Praise Be to Muhammad rasool Allah

Ayisha

Ayisha
Just move back to those three Ayats, and show me to whom these are addressing, to Muhammad peace is upon him or any other? I will not allow you to get off track this time. I think the discussion is on interesting turn, therefore Just answer it, rather running away.

If you find difficult to find the Chapter numbers, I can help you, here
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You are getting off track making false accusations. Show me where I have said they are not addressing Muhammed, I have not and I have clearly asked you questions relating to those verses, now please answer them as you claimed you could, otherwise stop going round in circles and running in all directions as you keep doing.

Raaajah

Ayisha

You are getting off track making false accusations. Show me where I have said they are not addressing Muhammed,..

Therefore you agree that these Ayats are addressing Muhammad peace is upon him. Allah Ho Akbar.
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We leave the discussion at this point for a moment and lets go back to your Questions, the questions which are raised due to ignorance about Allah's book,

Ayisha

Does Muhammed go to Mars, Venus, Pluto and other 'worlds' to preach the message?
3.108, does this verse mean that Allah wants Muhammed to go and recite His words to other planets?
3.96 is the House built at mecca (Bacca) also on other planets as it says its for 'the worlds' too or do the aliens from other worlds visit earth to do hajj?
6.90, 12104, Quran is a reminder for 'the worlds' so do they read it in Arabic or is it translated into Martian, Venusian etc for them?

Your basic question here seems to be that "Are there any other worlds" despite we live in?
The answer is Yes, according to Quran.

Praise be to Allah, the Rab of all the worlds/b] 12

and this Allah who is Rab of All the worlds sends different Messengers, including Muhammad (not all messengers), to all the worlds,

And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.
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But I know for a lady of your "caliber" this would not be enough.

Say "If all the humans and the Jinn were to gather to bring a Quran like this, they could not come with its like, even if they were helping one another."

Yet another proof that the book of Allah send to Messenger Muhammad is not only for Humans living in this world, but for another Creatures too.

And from among His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the creatures He spread in them. And He is able to summon them, if He wills.

again proves that there are Allah's creatures living other than Earth.

Say No one in the heavens and the earth knows the unseen but Allah; and they do not know when they shall be raised.

Off course, angels are not referred to here as they will not be raised.

and Now Ayisha, only a non believer can reject what I am going to show you

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Allah who created seven worlds and the same number of earths. The commands flow among them. This is to let you know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge. 6512

Now after these very clear Ayats, one who has eyes to see and ears to listen and mind to ponder, can arrive very safely at the Conclusion, that Messengers and Messages could be for different worlds at the same time, it is only that we cannot perceive. Therefore those some Messengers, including Muhammad peace is upon him were signs for all the worlds.
Now read it with cool mind, take your time, then respond,
Because if some messengers were for all worlds, then why Muhammad peace is upon him is above them all? I still have to answer that from Quran.

Mazhar

AOA Mazhar
Sorry most of your points have been beyond my comprehension. HoweverI did agree initially about your insertion about the part time messanger but once the explanations of the original point were stated it became clear what the author meant. I think it would have been sesensible to accept its merits. For whislt the judge will always retain the title of a judge, even after he/she has departed this world. He /she cannot continue to perform the duties of a judge.

Unless you point out what point is beyond your comprehension, I can't explain it to make it understanable. Once a Messenger, he is always to be remembered and mentioned as Messenger. We all know they are dead. So Allah also knew they are dead. But still he never forgets to call them Messenger. Does He not know they are not now performing the duty of a Messenger?

Ayisha

Ayisha
Therefore you agree that these Ayats are addressing Muhammad peace is upon him. Allah Ho Akbar.
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We leave the discussion at this point for a moment and lets go back to your Questions, the questions which are raised due to ignorance about Allah's book,

Ayisha
Your basic question here seems to be that "Are there any other worlds" despite we live in?
The answer is Yes, according to Quran.
lets stop right there raj. NO that is not my basic question and anyone with half a braincell can see that I have NAMED those other 'worlds' so if I NAME those other worlds how would my basic question be 'are there any other worlds'? )

Go back and start again, please READ what i have asked before answering this time and please go find a braincell to borrow if yours is in the laundry )

Raaajah

You are cure-less Ayisha,

Ayisha

...I have clearly asked you questions relating to those verses...

