Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah

Mazhar

For urdu readers

Ayisha

Put mouse on this Arabic word which is singular of the plural verb used in the verse, your dictionary will give you this meanings;

respect, venerate, revere.

ok, respect is different to venerate or revere

saints are venerated which raises them to a higher level akin to God.

1 to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2 to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
synonyms see revere

Origin
1615?25; < L venertus, ptp. of venerr to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship, revere,

re?vere
1
?verb (used with object), -vered, -ver?ing.
to regard with respect tinged with awe;

Origin
1655?65; < L reverr, equiv. to re- re- + verr to stand in awe of, fear, feel reverence

This is why this can ONLY mean God.

Raaajah

Awesome

You would look a lot less stupid if the post you just replied to would have contained some sort of argument or refutation. I asked you a simple question, and I do not intend to search through seven pages for something you can sum up in a couple of sentences.

Pro tip Drop the hostility. It makes you look insecure.

Peace

In normal circumstanses your post doesnot need slightest attention, but as Ayisha has agreed to you, therefore let me respond it you once again,
You will find the question to your answer in this thread, how can you address such a lazy person, who doesnot bothers to read the thread and starts asking questions, which have already been answered in the thread.
It is not me, it is Allah who says, that some are blessed more than others.

And who are you to decide who Allah has blessed more

Raaajah

CaptainAwesome for your eyes only

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit.

and if you want to know who is at the higher rank, read the thread please.

Ayisha

CaptainAwesome for your eyes only

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit.

and if you want to know who is at the higher rank, read the thread please.

then based on that we should revere Moses more as God actually spoke to him or Jesus more as God gave him miracles. GOD may have blessed some WITH more things such as actually hearing God speak or being able to perform miracles by God's leave, but it is not saying that WE should because there are numerous verses telling you NOT to distinguish one from another. This is saying that GOD Himself gave some prophets more than others, not that we should raise one to a higher level than others. Being blessed with more FROM GOD does not make one higher, it just means that God gave some more 'blessings' in the form of miracles etc than others.

I have been 'blessed' with 3 kids does that mean I have been 'blessed' to a higher level than those with only 1 or 2? Should those with only 1 or 2 revere me for being 'blessed' with more kids?

To raise Muhammed to a higher level than other prophets is contradictory to those verses that tell you not to distinguish (this is God telling US, not God saying what HE did) one from another. Quran tells you they are all MEN like us, human like us, and warns of what the Christians did with Jesus who was also a man like them but they REVERED him above others and made him into GOD in the flesh.

Raaajah

To raise Muhammed to a higher level than other prophets is contradictory to those verses that tell you not to distinguish....

It only feels contradictory because you have not read the whole thread yet.
But as of know can you or AWESOME deny this word of Allah

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit.

Allah Ho Akbar.

Ayisha

It only feels contradictory because you have not read the whole thread yet.
But as of know can you or AWESOME deny this word of Allah

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit.

Allah Ho Akbar.

You didnt read the rest of my post then?

Ok lets revere Moses and Jesus as they are the ones this verse claims to revere according to you

Honestly, i thought I left Muhammed worshippers behind when I joined this site, its seems they are still alive and fighting while in the disguise of God Aloners

Raaajah

You didnt read the rest of my post then?
Ok lets revere Moses and Jesus as they are the ones this verse claims to revere according to you
Honestly, i thought I left Muhammed worshippers behind when I joined this site, its seems they are still alive and fighting while in the disguise of God Aloners

may Allah give them more courage and stability in their love for the Messenger, to whom Allah calls "Mercy for All"

You have not read the Ayat with open heart and mind, ash, but i read your post.

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit......

Some messengers are more blessed then others, thus your and other Quran aloners claim becomes void.
God spoke to one.. this may be leads us to Musa
And Jesus supported with profound Miracles
But still after mentioning of these two, it says some are raised to higher RANKS.

Who are these for that I told you to read the thread but you won't.

One is offcourse Muhammad is peace is upon him

al-Quran
And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

Allah Ho Akbar

Mazhar

ok, respect is different to venerate or revere

saints are venerated which raises them to a higher level akin to God.

