State of Israel a Prophecy of the Qur'an?
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is sura 59 referring to the children of israel/jews?
i ask because verse 14 states
"They will not fight you all unless they are in fortified towns, or from behind walls. Their might appears formidable among themselves. You would think that they are united, but their hearts are divided. This is because they are people who do not understand."this is modern day israel!
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Peace All
I would have to disagree. The ayat are timeless
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Peace and greetings,
Dear Boost,
The ayat have a deeper meaning for all times but according to the context they are referring to Jews of a particular period of time i.e prophet's time.
I have found a quote from History of the Christian Church Vol I which gives a description of the signinficance of the first promise/punishment for the Jews mentioned in Quran.
"The awfiul catastrophe of the destruction of the Jewish theocracy must have produced the profoundest sensation among the Christians. . . . It was the greatest calamity of Judaism and a great benefit to Christianity; a refutation of the one, a vindication . . . of the other. It separated them forever. . . . Henceforth the heathen could no longer look upon Christianity as a mere sect of Judaism, but must regard and treat it as a new, peculiar religion. The destruction of Jerusalem, therefore, marks that momentous crisis at which the Christian church as a whole burst forth forever from the chrysalis of Judaism, awoke to a sense of maturity, and in government and worship at once took its independent stand before the world. (History of the Christian Church, Vol. I, pp. 403-404)
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i am the one who suffered so much at torture cell of my own house being radio electrically traumatised and tortured and had these thought and now i have reached it and it is I myself.
Glory be to Allah the Lord of the Worlds.
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sweet nostalgia of my painful past. i am thankful to free minds for making my job easier as i never knew about it that it was i who was the one searching free minds painfully and fearfully.
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The first invasion of Israel was by Nebuchadnezzar.
The second IS Zionist Israel by Rome.( Roman Catholic Church)
Using the Guns of USA(Beast from the Earth, Lamb that speaks like a dragon) -
Comparing the Israel that existed thousands of years ago to this Israel is like comparing apples to oranges.
When the Qur'an is saying 'the children of Israel' It's refering to the ISRAELITES.
Israelites http//i.imgur.com/Akn82xa.gif Israelies.
Israelites http//i.imgur.com/Akn82xa.gif Jews.A Jew is an an adherent of Judaism, and Judaism is definently not an ethnicity or even a nationality- It's a religion started by an Israelite and over the thousands of years that have gone by many people converted to Judaism. Six million European Jews were gased with Zyklon B by Hitler's regime. European Jews have a long history of facing persecution in Europe especially when Christianity took over Europe and turned it into a primitive region. How can people claim that God is 'supporting' the Jews against the evil Arab 'hordes'? It's obvious to me that the reason why an Israel exists today is because of nature and whether you like it or not nature can also decide that Israel can vanish in a matter of seconds. The Ottoman empire lasted a long time before it was destroyed and abolished. Reading the history of the Jews I don't see how God is supporting the Jews anywhere. The Jews have faced a long history of persecution. During operation Badr the Egyptians destroyed about 400 Israeli tanks, killing 908 Israeli soldiers and injuring 2000 Israeli soldiers while Israel only managed to destroy 20 Egyptian tanks while killing 208 Egyptian soldiers. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Badr_(1973) - So much for 'G-d' being on Israels side and all. For anybody who thinks that God is protecting Israel then think again. Israel is like a cow on steroids - And what I mean by that is that Israel is being pumped into with a lot of money from either Europe or the US. The US provides Israel $3 billions of dollars a year meanwhile Germany has given 25 billion euro(http//www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33808.pdf or http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany%E2%80%93Israel_relations) to Israel as 'reparation' for the things that happened during WW2. Also Israel gets a lot of private donations especially from rich European Jews like the Rothschild. The truth is that if it was not for all the funds being pumped into Israel then Israel would fall a long time ago. Money is keeping Israel alive, and not God/Allah. Allah is not even a Zionist, just read the Qur'an. The language, traditions and culture of the Israelites already died out as the people living there were conquered by other tribes that forced their language, religion and traditions on these people(Finally by the Arabs hence Arabization) mainly because it was a way to prevent uprisings. The Palestinian Arabic accent itself is a typical Semitic language, which exhibits vocabulary strata that include words from ancient and modern Middle Eastern (Canaanite, Aramaic, Turkish, Hebrew) and European (Greek, Latin, French, English) languages due to different of factions that conquered which led to the original language of Palestine being mixed with these other languages.
