Research on the Arabic meanings of Jinn and the Quranic contexts
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ntg, perhaps I was not clear, sorry,
u urself brought up 1736...so wonder why u are having so much trouble answering with a yes/no! -)
..do u verify what u quote?
..or do u blindly believe what they say? -)
I verify by putting 2 and 2 together (please do not take this in the literal sense lol). This is exactly what Abraham did too according to 676-80, and that is what, according to 1736, God asks us to do at least.dont ascribe words to me...u have failed to back up ur assumptions...
...the least u can do is not resort to what u have done for the length of this post! -)
I have not, or at least I think I have not.again...do u verify when u quote somebody?
...or do u blindly quote them...against ur own advice regarding 1736! -)
I already answered this question.And speaking of questions, what's with the "#" sign?
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abraham did not persist in his assumptions... grin
let us know what u edit...helps when replying! -)
??? please read what you just wrote... it sounds strange... I can edit my reply if I like and do not have to let you know. I am not editing your posts buddy. If you have problems with me editing my posts, please talk to the administrator.
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maxq wrote
ntg, perhaps I was not clear, sorry,that's okay...there's always room to clarify! -)
I verify by putting 2 and 2 together (please do not take this in the literal sense lol). This is exactly what Abraham did too according to 676-80,
abraham saw with his own eyes and then corrected himself...
...he did not read what lexicologists and historians say and based his hypotheses on them! -)
...do u agree with that?
and that is what, according to 1736, God asks us to do at least.
...as part of ur research i have seen u quote historians...
so do u verify the information they provide? (the way abraham did...seeing with his own eyes)...
..or do u just quote and believe them? -)
I have not, or at least I think I have not.
cool ...i dint get these words
By your token, the whole world is an illusion and that is something N2Is believe in.
my token? do clarify! -)
If you choose to believe in folklore, that's your choice.
what are my beliefs? -)
I already answered this question.
cool! -)
And speaking of questions, what's with the "#" sign?
number sign! -)
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maxq wrote
please read what you just wrote... it sounds strange... I can edit my reply if I like and do not have to let you know. I am not editing your posts buddy. If you have problems with me editing my posts, please talk to the administrator.ofcourse...u can...but ur edited post gave the impression that u go abraham's way...
...while ur un-edited post did not! -)
it can be a bit misleading to the reader if somebody replies...and the poster edits his/her post later! -)
still...if u are more comfortabe thatway..cool! -)
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Salam maxq and everyone,
I'm also wondering if maybe jannah being translated as garden or paradise is incorrect and a more accurate translation might be a form of "hidden" or "concealed" which would be more consistant with the root. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Salam,
Arnab -
You have a point as far as following lexicons, archeaological finds, and history... I agree with you but if I had certain knowledge of everything, I would not put a disclaimer header in my papers, would I? I verify within the confines of my capabilities.
ofcourse...u can...but ur edited post gave the impression that u go abraham's way...
...while ur un-edited post did not! -)
it can be a bit misleading to the reader if somebody replies...and the poster edits his/her post later! -)
I did not change the content of my posts... only corrected grammatical errors and typos. I had apologized for my earlier posts that in my view were imposing and in my view, scornful.
You mean I do not have the right to correct my typos?
And lolz on the "#" sign reply.
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I agree with you. The "hidden gardens" are "Jannaat-i Adn-in" ... Same thing with "Jannaat-in Tajree min Tahtih al-Anhaar" and "Those Hidden (Gardens) Beneath which Streams Flow".
Salam maxq and everyone,
I'm also wondering if maybe jannah being translated as garden or paradise is incorrect and a more accurate translation might be a form of "hidden" or "concealed" which would be more consistant with the root. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
Salam,
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arnab wrote
I'm also wondering if maybe jannah being translated as garden or paradise is incorrect and a more accurate translation might be a form of "hidden" or "concealed" which would be more consistant with the root. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.that's a thought...what is the root of the word "hajar"? -)
..might help in getting at roots! -)
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maxq wrote
You have a point as far as following lexicons, archeaological finds, and history... I agree with you but if I had certain knowledge of everything, I would not put a disclaimer header in my papers, would I? I verify within the confines of my capabilities.so it basically is an assumption...and i hope u now understand a part of what i meant by being based on assumptions! -)
I did not change the content of my posts... only corrected grammatical errors and typos. I had apologized for my earlier posts that in my view were imposing and in my view, scornful.
while replying, i did not see the part where u mentioned it was the way of abraham...i saw it after i posted a reply! -)
...if u did not edit to add that (part)...and that it already was there...i guess i l offer u apologies and get my eyes examind! -S
You mean I do not have the right to correct my typos?
noooo...u have...werent talking about typos! -)
And lolz on the "#" sign reply.
grin
what about "my token" part? -?
