Oh God
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Peace be with you
I did not come across in the Quraan the expression Oh Allah / Ya Allah (Oh God). The closest expression I found was He is Allah/Allah humma or Allah is He.
Did I miss this in the Quraan or that expression is not there.
Can anyone explain the reason for the non availability of this expression in the Quraan although it is a common expression verbally.
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Ya Allah is Modern Arabic
People speak in Modern Arabic when praying to God because that is the language they speak. Just as for me I pray to God in my native language.
Peace bro
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Peace
Appreciate your input
I guess it is much more than that. My opinion is, it is not right to call on Him as Ya Allah. None of the prophets called on Him as such. They always invoked Him as Lord/Rabbana. None of the invocations taught to us in the Quraan addresses God as Ya Allah. Most of the time when Allah is invoked it is always accompanied with the glorifying word (Subahanallah) or praising word (Alhamdullailah) added. Also there are other similar words added to Allah to create similar expressions to call on Him in the Quraan but never Ya Allah or Allah.
Why do you think He is not addressed directly by His name?
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Why do you think He is not addressed directly by His name?
He is "Allah" to the believers in Him, "Rab" to all the creation, whether they believe in Him or not.
This is the extent of His generosity You do not have to believe in Him, or even abide by His system, in order to ask Him or call upon Him
"His mercy contains evrything".
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Peace Elke, all,
no explanation but another fact
allah akbar is not in the quran either
We should be careful before calling something a fact.
I used to believe that too and had some heated debates that according to al-qur'aan "akbar" is not the name/attribute of Allah but was proved wrong !!
The name/attribute "akbar" is in al-qur'aan as a name/attribute of Allah !!
Prophet Abraham called Allah by the name/attribute "akbar" and Allah did not correct him, so "akbar" must be one of the names/attributes of Allah !!
678 So when he saw the sun rising, he said "This is my Lord, this is akbar." But when it disappeared he said "My people, I am innocent of that which you have set up."
Now one might say that he Abraham was calling the sun "akbar" but grammatically that is not so !!
If he was calling the sun "akbar" then the arabic phrase should have been "haazihi akbar" (this is akbar - feminine) as al-shams/the sun is a FEMININE word in arabic and for a feminine word the word "haazihi" is used. The actual arabic phrase in 678, however, is "haaza akbar" (this is akbar - masculine) and "haaza" is used only for masculine words, and thus could not have been referring to the sun !!!
Thus obviously "haaza" is referring to Allah in 678, and by saying "haaza akbar", Abraham was referring to Allah as "akbar", because the word "Allah" in arabic is a masculine word. He was mistakenly thinking that the sun was Allah, BUT WAS STILL REFERRING TO ALLAH AS AKBAR (because of the word "haaza" before it) !!
Allah subsequently did not correct Abraham's usage of "akbar" for Him, which proves that according to al-qur'aan "akbar" is one of Allah's names/attributes.
Hence one can say "Allah akbar" or "Allah al-kabeer" and both would be right according to al-qur'aan.
Peace
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Peace tanveer
i never said one shouldn't say it ... just said the expression "allah akbar" as such is not in quran although it is universally used nowadays...to establish a parallel with "ya allah"
i don't see our god as a kind of accountant verifying every little word we might use. it's what's in our heart that counts, our real intentions
lk
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Peace Elke, all,
i don't see our god as a kind of accountant verifying every little word we might use. it's what's in our heart that counts, our real intentions
I agree but the matter of names of Allah is not trivial and we have to be very careful
7180 And to God belong the beautiful names, so call Him by them; and ignore those who blaspheme in His names. They will be punished for what they used to do.
5323 These are but names that you made up, you and your forefathers. God never authorized such. They only follow conjecture, and personal desire, while the guidance has come to them from their Lord.
771 He said "An affliction and wrath shall befall you from your Lord. Do you argue with me over names which you and your fathers have created with no authority being sent down by God? Wait then, and I will wait with you."
We should not use any name for Allah that has not been authorized by Him.
Peace
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Salaam Tanveer
678 So when he saw the sun rising, he said "This is my lord, this is akbar." But when it disappeared he said "My people, I am innocent of that which you have set up."
When Ibrahim said this is "akbar bigger", he was not referring to God, nor was he referring to the sun", but to " this is my lord, aka the sun". That's why hatha "this is my lord" was in the masculine. Hence, the correction of the capital L in "This is my lord".