Does Muhammed go to Mars, Venus, Pluto and other 'worlds' to preach the message?
3.108, does this verse mean that Allah wants Muhammed to go and recite His words to other planets?
3.96 is the House built at mecca (Bacca) also on other planets as it says its for 'the worlds' too or do the aliens from other worlds visit earth to do hajj?
6.90, 12104, Quran is a reminder for 'the worlds' so do they read it in Arabic or is it translated into Martian, Venusian etc for them?

Yes, there are other Worlds, and Muhammad Peace is upon him was a messenger for all the worlds and not only for our earth. And sufficient proves are provided in above post from Quran.

Now stop acting as a coward and start acting like a brave women. I told you your tricks will not be allowed this time.

Ayisha

lets stop right there raj. NO that is not my basic question and anyone with half a braincell can see that I have NAMED those other 'worlds' so if I NAME those other worlds how would my basic question be 'are there any other worlds'?

I will not respond to your ad-hominums.
The worlds you mentioned have no Life and creatures, as of the research carried out till now. And Quran is talking far ahead then that. To you this is purely something new, you cannot think besides Mars, Pluto etc. Allah is Rab of all the Worlds and sends Messenger to all the worlds, but for that you have to be a believer that there are other Worlds with life and living creatures that will be raised from death, and those who even combine with Humans cannot bring forward a Book alike of the Book of Allah.

Raaajah

There are worlds besides our world and Allah's commands are flowing there,

Allah who created seven heavens and the same number of earths. The commands flow among them. This is to let you know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge. 6512

the command flows among all those worlds through Allah's Messengers

And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.

And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who wished to hear the Qur'an and, when they were in its presence, said Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people, warning.
They said, "O our people, we have heard a book that was revealed after Moses, and confirms the previous scriptures. It guides to the truth; to the right path.

These Ayats confirm that Muhammad or any Messenger who is for all Worlds do not need to go to Mars, Pluto or else where, the other creatures might come to them. And it also confirms that Jinns saying after "Musa", means that not All messengers were for all the worlds.

Allah makes it clear for believers but for disbelievers it is another story.

Raaajah

So Ayisha,

Shall we move forward? Do you agree that different Messengers including Muhammad Peace is upon him was for all the worlds and in fact the Worlds exist according to Quran, with living creatures in it.

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Peace be upon you,

For those who still consider that in verse 12 means "worlds", please ponder on this verse 2943 where is given a definition and is refering to those who use their minds to understand (&#1604.

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Note also that the difference in the fifth lettre ( and )of both words is due to the fact that in 12 the word is in the position of "muthaf ilayh" , while in 2949 it is in the position of the subject.

Ayisha

You are cure-less Ayisha,

Ayisha
Yes, there are other Worlds, and Muhammad Peace is upon him was a messenger for all the worlds and not only for our earth. And sufficient proves are provided in above post from Quran.
The question was NOT 'are there other worlds', cant you read Raj or are you just dancing to ignore my questions?

Does Muhammed go to Mars, Venus, Pluto and other 'worlds' to preach the message? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
3.108, does this verse mean that Allah wants Muhammed to go and recite His words to other planets? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
3.96 is the House built at mecca (Bacca) also on other planets as it says its for 'the worlds' too or do the aliens from other worlds visit earth to do hajj? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
6.90, 12104, Quran is a reminder for 'the worlds' so do they read it in Arabic or is it translated into Martian, Venusian etc for them? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds

Now stop acting as a coward and start acting like a brave women. I told you your tricks will not be allowed this time.
You leave me no alternative to believe you cannot read, are totally stupid and cannot answer the questions.

AyishaI will not respond to your ad-hominums.
what is ad-hominums ???

The worlds you mentioned have no Life and creatures, as of the research carried out till now. And Quran is talking far ahead then that.

Ok so answer my questions! If he was for 'all the worlds' (a was Quran, Mary, Jesus) are you now saying that in the future when life is found that Muhammed will pop up there with Quran, Mary and Jesus?

To you this is purely something new, you cannot think besides Mars, Pluto etc. Allah is Rab of all the Worlds and sends Messenger to all the worlds, but for that you have to be a believer that there are other Worlds with life and living creatures that will be raised from death, and those who even combine with Humans cannot bring forward a Book alike of the Book of Allah.
ok so now you do beleive in life on other planets and Muhammed is a messenger to them, so answer my questions. I KNOw Allah is Rabb of all the worlds, He made them all. I did ask you to apply a little logic when answering my questions, I can see that you didnt even apply any to reading them.

