the real names of these prophets of God?
just means the pharoah so-and-so. so Mineptah, having a temple and was mummified must have been royalty i.e. a pharoah (or firuun if you're saying it in arabic).
Once again, if Pharoah is a general title of so-and-so, and Merenptah as we've determined, was not the Pharoah who troubled Moses, and knowing that several Pharoah found, then which Pharoah are we now talking about that specifically troubled Moses with his army? Besides, my previous points has yet to addressed.
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Danish,
Actually, I was not making a judgement call on you, but merely asking rhetorical questions for consideration. It is true that many people seem to have a beef with you, and I asked if the situation is becoming disruptive or is perhaps your arguments serve a purpose. I do like the name thepinky that you referred to me with, maybe I will change my nickname.
As for all of this nonsense going on in this thread, I think more than a few people are being disruptive and carrying this argument to the detriment of the forum. I especially find it distasteful when people seek to label someone as for or against god. That sounds too close to takfir for me. That said, I really haven't been following this argument and I hope that it stops. It is tiring when people bring their argument with someone to every thread a person is on. In fact, it is cyberstalking when people do that. Please leave your arguments in the original threads and quit mucking up all the rest of them.....and this is to everyone who is doing this. There is nothing more tedious than reading a discussion and person A posts an answer and person B, who doesn't like person A, comes on that thread and starts crap with that person -usually about something that is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Furthermore, this name calling and bashing of each other is childish and I believe it is against the tenants of the Qur'an.
Once I hook up my new keyboard, I am going to type out and post my notes from argumentive writing on the topic 'When it is useless to have a discussion?' To sum it up now however, it is usually when
a. people are so fanatical about their pov that there is no chance of movement in any direction;
b. when people require absolute proof on everything and refuse to grant even minimal shared assumptions as true. For example, say the topic is 'Is the Hajj a literal or symbolical pilgrimage?' Now the unstated assumption is that the Qur'an is real. Person A, who believes the Qur'an is the word of God says literal and explains why. Person b, who also accepts the assumtion that the Qur'an is real says no, it is symbolical and proceeds to state their reasons. The person C shows up and doesn't believe in God or the Qur'an so thus doesn't accept the basic assumption of the topic. Person C then says it doesn't exist at all because the Qur'an is false and demands proof that the Qur'an is not false. Now persons A and B are forced to address this issue which now leads the discussion completely away form the original topic. Some mind not mind the new direction, but many find it irritating to say the least. It is useless to try to have a discussion when the very basic assumptions are not accepted by the members of the discussion/audience. It will just go around in a regressive circle (esp. when absolute proof is demanded) and the original topic is lost.
To reiterate, it can be very tiring if 2 people are on the same page regarding the unstated assumptions and having a discussion, for a third person to waltz in and start arguing about the assumptions. If anyone is guilty of this, and we all have been at some point I am sure, then we need to stop this behavior. At the very least, make a new thread to debate the assumptions that you disagreed with in the original thread instead of mucking it up for everyone else who is interested in the original topic.
Thank you very much and have a nice day.
The Pink
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peace
I don't think there should be any action taken against Danish.
agree with Magi about political correctness, but we should make some effort to not offend others. No one benifits from offensive language, whether it should be offensive or not.
Appreciate your support. As mentioned several times, that all these people who have no desire to DISCUSS but only CUSS are the ones who cannot take my strong criticisms. Take an example of this "jew muslim"( rotfl) cultish individual who started this thread. Surprisingly enough, there's not one person who has condemned the disparaging behaviour of mquran. This only displays their own egocentric attitudes to support such venemous counterparts and hence their blind beliefs.
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Danish,
I looked for your introductory post but did not find it. Did you make an introduction? If not, would you mind giving me a bit of your background? Have you ever considered yourself muslim, do you now? What is your viewpoint on the Qur'an? What is your viewpoint on God? I am just curious.
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As mentioned several times, that all these people who have no desire to DISCUSS but only CUSS
Describes you in a nutshell ! Such hypocrisy ! rotfl Have you ever discovered the MIRROR?
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Peace Magi,
"death to political corectness" D yeah, death
the comment was not against you but the people who created the joke,
and if the word retarded is not insulting /disrespectful, why was it used to moke people that argue on the net?
About the word being correct in Denmark, it is a bit strange for me, I know it is not correct at all in Spain, UK, Sweden and Canada. Could you check if it is really as you say there? in the psychology field, please, not in moralist fields -)
Peace
Elenapeace Elena
sorry but im developing an allergy to political corectness. I mean it gives me ticks D
It is no more hurtfull than saying disabled, slow learning, slow etc. Its not the words, but its invokation that is the "bad" about it. Retardeded is just someone slow at things, learning, emotions, as in saying "please retard your anger a little"
All fields get infested with political corectness. A dwarf in terms of these people you mention is vertically challenged. And a fat person is horisontally challenged. Im well aware that they along the line chose new political corect names, because the public refuse to change their use.
But have they then ovoided mockery for the "victim" of the mindstate? No, because the public will just use a new word against normal working people, when they want to portray them as a retard. Oh...youve got special needs dont you? Its the same insult without using the now "not pilitical correct" retard, just another wording of it. So what good did the political corectness do? well it surely as always muddied the waters of the language. -
peace Elena
sorry but im developing an allergy to political corectness. I mean it gives me ticks D
I know I know )
It is no more hurtfull than saying disabled, slow learning, slow etc. Its not the words,
yes, it is the words, let me clarify, any adjective is wrong, disabled, handicapped, etc, but if saying "person with..." we are implying the most important, that it's is about a person with this or that, exactly as when we talk about any other person, in other words, the person is .. and has .. many things, not only disability, it is not to focus on the disability, e,g, many things could be said about the child of the photo he is a sportchil, an actor, he is given a few reponsabilities, he is a child with handicraft skills, the disability it is just one of his things, but if we use adjectives we are focusing just on one of them.
I hope you got me now, if not, never mind. -)
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Fair enough Danish. I went back put lines in my post so that it clearly doesn't seem directed at you solely. Only the first paragraph was. Personally, I don't want to get involved in these little tit-for-tat flame wars that occur on forums because it bores me. I am not sure what can be done to bring peace to this forum but I think some reflecting and soul searching by everyone is due.
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Peace mquran,
In my view, the Quranic response would be to eliminate troublemakers (defined as ppl who are out to insult and mock without ever having discussed anything) from this forum.
I understand it is your view, but what is the view stated in the quran in regards to people who insult and mock it?
Anwar Azim
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Hello Myr,
I have not once disrespected you and neither have you discussed any matters with me. Are you afraid of my criticisms or your book? If you are afraid of your book, then all you need is to discuss my criticisms presented. Here's one just for you
According to the Quran, was Firoun and his troops drowned (250, 2840, 17103) or were they preserved (1092)? Would you call this mocking or defecations and urinations as mquran would have put it? Are you willing to discuss this matter with me along with other Moses's tales?
Danish is non moslem, he keens to know about Islam and Al quran, he might had learned al Quran intensively - not from Moslems but - from parties may be opposite to Islam, by which he compiles all verses that he thinks controvenes. Any way his logic should be appreciated, he invites us to think similarly to him.
The coming of prophets are to make down all super power's kingdom to be replaced by Allah's kingdom. QS. 250, 2840, 17103 telling the victory Moses against Pharaoh, whilst QS.1092 telling his dead body was found (might to be balmed), what's wrong ?