My journey to islam
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Peace bro "tanveer",
If there is no code in the Quran protecting the text, we might as well forget about it. Ive asked Ayman and the likes of him many times why theyd believe in the Quran and all i hear is because of the style and how it's written. This cannot be considered proof especially not in this era. Moreover how can anyone with commonsense claim tht such a message is protected and preserved. Tell me bro Tanveer, if you dont believe in code-19 HOW in GOD's name can you say that the Quran or it's message has been protected and preserved? Any religion can claim that its scripture is preserved. The question is "Wheres the beef"? We cannot be on one hand spending day after day rationally interpreting the Quran and on the other outright denying the only thing in todays era which proves its protection i.e. code-19. Honestly to me that is just as ironic as the Sunni/Shia folk claiming the Bible to be wrong yet following every nonsensical OT commandment which aint in Quran. GOD Bless! -
Peace bro Khizar,
The answer is staring in the face in the verse 4153 quoted in your signature !!
This issue has been discussed/debated many times on this forum in other threads and this thread is not appropriate for discussing this. As sis Zerda has rightly remarked that everyone is entitled to their own understandings and the most important thing is belief in The God and the Last Day and doing good deeds.
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Oh yeah, fudge Im good lol.
Anyway, the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear countries like Estonia and Latvia is lifeless people in thick fur coat walking in endless world of snow. Is that true? (Im sure it is not lol)lifeless people.. I'd like to see you in the temp -30C.. how much alive would you look ;D in the winter, especially in extreme cold (-20 and over), the best thing to do is to put your fur coat on and go. As quick as possible, better to use shortcuts, until you reach your destination. But even better to stay home. Roughly from November until March is the winter.
Spring is lovely (April-May). Lots of fresh air, the nature just wakes up from the winter, it is a special season. Makes you wonder about everything. The weather is quite sneaky (I don't know if you can say that about weather, but I'll explain). You think it's warm. You feel like wearing a t-shirt.. But the ground is still a bit icy. So in the shade it is quite cold. Very easy to catch cold.
Summers are nice and warm - +20C...+30C is normal temperature. So you can swim outdoors
I love the weather there as it varies a lot and just when you get bored of it, it changes. -
Peace bro "tanveer",
Peace bro Khizar,
The answer is staring in the face in the verse 4153 quoted in your signature !!
JK- 4153 does NOT BY ITSELF prove the Quran is from GOD by any means. It is because that very statement lies in between the mathematical bounds containing the Quran that it can be considered with high probability as being correct. GOD Bless!
This issue has been discussed/debated many times on this forum in other threads and this thread is not appropriate for discussing this. As sis Zerda has rightly remarked that everyone is entitled to their own understandings and the most important thing is belief in The God and the Last Day and doing good deeds.
JK- If it's just about believing in GOD then as i said why bother about the Quran. This forum mainly argues that the Quran is GOD's Word and ought to be taken as guidance. But to be so there must be something special abt it and you havnt told me what that should be in your opinion. GOD Bless!
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Peace bro Khizar,
What is special about al-qur'aan is ITS MESSAGE and not the actual physical words !! Refer the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13442.msg113166#msg113166
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But to be so there must be something special abt it and you havnt told me what that should be in your opinion.
There definitely is something special about Quran. And If you haven't felt it yet, be patient. God willing, you'll see angel That discovery was very special for me. And from one point I just knew. It's hard to explain it with words, you just have to experience it yourself. Qur'an is very special book, no doubts about that. With or without 19 (which is quite late discovery anyway. what about all these people pefore that? What about Muhammad himself?).
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Most of us have grown through submission.org, and that was a life changing experience,but then we turn back and fire our guns on the very boat which helped us sail through, how strange? Rk gave away his life, and we are benefitting,,,,we must not forget that he was a human being ,,and hence may have made some mistakes , but he gave us a platform to launch ,, this is the sad part of story.,,,,
Zerda!
i do agree with you .,,,, but we must understand that not every mind requires a similar proof, to be convinced about quran,,,,,, for some the language and script would be enough, but for others ,it won't ,
as for me, i did believe in quran, but my last few doubts were only cleared by mathematics,
Even if most of Rk's calculations are prooven to be faulty, i am sure it is protected with sort of something similar, ,,,,,,you and me,,,,, it is our generation who have to work at it.
peace
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Peace
I thouhgt your post siki was very nice and I will consider that also, God willing
Appreciate oyu sharing your words and thoughts
Umm Sara
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Peace and welcome sister Zerda,
Well done to tell us your story in such a detail.
Peace sis Majidah(Maria)
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Peace to al,
I have to agree we owe a bit of thanks to Rashid Khalifa, i knew absolutely nothing about Islam or Quran until I converted, the first time I ever read the Quran was online and at submission org, i didnt even know there was a difference between hadeeth following muslim and us Quran alone at the time, when I read the Quran at submission I converted with tears in my eyes, i knew it was the truth and still is, so I do thank Khailfa, i do not worship him, i do not even really think he is the messenger of Quran as some say he is, i kinda believe in code 19 or at least I believe it could be true because it would be easy for God to do if he wanted to, but im not a mathamatician and im sure if some math genius were to try to tell me the code is wrong i would probably believe him too, bu if he told me the Quran is not from God I would never believe him, no matter how many math codes he uses to prove it.
Kurt