Ayisha

There are worlds besides our world and Allah's commands are flowing there,

Allah who created seven heavens and the same number of earths. The commands flow among them. This is to let you know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge. 6512
Yes I KNOW that raj, my question WAS NOT are there other worlds. Do you understand that much? say yes if you understand that much.

the command flows among all those worlds through Allah's Messengers
really? o

And We have not sent you except as a mercy to the worlds.

And when We inclined toward thee (Muhammad) certain of the jinn, who wished to hear the Qur'an and, when they were in its presence, said Give ear! and, when it was finished, turned back to their people, warning.
They said, "O our people, we have heard a book that was revealed after Moses, and confirms the previous scriptures. It guides to the truth; to the right path.

These Ayats confirm that Muhammad or any Messenger who is for all Worlds do not need to go to Mars, Pluto or else where, the other creatures might come to them. And it also confirms that Jinns saying after "Musa", means that not All messengers were for all the worlds.
Did you read the ayat before putting your fingers on the keyboard raj?
So Aliens are coming to the messengers? This is your answer to all the questions i raised is it?

Allah makes it clear for believers but for disbelievers it is another story.

Yes thats true, some of us he blessed with common sense and logic, others obviously not.

Ayisha

So Ayisha,

Shall we move forward? Do you agree that different Messengers including Muhammad Peace is upon him was for all the worlds and in fact the Worlds exist according to Quran, with living creatures in it.

wow we have moved forward have we? Now you agree that there were other messengers sent 'for all the worlds' and not just Muhammed as you first claimed, well done raj. How did we get worlds with living creatures on them though when you previously said there were no creatures based on findings to now? Have you now decided there must be to match what you are trying to claim?

now maybe you can answer the first lot of questions one by one that i raised relating to your 3 ayat, thank you.

Ayisha

There are worlds besides our world and Allah's commands are flowing there,

Allah who created seven heavens and the same number of earths. The commands flow among them. This is to let you know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge. 6512
raj, Allah did not create 7 Earths. Where are you getting your rediculous illogical translations from? rotfl

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rotfl

Peace, Sis, i hope you don't mind me interrupting, but i'd refrain from 'abusing' that 'gesture'--let's not stoop to such methods. no need to ridicule other people, even if they're already ridiculous. )

Ayisha

Peace, Sis, i hope you don't mind me interrupting, but i'd refrain from 'abusing' that 'gesture'--let's not stoop to such methods. no need to ridicule other people, even if they're already ridiculous. )

Peace bro, interrupt as much as you like, i would be glad of some sane company, even you. ;D

You are right though, and I know that, just sometimes its like brickwall brickwall then something that is so ridiculous just makes you go from tearing your hair out to laughing

Mazhar

raj, Allah did not create 7 Earths. Where are you getting your rediculous illogical translations from? rotfl

You said you "read Qur'aan in English". Here Raajah also seems to have only seen it in English and not Arabic Qur'aan. He seems to have read here
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YUSUFALI Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.
PICKTHAL Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly, that ye may know that Allah is Able to do all things, and that Allah surroundeth all things in knowledge.
SHAKIR Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them; the decree continues to descend among them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah indeed encompasses all things in (His) knowledge.
Progressive Muslims 6512 God who created seven heavens and the same number of Earths. His command descends between them, that you may know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge.

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Allah is the One Who has created seven Skies and in the Earth like of those .

Surat-65

Ayisha

You said you "read Qur'aan in English". Here Raajah also seems to have only seen it in English and not Arabic Qur'aan. He seems to have read here
Then I wonder at his understanding ofthe verse in choosing that particular translation or whether there was some ulterior motive behind it.

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YUSUFALI Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.
that one makes sense in that its not saying 7 earths but relating to firmaments

PICKTHAL Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly, that ye may know that Allah is Able to do all things, and that Allah surroundeth all things in knowledge.
same, one earth seven bits

SHAKIR Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them; the decree continues to descend among them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah indeed encompasses all things in (His) knowledge.
same

Progressive Muslims 6512 God who created seven heavens and the same number of Earths. His command descends between them, that you may know that God is capable of all things, and that God has encompassed all things with His knowledge.
very misleading and i disagree with this.

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Allah is the One Who has created seven Skies and in the Earth like of those .
I agree with yours as you have understood there are not 7 earths but seven 'layers' of the one earth

Maybe you need to explain to Raj about what the translation he has chosen means, I doubt he will understand the 7 heavens and layers of the ONE earth. Obviously I had not looked at the PM translation and my objection shows that.