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so it basically is an assumption...and i hope u now understand a part of what i meant by being based on assumptions! -)
I am sorry but it is not the same as assuming. Using different sources to put together a collage is not an assumption. The pieces fit for a reason!
while replying, i did not see the part where u mentioned it was the way of abraham...i saw it after i posted a reply! -)
I corrected my typographical mistakes, speaking of which, everyone makes mistakes. Your ID does not imply you are not prone to error. No need to apologize for being mistaken.
Many thanks buddy; you have raised some very good questions!
Have a happy new year )
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maxq wrote
I am sorry but it is not the same as assuming. Using different sources to put together a collage is not an assumption. The pieces fit for a reason!cool...if thats what u think! -)
..but if i were to collect stuff from different "sources"...the only way i could believe they have any pedagogical significance conerning quran would be to assume that they are worthy of making the quran's text dependent on them! -)
...the assumption ofcourse is that the different sources are accurate! -)
I corrected my typographical mistakes, speaking of which, everyone makes mistakes.
yes! -)
Your ID does not imply you are not prone to error.
lolz to that bro! lolz
No need to apologize for being mistaken.
that's very kind of u! -)
Many thanks buddy;
anytime! -)
you have raised some very good questions!
is 'what about "my token" part?' 1 of them? grin
Have a happy new year
u too chum! -)
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..but if i were to collect stuff from different "sources"...the only way i could believe they have any pedagogical significance conerning quran would be to assume that they are worthy of making the quran's text dependent on them! -)
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Dear Arnab,
I failed to realize something. Sorry for not pointing that out earlier.
For instance in 2370 jannah (jeem nun ta) is most commonly translated as "madness" or "crazy" by translaters
The word used in this verse is not Jannah/Jannatu, but Jinnah/Jinnatu. Further, if we translate it as "there is a 'madness' in him", then the second part of the verse becomes disjoint and unnatural. The second part of the verse speaks of "truth"; it does not say that "the prophet is sane and not a madman".
Logically, the aspect of truth is negating something. Truth does not negate madness, but rather lies and deception. Let us conduct an experiment by changing the context of madness with the context of concealing or hiding
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Do they not comprehend (My) Word? Is Revelation something that never came to their remote forefathers, (Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, and others)?
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Or can (they) not distinguish their Messenger (from shamans and witch-doctors), that they deny (his call)? (Surely they recognize him, and can comprehend My Message, but are they too entrenched in arrogance to admit!)
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Do they assert that in These (Verses) exists a concealed (deception)? No, (they do not The exalted messenger) has come to them with (a Message of) Truth, but many among them find truth distasteful!
Regards,
maxq -
Salam maxq,
Well done and beautifully illustrated!
That was part of the point I was trying to make earlier, but you did it much better. )
The root jeem-nun can't possibly mean madness, garden, an individual entity or species and to cover, hide, conceal.
Since we know that the root jeem-nun is defined as to cover, hide, conceal etc.
we can logically conclude that all variations of the root (with prefixes, infixes, and suffixes) retain some form of the original definition.Salam,
Arnab -
Peace,
Dear Arnab, thank you for your feedback on the article. As for garden.
Jannah comes indeed from the root j-n, and thus refers to something hiding/concealed by barriere as time, distance or position. It is not just merely concealed. This is why it is also used for snakes and insects.
Jannah means Garden hidden by foilage. The ground is concealed by the trees. And is thus a metaphor for our conciousness, as this is the ground, the trees are our deeds, and the fruits are the results. In Jahannam, the kafir have the tree of zaqum, a real existing tree which fruits were so bitter, not even camels ate it. Jahannam was a wastedump of Jerusalem. So this is a metaphor for kafirs, rejecters of Truth's conciousness being like a burning wastedump which fruits of their deeds=tree of zaqum are very bitter to eat.
Why is our conciousness hidden by our deeds as the ground is covered by the trees, Jannah? Well because your Nafs are known through its deeds, and our conciousness is a hidden treasure that has unlimited potentials.
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Peace,
Yes, indeed a good translation. It also makes more sense then....Let's start a new article together based on this knowledge.
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peace everyone
can anyone explain why in 5533 the jinns and humans are mentioned separately?
if jinn is a part of a human, then why would it be mentioned like it's a seperate specie? 5533 O tribes of Jinn and humans...also arnold, what do you think is gonna happen in heaven, jannah, garden... what will we get, what will we do? since you know arabic better then me, i'd like to know what the true translation is since there are so many metaphors.
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Peace,
Nerspi, please read my article again, as I clearly explain that Jinn does NOT have one meaning. It does not refer to one thing, it is a description of an attribute which can be shared by many things. In 5533 it refers to the jinns and ins. So here it refers to the people outside of direct society and the people that are directly in society, and thus refers to the normal people=ins and their rulers=jinns.