When will this journey into nothingness end?
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Sirat al-Mustaqim
by Micha F. Lindemans
"The straight path". It is the path of God (Qur'an 4253). The sirat is described as no wider than a rope and 3000 miles (or hours) long, 1000 upwards, 1000 across and 1000 downwards. However, it is also described as a ladder which the souls of the dead have to climb into paradise. Beneath the sirat rages the fires of Hell, which scorches the sinners so that they fall into it. They can only be saved by repeating God's name. God will hear them and send an angel to rescue them.
The souls of the good will find their good deeds converted into a white horse awaiting for them to ascent. Riding it, they will cross the bridge in only three minutes because their good deeds will carry them into paradise. At the end of the bridge, they will find the Hauzu'l-Kausar (the Pond of Abundance).http//www.pantheon.org/articles/s/sirat_al-mustaqim.html
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"Say 'come let me recite to you what your Lord Has forbade for you
that you should not set-up anything with Him.
And be kind to your parents;
and do not kill your unborn children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them;
and do not come near evil, what is openly of it, or secretly;
and do not kill the soul which GOD Has forbidden, except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend'.
'And do not come near the money of the orphan, except for what is best, until he reached his maturity;
and give honestly full measure and weight equitably. We do not burden a soul except by what it can bear.
And if you speak then be just even if against a relative;
and with pledges made to GOD you shall observe. This He Has enjoined you that you may remember'.
And this is *My path, a Straight One, so you shall follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous." (6151-153)
Perhaps this is a perfect example of how some Muslims really have turned away from the Qur'an...
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Peace Shaad
Yes we are having a clear problem at the moment, this forum is currently in a state of crisis with many opposing views from participants who only enjoy having the last word to protect their fragile ego.
So I really appreciate and welcome your comments which capture the current mood.
However do not forget that it only takes one committed individual to make a real difference.
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peace,
Noble, can you please be kind enough let me know what this body of "we" is that you are refering to?
I believe the answer to this question is important for my understanding before I can even begin to try and understand what the "problem" & "state of crisis" which you speak of is. In "PBUH" thread, I asked the same question and am patiently awaiting an answer. It is clear to me that the answer of this question can lead to a better understanding of what is happening here and now.
By trying to reason out what you mean by "we" in your post above, it would be difficult for me to think of this forum as "we", if there are many opposing view points as you stated. So therefore "we" in you post may not mean the forum. If this is not so, and you mean the whole body of the forum as "we", then my worst thoughts regarding this board seem to be close to a reality. That being, yet another sect within the Deen is forming. Perhaps there are more possibilities that have not yet come into my mind, and you can be kind enough to let me know.
I pray you understand my earnest inquiry regarding this matter.
peace.
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Peace M_Mehdi
Allah's guidance is The Guidance. This forum is about that.
Some individuals value being right more that being truly guided. It is an ego problem.
There is not enough momentum for this "God Alone" movement to be a sect.
I look at it as a spin off from Rashad Khalifah and other previous "scholars" work. I personally benefitted a great deal as it opened my eyes re. hadith and sunna.
For that alone, I thank very much the ones who made this happen.
It is up to The God to bring hearts together, we are but vessels for His Mercy.
Patience is much needed, and also prayer and action...
Salam -
peace Shaad,
I dont think I understand your point.
What we (or atleast I) are trying to do is find the truth. And that includes what exactly the quran is and what it's saying. So that we can put our selves on the right path. How is this a journey into nothingness? -
That being, yet another sect within the Deen is forming.
Not necessarily, not if we can help it at least. I can't help but notice there is a great deal of Sunni-bashing here which is understandable for two reasons 1. Many of us were previously 'Sunnis' if you could say that and 2. It fors the largest Hadith sect, however some of my best and most respected friends are still in that position of Ahl-us-Sunna and yes, I believe they do stuff that is not part of Islam however I also know that I am not perfect myself and I hope insha Allah that I will be forgiven just like my 'sunni' brothers.