Mazhar

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YUSUFALI Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge.
that one makes sense in that its not saying 7 earths but relating to firmaments

There is no mention of Firmament or Successive Layers in Arabic text here, and the word Skies does not mean firmaments.

And for explanation purposes I have put the information quoted elsewhere in the parentheses as to how One Sky was stretched into seven layers-one above the other. And there is a preposition in the Arabic Text of the Ayat before the word "Earth" which reminds the reader/listener to locate or recall how Skies were formed. Preposition "Min" tells us Earth was stretched downwards into seven layers in the like manner of Skies.

Raaajah

Ayisha

what is ad-hominums

It was ad hominems, well this is the only thing you are good at, to point out spelling mistakes. Thank you.

Regarding your issue with translation of earth being in equal numbers

Ayisha

raj, Allah did not create 7 Earths. Where are you getting your rediculous illogical translations from?

Can you show me a single verse for your big mouthing "Allah did not create 7 earths".
And it is ridiculous.

But later on when you understood your non sense

Ayisha

Then I wonder at his understanding ofthe verse in choosing that particular translation or whether there was some ulterior motive behind it.

and at last to Mazhar

I agree with yours as you have understood there are not 7 earths but seven 'layers' of the one earth

First of all, that does not makes any difference, in the conversation going on, weather their are 7 earths or not, still their are many worlds, with life in it according to Quran.
Second if you have any prove that their are is no other Earth alike in the Universe, please inform me.
Thirdly you can just show me a Ayat, that Allah has not or cannot create 7 earths, as you claim above.

Ayisha

Does Muhammed go to Mars, Venus, Pluto and other 'worlds' to preach the message? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
3.108, does this verse mean that Allah wants Muhammed to go and recite His words to other planets? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
3.96 is the House built at mecca (Bacca) also on other planets as it says its for 'the worlds' too or do the aliens from other worlds visit earth to do hajj? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds
6.90, 12104, Quran is a reminder for 'the worlds' so do they read it in Arabic or is it translated into Martian, Venusian etc for them? does this say 'are there other worlds? NO it asks ABOUT those other worlds

Are you serious? I think I should have not commented to this senseless repetition of yours, but since you are trying to mock Allah's Ayats, I had to.

I have clearly told you from the book of Allah, Yes there are other worlds, with Life in it. Various Ayats posted above are prove for that. And for the living creatures in these Worlds, Allah sends, his Message, and surely through Messengers, Also proven through Quran in previous posts. Allah Inspires Jinn to listen the Quran, therefore, these others creatures might come to messengers or Messengers may go to them. It is that You or I cannot perceive.
Your and mine knowledge depends on scientific discoveries regarding, moon, and few other planets, but that is not All the worlds of Allah.
Since you agree that Other Worlds exist, then from Quran you must also believe that in these other worlds, the Command of Allah flows, How is not for me and you to comprehend, but surely through messengers.

Ayisha

wow we have moved forward have we? Now you agree that there were other messengers sent 'for all the worlds' and not just Muhammed as you first claimed, well done raj

Can you show me, where did I said, not other messengers are sent for all the worlds? It is just because you don't read what others write.

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and this Allah who is Rab of All the worlds sends different Messengers, including Muhammad (not all messengers), to all the worlds,

Now when he sends different Messengers for all the Worlds, then Why Muhammad is preferred in eyes of Allah, over others,

Allah took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

and in the very next Ayat Allah Warns

Those who reject this are the evil ones.

and to further of your dismay Allah tells us in 5710

None from amongst you, the living people, is equal with the one who spent before the conquest and confronted war; than all the people who spent afterwards in time and space and confronted war.
And/though for each and every believer is an appropriate/proportionate promise of Allah.
And Allah is informed/aware of all what acts you are doing.

Therefore with grace of Allah, I have proved with Quranic evidence the following

Messengers are not ordinary human beings
They should be respected and honored
They are not mere post men/part time messengers
The message of Allah, cannot be send through a Donkey
Allah prefers some Messengers over others
Muhammad peace is upon him is the most preferred Messenger in eyes of Allah, in all the messengers he has mentioned in Quran.
However we(believers) should not make any distinction among the Messengers.

And during a part of the night wake up for its recitation - a supererogatory service for thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to an exalted station.

The promise of Allah cannot be false.

We exalted you to an honorable position.

And We have raised your remembrance
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Praise be to Allah

Mazhar

The message of Allah, cannot be send through a Donkey

Evidence?

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And We did not send before you, the Messenger , except men, to whom We communicated
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from the residents of the cities.