1 to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2 to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
synonyms see revere

Origin
1615?25; < L venertus, ptp. of venerr to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship, revere,

re?vere
1
?verb (used with object), -vered, -ver?ing.
to regard with respect tinged with awe;

Origin
1655?65; < L reverr, equiv. to re- re- + verr to stand in awe of, fear, feel reverence

This is why this can ONLY mean God.

re?vere
(past and past participle re?vered, present participle re?ver?ing, 3rd person present singular re?veres)
transitive verb
treat somebody with admiring respect to regard somebody with admiration and deep respect

Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation.

That is good, that to understand a particular Ayat, if some difficulty arises, due to particles used therein, in determining their type and thus meanings, one should take recourse to other Aayat of Qur'aan or the context itself.

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so that you people may incline yourselves to believe in Allah and the Messenger of Him,

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and so that you people may protectively shield him with dignity and revere him/the Messenger

Had the translators taken care to have first seen the perception and meanings infolded in the Root they might not have attributed the Pronoun to Allah.

Read this part of Ayat with 7157
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Therefore/for reason those who accepted/believed in him and they revered him and helped him

First word for obvious reason can never be construed with reference to Allah. And then is Prefixed Conjunction particle which refers back to the person mentioned earlier. The first word is used for the Messenger in 7157. The verbal noun of verb is , in English its equivalent, near words would be adoration, reverence. When we mention him high and elevated, we don't do it at our own, but to reiterate what Allah has said about him;

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and We have since raised high for you the mention/remembrance/repute of you .

We will never be able to mention him in as dignified a manner as Allah mentions him. And unfortunate are those who do not wish to realize the elevated and exalted position of him.

princess

please follow this url http//store.dar-us-salam.com/G_WallHangings/G02g.html and tell me if that is reverence enough for you?
allah and muhammad cozily right next to each other, hanging on the wall. if one didn't know any better one could say they're equals (at least that's how they're depicted).

'reverence' towards anybody else than god is only the first step, logical sequence is already known to us from the history.

oh, here we omit 'allah' from the big font at all, and for only ?1.99 we can spread idol-worship to your child's school & your own livingroom.
http//www.islamicjewellery.co.uk/popup_image.php?pID=2463&osCsid=65b44668e7ab5bfb72d1edbde6a9111c

in redecorating mood, anyone?

Ayisha

may Allah give them more courage and stability in their love for the Messenger, to whom Allah calls "Mercy for All"

You have not read the Ayat with open heart and mind, ash, but i read your post.

These messengers; we blessed some of them more than others. For
example, GOD spoke to one, and we raised some of them to higher ranks.
And we gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him
with the Holy Spirit......

Some messengers are more blessed then others, thus your and other Quran aloners claim becomes void.
God spoke to one.. this may be leads us to Musa
And Jesus supported with profound Miracles
But still after mentioning of these two, it says some are raised to higher RANKS.

Who are these for that I told you to read the thread but you won't.

One is offcourse Muhammad is peace is upon him

al-Quran
And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.

Allah Ho Akbar

Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with might and main, in Allah's cause, with their goods and their persons, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah they are the people who will achieve (salvation).

And what cause have ye why ye should not spend in the cause of Allah?- For to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth. Not equal among you are those who spent (freely) and fought, before the Victory, (with those who did so later). Those are higher in rank than those who spent (freely) and fought afterwards. But to all has Allah promised a goodly (reward). And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-

So he began (the search) with their baggage, before (he came to) the baggage of his brother at length he brought it out of his brother's baggage. Thus did We plan for Joseph. He could not take his brother by the law of the king except that Allah willed it (so). We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please but over all endued with knowledge is one, the All-Knowing.

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward, Ranks specially bestowed by Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. For Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

So should we also revere these people too? Worship those of higher rank, add them to our prayers, because Allah has also granted them a higher rank than others? should some of us become arrogant and assume we are of higher rank and look down on those who are not? Is that really what Allah is saying in telling you about higher ranks?

