So many humans are going to go to hell
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what im saying is, that is not a choice. Noone would deliberately chose the beating if they understood the consequences. But if they dont understand the consequences, how can they be punished?
Peace
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what im saying is, that is not a choice. Noone would deliberately chose the beating if they understood the consequences. But if they dont understand the consequences, how can they be punished?
Peace
i guess i give less credit to humanity becuase i believe even if we know the consequences there will still be quite allot who still steal, murder, lie and commit many more sins.. why ??? becuase sometimes it's just easier or it feels good at the moment,
man is very impatient, and most live for the moment.
Adam was directly Tolled by God not to aproch the tree, but he still did... why ??? becuase he was fooled by satan.
even if we all know the consequences we can still be dupped.
there will be inhabitants of hell claiming if they were sent back to earth for another test they would change... The All Powerfull and All Knowing God Tells us they would still fail.
peace,
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Peace Magi,
Here have a candy bar, you can have any one you want as long as you chose the red one. Because if you dont chose the red one, all you can have is raw liver. Doesnt make it hard to choice does it? In fact, is it a choice at all, or merely an illusion thereof?
Again the analogy does not compare, not even close to the myriad of choices you have every second of your existence. You can do better than that Magi!Altso zenje i dont get this part. Why would i want to chose to be in a place with this much pain and suffering, with the possability of having to go somewhere even worse and stay there for very long? What is the motivation?
These are the questions you need to deeply ask yourself, and no one else can answer it for you. Why did mother Teresa choose to live in Calcutta, and not in some mansion on an island somewhere? Why does anyone choose anything? Good, bad, bliss, anguish?
If God knows who will and who wont, he could save the suffering part and just hand it to those he knows will, and spare those who wont the anguish.
Because the person chose to suffer, chose to be in pain. Believe it or not, some people choose a beating over a candy bar every moment of their lives, conciously or otherwise.Can i enjoy heaven, while i know that most didnt make it?
You will, knowing that those who are not in 'heaven' chose 'hell', there will be no ambiguity, no questions.What im getting at is not the concepts, but our understanding, knowin that God is all merciful which is my own center of thinking about God always. If something doesnt fly with this, whatever it was, is wrong, and i need to think harder
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Anybody have proof of when we 'chose' to have free-will? Are you saying that every person in history that was ever born chose to have free-will and no person chose not to have free-will? That sounds very unlikely given the countless billions of humans that have lived. And if this is a genuine choice why has no person exercised the right to tell god i dont want free-will? I smell a conspiracy magi!!!
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Even since Adam had to chose between God's command and satan's persuasion. Perhaps we never did choose to have free will but it is part of our existent as being human. In addition, one has to exist before choosing a)to exist or b) not to exist. Because we already exist, then we have to make decisions under God's laws.
I wonder if free will and life comes in a package? Satan choose to be arrogant. The mountain choosed not to accept the Trust(3372). A raven turned his back on me when i tried to talk to it in his language (annoyed?),and even my pet cat choose not to fight with another cat when i was persuading them to be friends P
Everything that are created operate under God's laws...There's no complete freedom and power. If God has provide the consequences and conditions for our free will, who are we to say it's no logical? Remember when the angels asked God "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said "I know what ye know not."
salam.
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Mr zenje,give me real examples of those humans who declined free-will and so dont have it? And when did i or anyone ask for free-will? Your comments seem to be a cop out!!! sun