Naked Pope in a Glass House (DRAFT)
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I dont get it, what are you talking about?. the major conquering didnt happen when Mohammad was here at all. And when these major conquerings started, there was altso people who never forgot. But what was spread wasnt islam based on the Quran.
thank God that they like to brag about their wrong doings.
545 Birth of Abdullah, the Holy Prophet's father.
571 Birth of the Holy Prophet. Year of the Elephant. Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
577 The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
580 Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
583 The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
586 The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
591 The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
594 The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
595 The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. Seventh century
605 The Holy Prophet arbitrates in a dispute among the Quraish about the placing of the Black Stone in the Kaaba.
610 The first revelation in the cave at Mt. Hira. The Holy Prophet is commissioned as the Messenger of God.
613 Declaration at Mt. Sara inviting the general public to Islam.
614 Invitation to the Hashimites to accept Islam.
615 Persecution of the Muslims by the Quraish. A party of Muslims leaves for Abyssinia.
616 Second Hijrah to Abysinnia.
617 Social boycott of the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet by the Quraish. The Hashimites are shut up in a glen outside Makkah.
619 Lifting of the boycott. Deaths of Abu Talib and Hadrat Khadija. Year of sorrow.
620 Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
621 First pledge at Aqaba.
622 Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
623 Nakhla expedition.
624 Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
625 Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
626 Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
627 Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
628 Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
629 The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
630 Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
631 Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
632 Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
632 Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.stop---now Mohammad is dead. now the party starts!
633 Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634 Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635 Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636 Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637 Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638 Conquest of Jazirah.
639 Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640 Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641 Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642 Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643 Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644 Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan.Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645 Campaigns in Fats.
646 Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647 Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648 Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651 Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652 Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656 Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657 Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658 Battle of Nahrawan.
659 Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660 Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661 Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662 Khawarij revolts.
666 Raid of Sicily.
670 Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.
672 Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.
674 The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.
677 Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.
680 Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.
682 In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.
683 Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II.
684 Abdullah b Zubair declares himself aS the Caliph at'Makkah. Marwan I becomes the Caliph' at Damascus. Battle of Marj Rahat.
685 Death of Marwan I. Abdul Malik becomes the Caliph at Damascus. Battle of Ain ul Wada.
686 Mukhtar declares himself as the Caliph at Kufa.
687 Battle of Kufa between the forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah b Zubair. Mukhtar killed.
691 Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. Kufa falls to Abdul Malik.
692 The fall of Makkah. Death of Abdullah b Zubair. Abdul Malik becomes the sole Caliph.
695 Khawarij revolts in Jazira and Ahwaz. Battle of the Karun. Campaigns against Kahina in North Africa. The' Muslims once again withdraw to Barqa. The Muslims advance in Transoxiana and occupy Kish.
700 Campaigns against the Berbers in North Africa.
702 Ashath's rebellion in Iraq, battle of Deir ul Jamira.
705 Death of Abdul Malik. Accession of Walid I as Caliph.
711 Conquest of Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
712 The Muslims advance in Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
713 Conquest of Multan.
715 Death of Walid I. Accession of Sulaiman.
716 Invasion of Constantinople.
717 Death of Sulaiman. Accession of Umar b Abdul Aziz.
720 Death of Umar b Abdul Aziz. Accession of Yazid II.
724 Death of Yazid II. Accession of Hisham.
725 The Muslims occupy Nimes in France.
732 The battle of Tours in France.
737 The Muslims meet reverse at Avignon in France.
740 Shia revolt under Zaid b Ali. Berber revolt in North Africa. Battle of the Nobles.
741 Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.
742 The Muslim rule restored in Qiarowan.
743 Death of Hisham. Accession of Walid II. Shia revolt in Khurasan under Yahya b Zaid.
744 Deposition of Walid I1. Accession of Yazid II1 and his death. Accession of Ibrahim and his overthrow. Battle of Ain al Jurr. Accession of Marwan II.