Otherwise, why would he point to the sun and say This is my Lord (i.e Allah)?
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Peace warner,
O Lord "ya rab" is used to address Allah in al-qur'aan and as "rab/Lord" in that context refers to Allah, it follows that "ya allah" can be used to address Allah too.
2530 And the messenger said "O Lord (ya rab), my people have deserted this Quran."
4388 And it will be said "O Lord (ya rab), these are a people who do not believe."
Peace
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Peace Samia,
Otherwise, why would he point to the sun and say This is my Lord (i.e Allah)?
Because he thought that the sun was Allah.
When Ibrahim said this is "akbar bigger", he was not referring to God, nor was he referring to the sun", but to " this is my lord, aka the sun".
Abraham could not have used "haaza rabbee" for the sun as "al-shams" is a feminine word. If by "rabbee" he meant the sun then it should have been "haazihee rabbee". Thus both "rabbee" and "akbar" in that phrase refer to Allah and not to the sun.
Tanveer
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Salaam Tanweer
Abraham could not have used "haaza rabbee" for the sun as "al-shams" is a feminine word. If by "rabbee" he meant the sun then it should have been "haazihee rabbee". Thus both "rabbee" and "akbar" in that phrase refer to Allah and not to the sun.
Hatha akbar, means this lord (the sun) is bigger than the previous candidates for a lord (the star and the moon).
Ibrahim came to God by elimination eliminating the "lords" that come and disappear. he was not searching for God in the stars and planets.
676 "When the night covered him with darkness, he saw a star. He said This is my lord. But when it set, he said I do not like those who set.
677 When he saw the moon rising up he said This is my lord. But when it set, he said Unless my lord guides me, I shall surely be among the people who went astray.
678 When he saw the sun rising up, he said This is my lord. This is greater. But when it set, he said O my people! I am innocent of what you take as partners.
679 I have turned my face towards Him who created the heavens and the earth.... -
Peace Samia,
Hatha akbar, means this lord (the sun) is bigger than the previous candidates for a lord (the star and the moon).
You have evaded my point again. This lord CANNOT be referring to the sun because al-shams is a feminine word and if it was referring to the sun it should have been "haazihee rabbee" and not "haaza rabbee". Thus "rabbee" and "akbar" in 678 both refer to Allah and not the sun.
Peace
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Peace Samia,
Hatha akbar, means this lord (the sun) is bigger than the previous candidates for a lord (the star and the moon).
Another point is that the perceived diameter of the Sun and the Moon are the same for a viewer from Earth because of the much greater distance of the Sun than the Moon from Earth. If your false understanding is correct then there is a huge contradiction in al-qur'aan how can Ibrahim perceive the Sun to be bigger than the Moon ??
Please see the following link from Wikipedia
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_diameter
According to the article referenced at the above link, the Sun's angular diameter (perceived size) as seen from Earth is 30' and that of the Moon is 29-33', thus the apparent size of the Moon as seen from the Earth COULD BE SOMETIMES BIGGER THAN THE SUN.
Peace
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peace all,
If you actually look at the way "names" of God are stated in 'al quran', you will not find many such as 678.
Secondly, Abraham's line of thinking was proven incorrect, in 678, thus its questionable whether one should take it as a fact that is a "name" of God.
And lastly, by saying the sun is greater could be referencing its brightness/beauty/function, not just size.
Wakas
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Salaam Tanweer
You have evaded my point again.
No, I did not evade it, but I thought the answer was deductible from my reply The word "lord" is masculine, or at least impersonal, treated as masculine as well.
Another point is that the perceived diameter of the Sun and the Moon are the same for a viewer from Earth
I think it's the general assumption that the sun is bigger than the moon, because you just see a huge ball of light and can't see the limits of the sun itself, so it looks bigger
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Peace warner,
O Lord "ya rab" is used to address Allah in al-qur'aan and as "rab/Lord" in that context refers to Allah, it follows that "ya allah" can be used to address Allah too.
2530 And the messenger said "O Lord (ya rab), my people have deserted this Quran."
4388 And it will be said "O Lord (ya rab), these are a people who do not believe."
Peace
Peace
This is not a sound line of argument.
My point is not a single place in the Quraan (If I am not mistaken) He is addressed directly by His name/s by Man or Malaika.
I was intrigued by this fact. Samias? explanation can be one of the reasons.
Is Allah addressed as Oh/Ya/Ar Rahman or anything similar in the Quraan ?