The Qur'an is talking about a Middle-eastern people that existed thousands of years ago and not about a bunch of European/Soviet Jews. As for the wars between Israel and the Arab states; I'm going to say this to avoid details- During the wars between Israel and the Arab States the Arab countries were also fighting against each other. The Arabs in the Gulf for example were trying to overthrow/assassinate Arab politicians like Nasser by funding the 'Egyptian' Muslim brotherhood. Many Arab states had terrible communications and disagreed with each other due to different ideologies. That said- Israel had plenty of advantages because of Jews living in the Arab countries(Most of them were Europeans who escaped their own brethren's attrocities). Israel used these European Jews in the Arab countries to spy on the Arab countries which allowed Israel to coordinate attacks while reducing casualties otherwhise Israel wouldn't exist today.
The prophecies of the Qur'an regarding Palestine has already happened and does not apply to modern ERA anymore. The Qur'an does not support a homeland for the Israelies or the Jews- But rather for the Israelites so tell that to all fake 'sheikhs' that keep claiming that Israel belongs to the Joooooooooooos.
Regardless of what any scripture says- That does not give Israel the right to exist. Religion does NOT prove anything and is not taken seriously anymore for many reasons, and neither should anybody be using scripture when trying to justify the existance of Israel. Palestinians are NATIVE to Palestine and that's a FACT(DNA and History proves it).And don't you think that claiming that todays Israel was created by God/Allah is an insult to God/Allah? You're assuming that God/Allah would establish a homeland(Through ethnic-cleansing, massacres and looting) on a native people's homeland?
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As for the wars between Israel and the Arab states; I'm going to say this to avoid details- During the wars between Israel and the Arab States the Arab countries were also fighting against each other. The Arabs in the Gulf for example were trying to overthrow/assassinate Arab politicians like Nasser by funding the 'Egyptian' Muslim brotherhood. Many Arab states had terrible communications and disagreed with each other due to different ideologies. That said- Israel had plenty of advantages because of Jews living in the Arab countries(Most of them were Europeans who escaped their own brethren's attrocities). Israel used these European Jews in the Arab countries to spy on the Arab countries which allowed Israel to coordinate attacks while reducing casualties otherwhise Israel wouldn't exist today.
Semites killing each others is definitely a consistent theme throughout centuries of human history... nothing new..
Regardless of the names / identity that they invented for themselves.. (Arabs, Jews, Hittites, Mitsraim, Ashur, Babel etc..)
The name keep changing.. but the attitude remain the same..They're the only group of people on earth who (are crazy enough to) came up with the conception of "Holy Book"..
And they're using it for their own benefits... such as claiming the land of other people... massacre.. killing their enemy (stoning, beheading and crucifixion included).. ethnic cleansing etc....And recall when We took your covenant, "Do not shed each other's blood or evict one another from their homes."
And don't you think that claiming that todays Israel was created by God/Allah is an insult to God/Allah? You're assuming that God/Allah would establish a homeland(Through ethnic-cleansing, massacres and looting) on a native people's homeland?
By observing the facts... yes ethnic/races/species cleansing has happened many times in the past.
And given all of the events that has already took place is "In Accordance To God's Will" (Otherwise it will never happened), then the today's Israel was also established in accordance to God's will.Some of the examples of 'cleansing' event were
- Dinosaur extinction
- Neanderthal (The True Native of Middle East & Europe) extinction and assimilation
- Mongol & Turkic invasion, which includes massacre, looting and rapes of Middle Eastern population, caused 80% reduction of the entire middle east population at that time..
So yes.. God has performed massive species / human cleansing quite number of times..
Salam / Peace