Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah
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The exalted postion of the Messenger has all along history caused many to keep boiling. It is not a new phenomenon.
All along history some people have exalted the prophet Muhammed above other prophets when Allah and Quran tells you we make no distinction among any of them, this has caused many to keep boiling in their persuit to idolize Muhammed above all prophets.
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YUSUFALI That this is verily the word of an honoured messenger;
PICKTHAL That it is indeed the speech of an illustrious messenger.
SHAKIR Most surely, it is the Word brought by an honored Messenger,069.041
YUSUFALI It is not the word of a poet little it is ye believe!
PICKTHAL It is not poet's speech - little is it that ye believe!
SHAKIR And it is not the word of a poet; little is it that you believe;So what is it here you are trying to show Mazhar, that the Quran is the words of Muhammed or that he was an honoured messenger?
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YUSUFALI (This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds.
PICKTHAL It is a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.069.044
YUSUFALI And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
PICKTHAL And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us,
SHAKIR And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings,069.045
YUSUFALI We should certainly seize him by his right hand,
PICKTHAL We assuredly had taken him by the right hand
SHAKIR We would certainly have seized him by the right hand,069.046
YUSUFALI And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart
PICKTHAL And then severed his life-artery,
SHAKIR Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. -
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From what I've gathered, you seem to think that Prophet Muhammed is the most honorable messenger because he was the only prophet sent to the whole humanity. And you back this up with the quranic verse saying that some messengers were more blessed than others, right? These would have been good arguments if there wouldn't have been a verse telling us clearly to not differentiate between them. A quick glance through the thread shows that you have yet to answer this verse directly. Since we know that the Quran doesn't itself... I would love it if you would explain how we can elevate Muhammed over. Other prophets without differentiating.
First I will repeat the argument posted in one of my previous post
Is a prophet who was sent to guide 1,000 people equal to one who sent to guide 30,000 people, or to one sent to guide all of humanity? Let's take an example. Is the teacher of first-grade students equal to a teacher of fourth-grade students? Are the teachers of higher classes equal to professors or university teachers? All belong to the same administration and work under the same general program, their aim being to educate students. Yet, in view of the teacher's knowledge, they are not equal. Each is different from the other according to his learning, ability, and achievement. From the point of view of the aim of prophethood, all the prophets of Allah are equal. However, because of differences in rank and knowledge, they are different.
and to determine thir rank read the following verses
And We have sent you not except as a mercy for all the worlds 21107
If it is been said for any other prophet please show me?
And from the night you shall mediate upon it as you please, perhaps your Lord would grant you to a high rank.
It is specially for Muhammad Peace is upon himand NOW ONE QUESTION TO AYISHA AND CAPTAIN FOR YOU BOTh, and you Can include Princess in it
What was the name Given to the Person by Allah, whose duty was to CONVEY the MEssage?
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This is the distinction and individuality of him that he is the affirmer of all the Messengers of Allah, who were in time and place sent to individual communities. A fact of past gets certified and sanctified and attains legality and force of truth and fact only when it is affirmed by an authority. MazharThe authority doing the affirmation is Allah, Muhammed is a vessel for that message. Jesus also confirmed what was sent before him and so did all other prophets, this is a condition of all prophets, not just Muhammed. Ayesha
Show me where the Messengers of Allah affirmed the messengership of Messengers respectively earlier than them. Except the Last Messenger . Message and Messenger are different even in English. Don't overlap them.
This is because that you wish not to listen to Qur'aan but to your own biases and prejudices against the elevated stature granted by Allah to some.
I am not saying this it is the message of Muhammad . Allah does not certify to us. It is the Messenger who certifies and affirms for us. It is the will of Allah that He will not communicate with us directly but through the chosen and elevated allegiant of Him. We have to listen to him and accept his word which is nothing but accepting the word of Allah. Allah says he, Muhammad has affirmed the Messengers, but you do not wish to accept the simple and plains words of Allah
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No, they falsely slander, he is neither possessed nor a poet, the fact of the matter is that he has come with a Statement of Proven/Absolute Fact
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and he/Muhammad has affirmed/sanctified The MessengersAs-Safaat
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Show me where the Messengers of Allah affirmed the messengership of Messengers respectively earlier than them. Except the Last Messenger .
All messengers of Allah confirmed the earlier ones.Jesus confimed the Law of Moses 5.46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him We sent him the Gospel therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
Jesus even confirmed the future messenger Muhammed as well as confirming that which had come before him.
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YUSUFALI And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"Mohammed confirms what was before Quran 5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
They all did according to the covenant with God.
Message and Messenger are different even in English. Don't overlap them.
i didn'tand he/Muhammad has affirmed/sanctified The Messengers
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YUSUFALI Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said "We agree." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." -
Jesus even confirmed the future messenger Muhammed as well as confirming that which had come before him.
No one confirms, meaning authenticates, the future. Only past is certified and authenticated and sanctified. One gives the news about the future. And this too is the distinction of the Last Messenger that his arrival was pronounced with qualification that he will be the only one after Easa alahissalam in the line of Messengers, much before his physical appearance in temporal world.
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YUSUFALI Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said "We agree." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."At the moment without going into the details that he missed much to bring in the translation what is stated in the Arabic text, since he more or less kept relying on Urdu translations, just notice there is singular Messenger mentioned. In fact Arabic test says "That Messenger who is the affirmer of that which was with you all". And Yusuf and others little care to refer to timings and gaps mentioned in the Arabic text. And also naively incorrectly translate "I give you a Book and Wisdom", by ignoring the preposition and converting indefinite nouns used therein into definite nouns by using the capital letters.