745 Kufa and Mosul occupied by the Khawarjites.
746 Battle of Rupar Thutha, Kufa and Mosul occupied by Marwan II.
747 Revolt of Abu Muslim in Khurasan.
748 Battle of Rayy.
749 Battles of lsfahan and Nihawand. Capture of Kufa by the Abbasids. As Saffah becomes the Abbasid Caliph at Kufa.
750 Battle of Zab. Fall of Damascus. End of the Umayyads.
751 Conquest of Wasit by the Abbasid. Murder of the Minister Abu Salama.
754 Death of As Saffah. Accession of Mansur as the Caliph.
755 Revolt of Abdullah b Ali. MUrder of Abu Muslim. Sunbadh revolt in Khurasan.
756 Abdul Rahman founds the Umayyad state in Spain.
762 Shia revolt under Muhammad (Nafs uz Zakia) and Ibrahim.
763 Foundation of Baghdad. Defeat of the Abbasids in Spain.
767 Khariji state set up by Ibn Madrar at Sijilmasa. Ustad Sees revolt in Khurasan.
772 Battle of Janbi in North Africa. Rustamid. state set up in Morocco.
775 Death or the Abbasid Caliph Mansur, Accession of Mahdi.
777 Battle of Saragossa in Spain.
785 Death of the Caliph Mahdi. Accession of Hadi.
786 Death of Hadi. Accession of Harun ur Rashid.
788 Idrisid state set up in the Maghrib. Death of Abdul Rahman of Spain, and accession of Hisham.
792 Invasion of South France.
796 Death of Hisham in Spain; accession of al Hakam.
799 Suppression of the revolt of the Khazars. Ninth century.
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after this. Bukhari came in an collected the folklore connected to all this bloodshed and it became the relegion of islam itself. Excactly how it all happened. I dont know i was not a witness. But it is obvious that it wasnt all "good speak" that made people convert in many places.
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Brother Magi, you did not read fully my original post on here, nor have you yet responded to me regarding the hadith. Allow me to back track and use the simmilitude.
Its like a some guy with no educational background teaches about Blackholes. Saying they lead to a place called "Khalakhala" and the ruler of Khalakhla is your moms second cousins dog. Well, what he is teaching isn't about blackholes at all, so what is the info you are being taught? Well, the info is wrong. Therefore its not REALLY what blackholes are like. This is a simmilitude to the previous paragraph.
Thats what I said.
In other words, the ones who weren't conquering were actually moslems. I'm not in anyway saying that they are 100% pure moslems and true believers. I was actually agreeing with out in saying that since there is no compulsion in religion, the people who were conquering weren't following the Quran.
Get back to me brother.
EDITED Typo mistake "who were conquering" = "who weren't conquering".
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no and the people who were doing the vaticans dirty work werent christians. We can all hide behind these technicalities, or accept it as part of where we are today. Ofcourse they didnt follopw the quran when they were converting people at swordpoint, but they still did so, and these people are widely still muslims, or sunnis or whatever cult they are a member of. Im sorry if i misunderstood you.
My point being the same as yours. You cant convert people like that, they will go back to their old ways, alltho they may disguise it, so its not all too apparent. And slowly, it will transform back into what it was only taking bits and parts of the new system imposed on them.
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Alhamdullelah. Brother, we were debating over the same thing while we were agreeing. lol.
My mistake for not clearing up my point.
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peace
what a waste of words and time. The pope quoted someone else, and rightly did so. There is nothing in his statement that are unfair, as this is how islam was spread, just like any other relegion. Through conquest. So the line of pharaos he is part of have done wrongs? yes absolutely and i doubt anyone has forgot about them. what does it help anyone, or anything to start mudslinging at each our shady past?in many aspects we are even worse than they are, as we claim it is not so. They accept their history!
Dear Magi
The word Peace does not fit your mouth, since you are undermining the warmongering military agression of the West, which has been hundreds times more violent and cruel than of the so-called Muslims.
