Are there any Quran alone Imams/scholars?
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Salam all.... sun
When I discuss following the Quran Alone with other Muslims, they often quote scholars and Hadith.
Are there any well known Scholars or Imams that I can refer to, or is a Quran Alone scholar too much of a risky title to hold...?Halimah peace
IMHO, ahadith scholars know very well that hadith books are corrupted. They also know very well that quran does not justify hadith books. The problem is they are concealing this truth to "average" sunnis or shias. This is what I understand from 2146
2146 Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it as they know their own children; and a group of them hides the truth while they know.
Another reason might be that they have been debating with quran upholders and too embarrassed to admit that they are wrong. Or they are afraid of losing their status as "ulema". In any case I do hope more and more quranic scholars will come in the future ...insha Allah.
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Peace,
I dont think that they deliberatly hide the truth as you say and know that the Hadith is wrong. As a matter of fact, a lot of the hadiths coincide with Islam itself, its just the matter of authenticity and how they uphold it in such a high position.
Think about Christians that convert to Islam. Did they knowingly know that Christianity (worship of Jesus) was the wrong religion at first? Not at all.
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I'll add Kassim Ahmad to the list.
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Yes,there is still very little consensus on what certain basic verses on salat,fasting and punishments mean among 'quran only scholars'....It seems like we are all allowed to believe what we want from gods book....Very libertarian and western...
Peace,
This has to do with the fact that most come from a sunni background, and still use their sunni-interpretation on the Quran. The main message of the Quran is humanrights, not prayer or blindworship. So every word in the Quran must be approached as coming from a human-right perspective. But letting go of the sunni-background takes years and years and mostly it will not happen. This has to do with the psychological urge for religion, worship and superstition and myth. Instead of making their minds neautral when studying the Quran, they still use a sunni-mind to read it, they only try to dismiss the hadith. But with a sunni-mind they are still attached to it. Salat in ancient arabic means following closely and some other things, for a sunni-mind it can only mean prayer, all other meanings are dismissed in total. Letting go of your upbringing is hard and a long struggle. To approach the Quran as a book of worship has to do with their Gods-image where God is seen as a divinity that demands acknowledgement, as if He was a human king or dictator. When this image is left, then the real message will start to appear, because then the question why we are here is not because God demands worship. What is it then. And so the new research has started. And then the Quran shows we are here to progress our souls, this is a class, not a place to worship God.
So all the different interpretations you refer to are not really immediate contradictions and only one can be right. What you see here is the constant evolution of minds, and the different levels people are on with their psyche. When people believe we are here to worship God, they will interpretate the Quran as such. But when this idea is letten go over time, you see step by step the realisation that the All doesn't need anything and thus their interpretation is re-focused step by step. So all of these different interpretations are logical and normal and is really nothing wrong with it, as long people intepretate it from the good view that it must never harm humanity. For every level of psychology there is a interpretation out there that fits their level, for every foot there is a step on the stairway.
So you can see it is not a game of 'who is the best', but a constant growth of psychological image and meanings.
Peace
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Peace,
Peace,
I dont think that they deliberatly hide the truth as you say and know that the Hadith is wrong.
To be more precise ...not all of them conceal the truth knowingly ...instead a group of them as the verse says.
As a matter of fact, a lot of the hadiths coincide with Islam itself, its just the matter of authenticity and how they uphold it in such a high position.
I don't deny the possibility that some sayings of the prophet could have reached us but due to the high degree of corruption, we cannot uphold them let alone take them as source of laws. Just because some hadiths sound fine, doesn't mean they are from the prophet.
Think about Christians that convert to Islam. Did they knowingly know that Christianity (worship of Jesus) was the wrong religion at first? Not at all.
I agree about that.
As long as one is not aware of the truth, we cannot say he is concealing the truth knowingly. But after the verses of Allah have been brought to those hadith scholars (for example 6114), if they keep judging using the book of Bukhari, then we cannot say they are "concealing" the truth "unknowingly" anymore.
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Peace,
This has to do with the fact that most come from a sunni background, and still use their sunni-interpretation on the Quran. The main message of the Quran is humanrights, not prayer or blindworship. So every word in the Quran must be approached as coming from a human-right perspective. But letting go of the sunni-background takes years and years and mostly it will not happen. This has to do with the psychological urge for religion, worship and superstition and myth. Instead of making their minds neautral when studying the Quran, they still use a sunni-mind to read it, they only try to dismiss the hadith. But with a sunni-mind they are still attached to it. Salat in ancient arabic means following closely and some other things, for a sunni-mind it can only mean prayer, all other meanings are dismissed in total. Letting go of your upbringing is hard and a long struggle. To approach the Quran as a book of worship has to do with their Gods-image where God is seen as a divinity that demands acknowledgement, as if He was a human king or dictator. When this image is left, then the real message will start to appear, because then the question why we are here is not because God demands worship. What is it then. And so the new research has started. And then the Quran shows we are here to progress our souls, this is a class, not a place to worship God.
So all the different interpretations you refer to are not really immediate contradictions and only one can be right. What you see here is the constant evolution of minds, and the different levels people are on with their psyche. When people believe we are here to worship God, they will interpretate the Quran as such. But when this idea is letten go over time, you see step by step the realisation that the All doesn't need anything and thus their interpretation is re-focused step by step. So all of these different interpretations are logical and normal and is really nothing wrong with it, as long people intepretate it from the good view that it must never harm humanity. For every level of psychology there is a interpretation out there that fits their level, for every foot there is a step on the stairway.
So you can see it is not a game of 'who is the best', but a constant growth of psychological image and meanings.
Peace
Very well said.
I was wanting to make a topic asking about Quran-only imams and found this. Too bad there aren't any local ones. Then again, I should probably be thankful because I don't want to see them tortured to death by the satanic sunni's.
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Heard from an imam friend of mine the following
"We in Cape Town do not need to worry about the Ahmadiya, Qadiyaani or Bahai anymore. Our biggest threat is the Quraniyoon"
Interesting hey?
I know who the Bahai are but who are the rest of those you mention?
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I know who the Bahai are but who are the rest of those you mention?
Qadiyani = Ahmadi
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I just wanted to add about the word 'imam' or 'scholar'. I personally would never use that term to refer to Qur'an only people. Because i feel it is everyone's duty to be as knowledgeable about the Qur'an as possible.
Peace,
Respectfully.I agree.
I always say that all Muslims should know The Quran and whenever i mention this to sunnis they have this weird response for me"Only scholars know The Quran and we are learning from them."Weird.
Peace.
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Unfortunately or may I say fortunately, this friend of mine is the resident imam at a big mosque with a huge congregation. And he unceremoniously expound about the so-called threat of the "Quraniyoon" to me. In the meanwhile I have been the object of their clergy controlling body...hehehe. The sad part of the story is that he has a teaching batchelors degree to his name apart from his Madina studies. But this does not deter him from shouting from the mimbar that all trees have resident jinns and that one must first ask permission from the jinn to cut off the tree.