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Research on the Arabic meanings of Jinn and the Quranic contexts

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    unknownuser
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    Salam maxq,

    Well done and beautifully illustrated!

    That was part of the point I was trying to make earlier, but you did it much better. )

    The root jeem-nun can't possibly mean madness, garden, an individual entity or species and to cover, hide, conceal.

    Since we know that the root jeem-nun is defined as to cover, hide, conceal etc.
    we can logically conclude that all variations of the root (with prefixes, infixes, and suffixes) retain some form of the original definition.

    Salam,
    Arnab

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      arnoldyasin
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      Peace,

      Dear Arnab, thank you for your feedback on the article. As for garden.

      Jannah comes indeed from the root j-n, and thus refers to something hiding/concealed by barriere as time, distance or position. It is not just merely concealed. This is why it is also used for snakes and insects.

      Jannah means Garden hidden by foilage. The ground is concealed by the trees. And is thus a metaphor for our conciousness, as this is the ground, the trees are our deeds, and the fruits are the results. In Jahannam, the kafir have the tree of zaqum, a real existing tree which fruits were so bitter, not even camels ate it. Jahannam was a wastedump of Jerusalem. So this is a metaphor for kafirs, rejecters of Truth's conciousness being like a burning wastedump which fruits of their deeds=tree of zaqum are very bitter to eat.

      Why is our conciousness hidden by our deeds as the ground is covered by the trees, Jannah? Well because your Nafs are known through its deeds, and our conciousness is a hidden treasure that has unlimited potentials.

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        maxq
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        So based on your interpretation, 315 would be translated as

        lush everlasting existence (hidden thus far,) rewarded from what it was founded on A well-sustained continuum (of good deeds)

        Let me know...

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          arnoldyasin
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          Peace,

          Yes, indeed a good translation. It also makes more sense then....Let's start a new article together based on this knowledge.

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            nerspi
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            peace everyone

            can anyone explain why in 5533 the jinns and humans are mentioned separately?
            if jinn is a part of a human, then why would it be mentioned like it's a seperate specie? 5533 O tribes of Jinn and humans...

            also arnold, what do you think is gonna happen in heaven, jannah, garden... what will we get, what will we do? since you know arabic better then me, i'd like to know what the true translation is since there are so many metaphors.

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              arnoldyasin
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              Peace,

              Nerspi, please read my article again, as I clearly explain that Jinn does NOT have one meaning. It does not refer to one thing, it is a description of an attribute which can be shared by many things. In 5533 it refers to the jinns and ins. So here it refers to the people outside of direct society and the people that are directly in society, and thus refers to the normal people=ins and their rulers=jinns.

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                maxq
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                I am emailing you.

                Peace,

                Yes, indeed a good translation. It also makes more sense then....Let's start a new article together based on this knowledge.

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                  unknownuser
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                  Salam,

                  I just thought I would add the following to subject of the definition of jinn...

                  As we all know Arabic evolved from Aramaic which evolved from Hebrew which goes all the way back to ancient hebrew (there is an excellent ancient hebrew site incidentally at http//www.ancient-hebrew.org )

                  I think that the more we study these languages collectively the more one will realize that they are THE SAME LANGUAGE with different character representations.

                  That being said, here is what jeem-nun is in Hebrew

                  strong's number 01588

                  1. garden, enclosure
                    a. enclosed garden
                  2. (fig. of a bride)
                    b. garden (of plants) n pr loc
                    c. Garden of Eden

                  which is said to be from strong's number 01598 jeem-nun-nun

                  1. to defend, cover, surround
                    a. (Qal) to defend
                    b. (Hiphil) to defend

                  It is my opinion that jeem-nun is the root and jeem-nun-nun springing from that root. As opposed to what Strong?s suggests above.

                  There is strong evidence for the two letter root system as the parent roots in Semitic languages. Which would mean that the three letter roots are child roots and then adopted roots branch off from the child roots (but that?s for another thread).

                  And now for Ancient Hebrew where we can look at the different characters individually

                  Jeem would be represented by a pictograph (hieroglyphic-like) representation of a foot and nun would be a pictograph (heirglyphic-like) picture of a seed

                  I have paraphrased (altered it slightly for this posting) the following from The Ancient Hebrew site http//www.ancient-hebrew.org/34_gan.html

                  Ancient Hebrew # 1060
                  gimel-nun meaning Garden
                  abstact Protection
                  Explaination The pictograph gimel (Arabic would be jeem) is a picture of the foot and means to walk with an extended meaning to gather. The nun is a picture of a sprouting seed. Combined these mean "a gathering of seeds". A garden is a place for growing crops and is often surrounded by a rock wall or hedge to protect it from grazing animals. (eng genesis; beginning; genetics; genome)

                  With this info, maybe the original meaning in Arabic is garden as well?
                  Something to think about, anyway.

                  Salam,
                  Arnab

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                    nerspi
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                    Peace,

                    Nerspi, please read my article again, as I clearly explain that Jinn does NOT have one meaning. It does not refer to one thing, it is a description of an attribute which can be shared by many things. In 5533 it refers to the jinns and ins. So here it refers to the people outside of direct society and the people that are directly in society, and thus refers to the normal people=ins and their rulers=jinns.

                    i didn't know. thanks.

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                      nerspi
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                      salam

                      what about in 2717And Solomon's soldiers were gathered, comprising of humans and Jinn and birds... what does jinn mean here?

                      or 2739 A powerful being from among the Jinn said "I will bring it to you before you rise from your station. For I am strong and trustworthy."

                      also, 2740 And one who had knowledge from the Scripture said "I will bring it to you before you blink."
                      who can bring a throne in a blink of an eye?

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                        arnoldyasin
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                        Peace,

                        Nerspi, I have explained it all in my article. Please stop asking these questions and go read my article, it will explain it all much better as you will then see the big picture that is involved here.

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