You obviously did not read my article since your reaction shows lack of knowledge on my point. Had you read my article, you would have noticed that it connects the past and present and focuses on present more than on the past. But, like many, you preferred a knee-jerk reaction to an important issue.
Instead of trying to defend Pope or the agression and Crusades he is trying to justify, look around the world and see the occupation and aggression of the so-called Christians in the world and the amount of blood they are shedding. Hundreds of times more cruel and terrorizing than the so-called "islamic terrorists." If quoting something is a NEUTRAL act, as you are trying to depict Pope's remark, here I am quoting something for you
"I abuse the priests, indeed, who have so much abused the pure and holy doctrines of their Master, and who have laid me under no obligations of reticence as to the tricks of their trade. The genuine system of Jesus, and the artificial structures they have erected, to make them the instruments of wealth, power, and preeminence to themselves, are as distinct things in my view as light and darkness; and while I have classed them with soothsayers and necromancers, I place Him among the greatest reformers of morals, and scourges of priest-craft that have ever existed. They felt Him as such, and never rested until they had silenced Him by death.
Government, as well as religion, has furnished its schisms, its persecutions, and its devices for fattening idleness on the earnings of the people. It has its hierarchy of emperors, kings, princes, and nobles, as that has of popes, cardinals, archbishops, bishops, and priests. In short, cannibals are not to be found in the wilds of America only, but are reveling on the blood of every living people." (Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Charles Clay, Jan 29, 1815).
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The word Peace does not fit your mouth, since you are undermining the warmongering military agression of the West, which has been hundreds times more violent and cruel than of the so-called Muslims.
Dear Edip
then you are missing my point. I guess i can be pretty short headed at times. It does not matter who has the more violence under the belt, not then, not now, not in the future. They are all wrong, and the best we can do, is ignore them. No amount of words is going to change anything, but utter lack of corporation and spreading that tune will make a change.
If quoting something is a NEUTRAL act, as you are trying to depict Pope's remark, here I am quoting something for you
Not neutral. it is not worth paying any attention to. Let him have his view, let him talk himself out of a voice. The worst thing you can do to powercrawing people is to ignore them. Pretend they are not there, and if they want to pick a fight over it, hand it to them. But up untill that point, just pretend they arent there. What we are doing by even replying to such stuff is dropping down to their level. My Dad always said to me, and i dont know who the quote really belongs to. "Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
Its not that your article is bad, and i DID read it. You have a way with words. But i view it as an utter waste of time, because all you are doing is catching the ball a player from little legaue is throwing.
I will use an example from my own little sphere to demonstrate what i mean.
In Denmark we have this guy
http//www.balder.org/presse/presse-billeder/Moses-Hansen.jpgtake a good long look at him, he is called Moses Hansen, and has declared war on islam. I love his shirt with the star of saturn saying Jesus comes back. And another one that says, Jesus is alive, Mohammad is dead. In 2002 he decided to take a cross and walk down through the muslim quarter of copenhagen.
http//www.watchman.dk/artikler/islam/020907alleellerallah.jpg
Those guys the police are holding back is not the muslims, but the danish halal hippies (danes with misplaced sympathy). So how did the muslims react?!. They didnt!
It became the political flop of that year, he was a laughing stock. And when he had passed through the streets a couple of times, laughter started. First in a few groups, but eventually the whole street were laughing becasue the situation was so ridiculous.Right now all kinds of organisation are doing what they can to provoke the muslims worldwide. And we would all do good to just flat out ignore this kind of nonsense. Greet them with peace, and leave it at that. To me the keyword of the post im writing this in response to is "so called".
Socalled muslims are going to fight socalled christians, and it will by large be payed for by socalled jews, now why would you want to get involved with that in any way what so ever?
to sum it up. my point is. let the fools talk all they want to, that way the rest of us can spend time on something worthwhile like the FED or world bank structures. The things that are in control of all our lifes, nomatter if we live in the bank district of EU, US or sudan. We have the same masters, and they love that we spend our time talking about these non issues instead of using our heads and not take the bones they hand us.