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Ayesha, you again missed this in all your quotes, please reread those verses, where one is affirming all the earlier Messengers.
Mazhar, if i confirm that I believe in the book Romeo and Juliet I am also by default confirming I believe William Shakespeare wrote that book
Jesus did not confirm the Law and then not confirm Moses was given that law, he confirmed the Law and by defaut is confirming the messenger of that law which is Moses whether he names him or not. All prophets confirmed what was before and by default also confirmed the messengers of those messages.
I have been wondering if this problem has anything to do with the caste system you and raj have been raised in and still have that you need to raise Muhammed above any other prophet because he was given Quran or was last? I dont mean to be rude when I say that either so please don't take offense, none is meant.
In fact Arabic test says "That Messenger who is the affirmer of that which was with you all".
so he confirms that which is with us, the parts of the message sent with previous prophets, and not the messengers now? ???i am getting dizzy now.
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Mazhar, if i confirm that I believe in the book Romeo and Juliet I am also by default confirming I believe William Shakespeare wrote that book
Jesus did not confirm the Law and then not confirm Moses was given that law, he confirmed the Law and by defaut is confirming the messenger of that law which is Moses whether he names him or not. All prophets confirmed what was before and by default also confirmed the messengers of those messages.
I have been wondering if this problem has anything to do with the caste system you and raj have been raised in and still have that you need to raise Muhammed above any other prophet because he was given Quran or was last? I dont mean to be rude when I say that either so please don't take offense, none is meant.
so he confirms that which is with us, the parts of the message sent with previous prophets, and not the messengers now? ???i am getting dizzy now.
take some pills and have nice sleep !
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In fact Arabic test says "That Messenger who is the affirmer of that which was with you all".
so he confirms that which is with us, the parts of the message sent with previous prophets, and not the messengers now?Why you take wherever word "you" occurs it means us. The address is to the chosen persons of Allah. The one who comes at the end only he can affirm all the earlier ones. And the second but last gave the advance news of coming of the last one.
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Srange! A Judge of the Superior Courts of Pakistan and USA is a Judge all the time, notwithstanding where is he at a given point in time. But the Messenger of Allah is not the Messenger 24 hours a day!!!
you mean that a judge of a court of Pakistan can constitute a court anytime, anywhere , any country and start dishing out judgments?
He is a judge, only when he is presiding in a court on cases allocated to him by competent authorities. He cannot act as a judge where ever he wills, like for example, he cant bust into my house uninvited for dishing out judgments ,when me and my wife are disputing.
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you mean that a judge of a court of Pakistan can constitute a court anytime, anywhere , any country and start dishing out judgments?
He is a judge, only when he is presiding in a court on cases allocated to him by competent authorities. He cannot act as a judge where ever he wills, like for example, he cant bust into my house uninvited for dishing out judgments ,when me and my wife are disputing.
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Judge of superior court is all the time Judge in his respective country and not only for that duration when he formally sits in a Court Room. Judges don't do such stupid things of entering into your house.
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and now if you are awaken from the pills afridi gave you, and if you are not angry with me, may I ask again?
and NOW ONE QUESTION TO AYISHA AND CAPTAIN FOR YOU BOTh, and you Can include Princess in it
What was the name Given to the Person by Allah, whose duty was to CONVEY the MEssage?
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Judge of superior court is all the time Judge in his respective country and not only for that duration when he formally sits in a Court Room. Judges don't do such stupid things of entering into your house.
you mean that he can act as a judge even when he is out of his office/court?
siki
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you mean that he can act as a judge even when he is out of his office/court?
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So long he is the serving judge, he is called Mr. Justice all the twenty four hours. He does not become Mr. A or Mr. B when he is not sitting in the Court administering formal justice. After retirement "Mr. Justice" remains the part of his name.
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so does this judge have a boss, a superior incase he is wrong?
Yes, there is the Supreme Court. But a single Judge of the Superior Court cannot hear against the Judgement of a single judge of the lower court. There has to be a bench of two Judges. And interestingly there is no appeal or court where a complaint against the word of the Messenger could be filed. The word of the Messenger is the word of Allah, hence there is no contradiction; that is why it is said, "Accept the word of Allah and accept the word of the Messenger of Allah". This is because the Messenger orally and in writing narrates and communicates only the word of Allah-verbatum, syllable by syllable. Whoever accepts the word of the Messenger in fact accepts the Kalam/hadith of Allah, since hadith/kalam exists before it becomes the Qaul of the Messenger.
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The word of the Messenger is the word of Allah, hence there is no contradiction; that is why it is said, "Accept the word of Allah and accept the word of the Messenger of Allah". This is because the Messenger orally and in writing narrates and communicates only the word of Allah-verbatum, syllable by syllable. Whoever accepts the word of the Messenger in fact accepts the Kalam/hadith of Allah, since hadith/kalam exists before it becomes the Qaul of the Messenger.
Ok, so are you saying everything the messenger said comes from Allah or just what is in Quran? How about whoever accepts the word of Allah in fact accepts the word of the messenger? Sorry but Allah is first and foremost and its His words that are in Quran as far as i'm concerned but if you wish to keep trying to prove Allah and Muhammed are more or less ONE then carry on.