Ayisha

please follow this url http//store.dar-us-salam.com/G_WallHangings/G02g.html and tell me if that is reverence enough for you?
allah and muhammad cozily right next to each other, hanging on the wall. if one didn't know any better one could say they're equals (at least that's how they're depicted).

'reverence' towards anybody else than god is only the first step, logical sequence is already known to us from the history.

oh, here we omit 'allah' from the big font at all, and for only ?1.99 we can spread idol-worship to your child's school & your own livingroom.
http//www.islamicjewellery.co.uk/popup_image.php?pID=2463&osCsid=65b44668e7ab5bfb72d1edbde6a9111c

in redecorating mood, anyone?

exactly! and in another 50-100 years people will be worshipping Muhammed as god in the flesh and his spirit will be 'within us' just like Jesus! halleluja!

Stop and correct it NOW before it is too late!

Ayisha

re?vere
(past and past participle re?vered, present participle re?ver?ing, 3rd person present singular re?veres)
transitive verb
treat somebody with admiring respect to regard somebody with admiration and deep respect

Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation.

First word for obvious reason can never be construed with reference to Allah. And then is Prefixed Conjunction particle which refers back to the person mentioned earlier. The first word is used for the Messenger in 7157. The verbal noun of verb is , in English its equivalent, near words would be adoration, reverence. When we mention him high and elevated, we don't do it at our own, but to reiterate what Allah has said about him;

http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/094.%20Ash%20Shrah/94.4.gif
and We have since raised high for you the mention/remembrance/repute of you .

We will never be able to mention him in as dignified a manner as Allah mentions him. And unfortunate are those who do not wish to realize the elevated and exalted position of him.

his position is of higher rank to most men i agree, see my post above, dont elevate him to a higher position as GOD. he was a messenger, no more than that. To imply that those who dont worship and revere a prophet means we dont have respect or love for him is wrong, of course we have respect and love for ALL prophets of God, they were the bearers of His message to us and it is the message that is important, not who brought it.

Mazhar

exactly! and in another 50-100 years people will be worshipping Muhammed as god in the flesh and his spirit will be 'within us' just like Jesus! halleluja!

Stop and correct it NOW before it is too late!

So in the presumptive fear, stop following the instructions to honour and revere. One should first worry for oneself and his household, then bother what people may do 100 years later.

Mazhar

his position is of higher rank to most men i agree, see my post above, dont elevate him to a higher position as GOD. he was a messenger, no more than that. To imply that those who dont worship and revere a prophet means we dont have respect or love for him is wrong, of course we have respect and love for ALL prophets of God, they were the bearers of His message to us and it is the message that is important, not who brought it.

Quota a single instance where I have elevated him to that extent as you are presuming? And red marked is a qualified statement; not most but all. Not a single woman is like the wives of him, as pronounced by Allah, and that is only because they happen to be in his Nikah; what hinders you then to say, of all men. Reverence and worship have no inter relationship.

Ayisha

Quota a single instance where I have elevated him to that extent as you are presuming? And red marked is a qualified statement; not most but all.
All for his time, not all as in ever. Same can be said about Mary, Moses Jesus etc, for their time. You have not elevated him to that extent YET Mazhar but its easy done as you are literally fighting here and now to have him elevated above all, thats how it starts, but nowhere is it ever said to bow to him, prostrate to Allah alone. Maybe its the language thing between u but to me it sounds like you are wanting him to be worshipped and praised, all praise, in this resepct, is for Allah alone 28.70. Praise i can give someone for a job well done is another thing and not what you and Raj are advocating here.

Not a single woman is like the wives of him, as pronounced by Allah, and that is only because they happen to be in his Nikah; what hinders you then to say, of all men. Reverence and worship have no inter relationship.

Again, for their time.