The instant we start treating sunnis and shias as completely wrong instead of simply misguided and stop the derogative comments (which there surely are, not so much recently but it has been quite regular in the past) we need to help each other as Muslmis 'quranite', 'sunni' and 'shia' for I tell you, there are people in all three groups who understand the importance of referring to oneself just as a 'Muslim', this is not just a Qur'an Alone phenomenon.
Like M_Mehdi said, the people here referred to as 'we' run the risk of creating another deen if 'we' don't change ourselves, it is of the utmost importance however that these discussions about each and every little tiny fact of Islam are consolidated amongst ourselves, the ones given in the clear versus I mean, not the other stuff, we need to consolidate everything in the clear verses and come to a common understanding.
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Peace Noble,
Thank you for your post.
Some individuals value being right more that being truly guided. It is an ego problem.
It is difficult to tell on a message board without more explanation what it actually means. Perhaps you can explain a bit more on this? At face value the quote above is somewhat of a dichotomy. To be right and to be Guided go hand in hand. That is if we consider your first statement
Allah's guidance is The Guidance.
If an individual is Guided by Allah, then I would imagine Allah would Guide that individual towards being right rather than wrong. I would appreciate if you would please explain more on this idea.
There is not enough momentum for this "God Alone" movement to be a sect.
A sect does not need massive numbers or any great movement to be a sect unfortunately. I wish to save this conversation for a better time and another place insha_Allah.
Personally I was referring more to the new wave atheists who are trying to take over the forum, and who have pushed away many regular participants...
Thank you for this Noble. Is this what you meant by "we" initially? We being Believers to differentiate from non-believers? If so, then my question can be put to rest. Peace be on you.
Salam Al-Quraishi,
The instant we start treating sunnis and shias as completely wrong instead of simply misguided and stop the derogative comments (which there surely are, not so much recently but it has been quite regular in the past) we need to help each other as Muslmis 'quranite', 'sunni' and 'shia' for I tell you, there are people in all three groups who understand the importance of referring to oneself just as a 'Muslim', this is not just a Qur'an Alone phenomenon.
Very nicely put Al-Quraishi. Unity is key, as you said, "We need to help eachother as Muslims."
peace...
ps. please excuse the long post.
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Peace to all,
I agree with Shaad, we need to start by coming to an agreement on what we have in common and stop trying to pick each other apart. I dont think we should constantly worry that we will become another sect like some say, its not this, are we not supposed to let a community arise from among ourselves in order to do Gods work?
Kurt
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Peace
Being right or being wrong are very relative words, and depending on which value system you are using, they can mean drastically different things. Thus for a sunnist being right means following the hadith. For an atheist not believing in God and only accepting what can be measurable... etc.
The Guidance is determined by The God's Message which consists of the Al Quran and the Open Book of Allah's Laws that govern the Universes.
We can call following The Guidance being right, it is just semantics, but the Believer follows The Guidance, and therefore is guided.
Saying one is right is the ego playing and comes from the Devil.
And The God knows best.
Salam
Noble -
Consider not that Allah is unaware of that which the Zalimoon (musyrekeen, wrong-doers, etc.) do, but He gives them respite up to a Day when the eyes will stare in horror.
( , Ibrahim, Chapter #14, Verse #42)The cyclical of world's power revolvement (moslem-musyreek-moslem,-musyreek etc) about every 700 years. The time is now, we will be led by Promised Messias.
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Don't believe, ignoring ? sun sun sun whatever
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The cyclical of world's power revolvement (moslem-musyreek-moslem,-musyreek etc) about every 700 years. The time is now, we will be led by Promised Messias.
Is that a prophecy of you own? D
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Peace Shaad,
And not only that, but all through the ages there has not been a single Moslem, at least not since the Battle of Karbala in which the Meccans obliterated the original community of the Prophet in 684.