I lose my hope in humanity when I see almost a quarter of human population reveres a man pretending to be infallible, a man who follows a chain of many "infallible" others who burned people on stakes, led witch hunts, tried to stop the earth from rotating around the sun...
and i loose it when i see that we are now dumbed down to the level where we can be stripped of habeus corpus and actually belive that it is a good thing. How i would love to see this same efford of yours on subjects like these instead.
All the best
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Hi Magi,
Your remarks seem very inline with the quran.
"The servants of the Almighty are those who tread the earth gently, and when the ignorant speak to them, they only utter peace." (2563)
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(Additionally) whenever they hear vain talk of ridicule, they withdraw from it decently and say, "To us our deeds and to you yours; Peace be upon you, we do not seek to join the ignorant. (2572).Nadeem
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Right now all kinds of organisation are doing what they can to provoke the muslims worldwide. And we would all do good to just flat out ignore this kind of nonsense. Greet them with peace, and leave it at that. To me the keyword of the post im writing this in response to is "so called".
Dear Magee
I do not consider Pope as a small player, and comparing him and his institution to a few street demonstrators is utter nonsense. We cannot ignore Pope's remark about islam. Furthermore, Pope did not criticize the so-called Muslims, but falsely attacked the Quran and its prophet Muhammad.
Sure, pope and his supporters expected to provoke Muslims into violence, in order to justify their own accusation and violence. However, with the exception of a few violent reaction, the Muslim world reacted peacefully.
My response is not a reaction that would make pope and his allies happy. My reaction was a proper one and it is necessary.
The Quran does not ignore many of the mushrik's claim against God, His message and messenger. There are indeed many verses addressing them. Thus, I disagree with brother Nadeem regarding the applicability of the verses advising tolerance and silence, in this case. I will not ignore pope, since he has joined his emperors in the USA and UK in their deceptive propaganda and bloody war against islam and the Muslim world. I am not defending the aggression of Muslims, but in this fight, I am trying to raise the voice of the truth and justice for those who can still reflect. You should have been the last people who who would bellittle this voice.
Peace,
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Dear Magee
I do not consider Pope as a small player, and comparing him and his institution to a few street demonstrators is utter nonsense. We cannot ignore Pope's remark about islam. Furthermore, Pope did not criticize the so-called Muslims, but falsely attacked the Quran and its prophet Muhammad.
Dear Edip
why? what is the problem? if we react to his provocation in any way we are saying that we need to defend ourself. I dont need to defend myself against ludicris claims, in fact, i feel elevated above them because i know that truth stands on its own. It is said that it has been made clear from falsehood.
Sure, pope and his supporters expected to provoke Muslims into violence, in order to justify their own accusation and violence. However, with the exception of a few violent reaction, the Muslim world reacted peacefully.
what do you reckon would have happened if the muslims did nothing at all, no reaction what so ever. merely a "thats nice, have a nice day "
My response is not a reaction that would make pope and his allies happy. My reaction was a proper one and it is necessary.
it is a sober one, but its going to make no difference. Their agenda is obvious, and i dont want to play game in their court by their rules.
The Quran does not ignore many of the mushrik's claim against God, His message and messenger. There are indeed many verses addressing them. Thus, I disagree with brother Nadeem regarding the applicability of the verses advising tolerance and silence, in this case. I will not ignore pope, since he has joined his emperors in the USA and UK in their deceptive propaganda and bloody war against islam and the Muslim world. I am not defending the aggression of Muslims, but in this fight, I am trying to raise the voice of the truth and justice for those who can still reflect. You should have been the last people who who would bellittle this voice.
Im merely telling you what i feel about it, and what i think would do the difference. And i was thinking in the line of what Nadeem presented (thank you) So i will leave it at agreing to disagree.
Peace
Magi