Reverance and worship have no inter relationship but they DO and thats what i'm saying. People revered Jesus for who he was and his message, then reverance becomes distorted into worship and it doesnt take many people or many years for that to happen. I can read the Bible and see that Jesus never agreed he was son of God, he called himself son of man, yet any Christian will see in the same verses that he is the son of God and will fight tooth and nail to convince you the same. Only recently I had this woman telling me Jesus has saved her, she is drunk with his blood and the Holy Spirit and she SEES him etc etc, it was quite scary to be honest -\ telling me muslims are guided by the devil and the best of all that to get to heaven one has only to believe in Jesus, this is not much difference to what you have said about Muhammed and that scares me because I see the same happening in Islam as did in Christianity. Early followers of Jesus didnt worship him and early followers of Muhammed didnt worship him either, he was among them, they loved him yes, but many loved him before his prophethood as he as a good kind honest and trustworthy wise man, which is why he was chosen as the bearer of the message of God.

Mazhar

All for his time, not all as in ever. Same can be said about Mary, Moses Jesus etc, for their time. You have not elevated him to that extent YET Mazhar but its easy done as you are literally fighting here and now to have him elevated above all, thats how it starts, but nowhere is it ever said to bow to him, prostrate to Allah alone. Maybe its the language thing between u but to me it sounds like you are wanting him to be worshipped and praised, all praise, in this resepct, is for Allah alone 28.70. Praise i can give someone for a job well done is another thing and not what you and Raj are advocating here.

Again, for their time.

Reverance and worship have no inter relationship but they DO and thats what i'm saying. People revered Jesus for who he was and his message, then reverance becomes distorted into worship and it doesnt take many people or many years for that to happen. I can read the Bible and see that Jesus never agreed he was son of God, he called himself son of man, yet any Christian will see in the same verses that he is the son of God and will fight tooth and nail to convince you the same. Only recently I had this woman telling me Jesus has saved her, she is drunk with his blood and the Holy Spirit and she SEES him etc etc, it was quite scary to be honest -\ telling me muslims are guided by the devil and the best of all that to get to heaven one has only to believe in Jesus, this is not much difference to what you have said about Muhammed and that scares me because I see the same happening in Islam as did in Christianity. Early followers of Jesus didnt worship him and early followers of Muhammed didnt worship him either, he was among them, they loved him yes, but many loved him before his prophethood as he as a good kind honest and trustworthy wise man, which is why he was chosen as the bearer of the message of God.

Too many words, too many hypothetical assumptions, and unnecessarily equating vastly different words as synonymous or leading to the same.

None "worshipped" the Messenger and none will ever do it, rest assured. Every one very lodudly pronounces the difference, by proclaiming that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. What to say of him, after the departure of his companions who migrated, fought and spent in the cause of Allah in those days, none will be born to have a status/position greater than them. Try to read Qur'aan and find that it covers all the time to come, not the period/duration of that limited period. Accept their greatness, it will help elevate our own selves, since we will be accepting the will and pronouncement of Allah.

Asana

@ Mazhar

you wrote

<<<None "worshipped" the Messenger and none will ever do it, rest assured. Every one very lodudly pronounces the difference, by proclaiming that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.>>>

What would you call it when you testify to the unity of God in your prayer? Would you call it worshipping God or Not?

Please answer in simple way with yes or no.

peace

Asana

Fahad1

Salaam alaikum.

Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah

Rasoolullah can receive 'hamd' but not 'AL-hamd'. 'AL-hamd' is for Allah. This article explains it well

http//field-muslim2.livejournal.com/7360.html

Check it out.

Raaajah

Princess

allah and muhammad cozily right next to each other, hanging on the wall. if one didn't know any better one could say they're equals (at least that's how they're depicted).

That is only your preception, of those, who have disease in their hearts against Rasool Allah.
No one in balanced mind could say the creater, and creation are equal.

For Ayisha I would like to quote MAzhar, as it summarizes the best about her posts
Mazhar

Too many words, too many hypothetical assumptions, and unnecessarily equating vastly different words as synonymous or leading to the same

mazhar

None "worshipped" the Messenger and none will ever do it, rest assured. Every one very lodudly pronounces the difference, by proclaiming that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

Mazhar

Quote a single instance where I have elevated him to that extent as you are presuming?

Same for me