Surat-12

Ayisha

Ayisha
It was ad hominems, well this is the only thing you are good at, to point out spelling mistakes. Thank you.

Regarding your issue with translation of earth being in equal numbers

Ayisha
Can you show me a single verse for your big mouthing "Allah did not create 7 earths".
And it is ridiculous.
No, I cant find one saying we can use computers or mobile phones either, can you?

But later on when you understood your non sense
no when I understood yours.

and at last to Mazhar
First of all, that does not makes any difference, in the conversation going on, weather their are 7 earths or not, still their are many worlds, with life in it according to Quran.
sorry did I miss the verse saying there IS life on other planets? You claimed before there wasnt.

Second if you have any prove that their are is no other Earth alike in the Universe, please inform me.
Thirdly you can just show me a Ayat, that Allah has not or cannot create 7 earths, as you claim above.
someone needs to explain things to you but i am out of explanations on this 'deep' subject of aliens and 7 earths.

Ayisha
Are you serious? I think I should have not commented to this senseless repetition of yours, but since you are trying to mock Allah's Ayats, I had to.
i am not mocking and I would still like answers but I wont hold my breath

I have clearly told you from the book of Allah, Yes there are other worlds, with Life in it. Various Ayats posted above are prove for that.

Where do they say there is life on them? I have not disputed that there are other worlds, I keep telling you that

And for the living creatures in these Worlds, Allah sends, his Message, and surely through Messengers, Also proven through Quran in previous posts. Allah Inspires Jinn to listen the Quran, therefore, these others creatures might come to messengers or Messengers may go to them. It is that You or I cannot perceive.
In other words you are inventing things and babbling and you really have no idea at all.

Your and mine knowledge depends on scientific discoveries regarding, moon, and few other planets, but that is not All the worlds of Allah.
i know its not

Since you agree that Other Worlds exist, then from Quran you must also believe that in these other worlds, the Command of Allah flows, How is not for me and you to comprehend, but surely through messengers.
no not through messengers but through the command of Allah. If there is no apparent life form on these planets that speaks arabic then not much point in Muhammed visiting, if thats what you claim he did/does, which is why I asked about language in my question you cant answer

Ayisha
Can you show me, where did I said, not other messengers are sent for all the worlds? It is just because you don't read what others write.
you have claimed that for pages and pages not the Muhammed is THE GREATEST AND BEST because he AlONE was sent to all 'the worlds', now are you changing your mind?

Now when he sends different Messengers for all the Worlds, then Why Muhammad is preferred in eyes of Allah, over others,

Allah took a covenant from the prophets, saying, "I will give you the scripture and wisdom. Afterwards, a messenger will come to confirm all existing scriptures. You shall believe in him and support him." He said, "Do you agree with this, and pledge to fulfill this covenant?" They said, "We agree." He said, "You have thus borne witness, and I bear witness along with you."

and in the very next Ayat Allah Warns

Those who reject this are the evil ones.
which word means Allah preferred Muhammed over all his messengers?

and to further of your dismay Allah tells us in 5710
i am not dismayed at any of Allahs words, just by some peoples translations and understanding of them

None from amongst you, the living people, is equal with the one who spent before the conquest and confronted war; than all the people who spent afterwards in time and space and confronted war.
And/though for each and every believer is an appropriate/proportionate promise of Allah.
And Allah is informed/aware of all what acts you are doing.

So this is not to do with spending in the cause of Allah or fighting in the cause of Allah then? Please explain why this verse makes Muahmmed 'prefered' over all other messengers.

Therefore with grace of Allah, I have proved with Quranic evidence the following

Messengers are not ordinary human beings
They should be respected and honored
They are not mere post men
The message of Allah, cannot be send through a Donkey
Allah prefers some Messengers over others
Muhammad peace is upon him is the most preferred Messenger in eyes of Allah, in all the messengers he has mentioned in Quran.
However we(believers) should not make any distinction among the Messengers.

well raj if you think you really have proved all that then well done! However, how can you say in one sentence that WE should praise Muhammed as he is most prefered over all messengers but then finally agree WE should not make any distinction among them, you are contradicting yourself yet again.

And during a part of the night wake up for its recitation - a supererogatory service for thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to an exalted station.

Is that directed ONLY for Muhammed or is it for all of us?

The promise of Allah cannot be false.
i have never said it could be

We exalted you to an honorable position.

And We have raised your remembrance
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Praise be to Allah

hallelujah!