Just trying to figure out how you came to this conclusion. ??? -
Not necessarily, not if we can help it at least. I can't help but notice there is a great deal of Sunni-bashing here which is understandable for two reasons 1. Many of us were previously 'Sunnis' if you could say that and 2. It fors the largest Hadith sect, however some of my best and most respected friends are still in that position of Ahl-us-Sunna and yes, I believe they do stuff that is not part of Islam however I also know that I am not perfect myself and I hope insha Allah that I will be forgiven just like my 'sunni' brothers.
Regarding sunni bashing (I know this one is shia site LOL) ...
http//www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?s=995812eff631df473649829cdf9d1372&showtopic=65769&st=0&p=849073&#entry849073Regarding sunni brothers, I think it depends on whether they have been invited to Allah alone or not. I was also sunni but alhamdulillah I don't reject the invitation to tawheed.
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Peace Andy,
Well I have (or more correctly had) a very good long standing friend and business associate who is a sunni, and whom I invited to Quran/God Alone, I gave him the link to this site.
He told me I was a heretic, that I was rejecting half of my faith, and threatened me not to be my friend anymore if I carry on talking about this "poison"...
His view is that we should follow Islam through Ulama and Quran...
Anyways, he is not talking to me anymore...
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Regarding sunni bashing (I know this one is shia site LOL) ...
peace,
I'm sorry andy, but i fail to see what is so funny. From the link you posted, it appears that most on the site you posted are seeing the free-minds website and it's members as just another sect. -\
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Peace zenje
No, of course I do not assert that there have been no Moslems in the last 1400 years. But this is the perspective of the ?scholar Moslem?, and I was only trying to point out that if we approach the Quran with our intellects alone then this we are forced to conclude.
On the contrary, I believe there have been countless and great Moslems over the ages, and in this regard I consider a Moslem to be a submitter before the truth that is God. I see Moslems today, and usually among the under-privileged, with a hand to mouth existence, and they do not have the leisure to absorb any of the false theology put out by the Mullahs, nor do they have the opportunity to utilize the tariqa of hypocrisy towards material gain. But apart from this I usually find the Moslems to be outside the so-called Moslem Ummah. I see among the Christians and the Jews many enlightened by the light of the Quran, and I do not hesitate to call them Moslems. I admit it is a hazardous task to try and identify individuals, and almost impossible to trace the exact path whereby the individual has access to the light of the Quran. Yet when I look at the broad vista of history since the year 610 I see nothing but the light of the Quran having propagated through the world, and nothing else is behind the unmatched scientific advance, the avalanche of human endeavour and the flood of human creativity. Yes, the materialists and the atheists claim the laurels, but I have checked and found out that history is written by the usurpers and for the usurpers. The busy intellects who endlessly glorify human progress have never given us anything. No, the real contributors are festering in oblivion. Jean Buridan is turned into an ?ass?, while Isaac Newton is given all the credit. And even that part of Isaac Newton that is admitting of the Quran is trashed while history tells us that Newton wrote the Principia with straightforward logic and all the rest was his superstition, so that we are given an absolutely false Newton is place of the true one.
When I look carefully I find that it is the light of the Quran whenever I see the appearance of light. In the beginning it was confined to the Moslem world and physically close to the Quran. Then 4 to 5 centuries later the light went out over there as the Hadith triumphed and the new idolaters closed the book of the Quran for the Moslems. But they could not put out the light of the Quran itself, because it found vent in the Christian sphere in the West. From Roger Bacon to Francis Bacon, 300 years, we find that the founders of Western science are constantly admitting their debt to the Moslems, and these passages are erased from modern texts. Now that the usurpers have erased everything it is hard for us to trace influences. But look at the picture in a broad sweep and the truth of the matter cannot be avoided. It is all issuing from the light of the Quran. And the necessary corollary to this is that there are Moslems in the West, among the Christians, Jews and others. On the other hand there is no light in the ?Moslem? sphere, not since the first centuries. And this also implies that there are hardly any Moslems in this place. The Quran is the light. And nobody huddling pitch darkness can claim to have it.
Shaad
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